NotHereToPlayGames Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, msfntor said: You wrote: "v13.5 locks up on my computer the first launch every morning" - never seen here, all is OK. (In which machine? Maybe it's time to go back to x86 SP2, please)... On ALL of my machines! From a single-core Sempron 3100+ running x86 SP2 (I currently have Win 2000 on it but still hunting for drivers) to two Core 2 Duo's both on x86 SP3 to one Core 2 Quad on Win10-LTSB/Win7/XP-SP3 triple-boot to one i7-4770 on XP x64. But it's not "every" morning - but 1 morning in 5 is waaaayy toooo much! Especially when v11 does everything I've ever asked it to do! Edited November 24, 2021 by NotHereToPlayGames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 30 minutes ago, Mathwiz said: but which Chromium is v13.5 based on? v13 build 2206 (my v13), v13 build 2250 (Humming Owl's v13), and v13.5 build 1030 (and I assume build 1060) are all the same exact Chromium engine => Chromium 86.0.4240.198. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msfntor Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 "P2P sharing eating into your upload bandwidth and slowing down your network connection." Could you disable Peer-to-Peer (P2P) in v13.5, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, msfntor said: "P2P sharing eating into your upload bandwidth and slowing down your network connection." Where are you seeing this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msfntor Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Where are you seeing this from? Here: https://www.pcworld.com/article/422829/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-using-your-pcs-bandwidth-to-update-strangers-systems.html All Peer To Peer is enabled in the browser: https://html5test.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msfntor Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) Sun Java Plug-in is installed in v13.5 - why would I need this one? Could you delete it, please? Look browserspy.dk/plugs.php BETTER browserspy.dk test: http://browserspy.dk/java.php NO problem. Edited November 25, 2021 by msfntor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/23/2021 at 12:48 PM, XPerceniol said: Heck, if I remove the skins, I could live with this bare basic and its faster but no colors. Just your en_skin.srx / iframe.srx / skin.srx only below. Here's a comparison of en_skin / iframe / skin (which I'm calling "skinless") to dark theme to xp theme. These are GUI Load Times as timed by PassMark AppTimer - timed twelve GUI load times per theme. The only thing I'd really conclude definitively is that a dark theme INCREASES your GUI load time. The XP Theme was the only skin that didn't have its slowest load times above 0.5 seconds. I suspect that if I ran 100 instead of just 12 that "skinless" and "XP" would basically diverge into a dead-heat tie but that "dark" would still come in dead last. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, msfntor said: Here: https://www.pcworld.com/article/422829/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-using-your-pcs-bandwidth-to-update-strangers-systems.html All Peer To Peer is enabled in the browser: https://html5test.com/ "Enabled" and "leaking/active" are two different things. Do we have a way to test if P2P connections are being made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, msfntor said: Sun Java Plug-in is installed in v13.5 - why would I need this one? Could you delete it, please? Look http://browserspy.dk/plugs.php It's not installed according to here -- https://www.math.uh.edu/mathonline/JavaTest/JavaTestPage.htm (this test in v11 where browserspy incorrectly claims java is installed, when I close v11 then I will test again in v13.5). edit: same thing in v13.5... browserspy claims it is installed, the JavaTestPage says it is not... Edited November 24, 2021 by NotHereToPlayGames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XPerceniol Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: ... The only thing I'd really conclude definitively is that a dark theme INCREASES your GUI load time... Oh, that is good to know ... so you've determined that the "skins" only slowed the load time but didn't slow performance overall? I'll admit, (both) "skinless" and your "XP" are just fine with me. I change between that light (square and blue skin ... I dont' care for that light round skin) and between the dark skin but am using the dark less often anyway. Edited November 25, 2021 by XPerceniol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XPerceniol Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Enjoy your holiday tomorrow. I expect it to be quiet - just way I prefer it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, XPerceniol said: so you've determined that the "skins" only slowed the load time but didn't slow performance overall? Skins have zero "perceptable" difference on GUI load time. The differences we are talking about are only 0.006 to 0.011 seconds. The human eye cannot process visual data faster than 60 frames per second. 0.006 seconds is basically 167 frames per second and 0.011 seconds is basically 91 frames per second. The GUI load time difference needs to exceed 0.017 seconds before the human eye can process the visual difference. And that would be the eyesight of a professional baseball player that can see the spin of a 90mph fastball. The rest of us are lucky to detect 40 frames per second and that puts the GUI load time difference way up at 0.024 seconds - more than TWICE our worst-case measurement. For reference, video data is generally 24 frames per second and while there has been Massachusetts Institute of Technology studies that the brain can subliminally respond to one frame of those 24 frames per second, the eyes do not "see" that frame. Our GUI load time difference has to hit 0.042 seconds to be equivalent to 24 frames per second -- 4 to 7 times higher than they are at! Skins have zero "perceptable" difference on GUI load time - it's all Placebo Effect. And no effect on performance overall. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathwiz Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 hours ago, msfntor said: Here: https://www.pcworld.com/article/422829/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-using-your-pcs-bandwidth-to-update-strangers-systems.html All Peer To Peer is enabled in the browser: https://html5test.com/ Those are two different things. The P2P update capability in Windows 10 is built into the OS and doesn't rely on any browser being installed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msfntor Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 10 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: It's not installed according to here -- https://www.math.uh.edu/mathonline/JavaTest/JavaTestPage.htm (this test in v11 where browserspy incorrectly claims java is installed, when I close v11 then I will test again in v13.5). edit: same thing in v13.5... browserspy claims it is installed, the JavaTestPage says it is not... BETTER browserspy.dk JAVA test: http://browserspy.dk/java.php Result: "Java isn't installed or doesn't work!" ...in v13.5, DcBrowser, Serpent 55 etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msfntor Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Do we have a way to test if P2P connections are being made? P2P Port Test: https://www.whatsmyip.org/port-scanner/p2p/ Results in my PC machine: Status: Timed-Out for all. In 360Chrome v13.5, DcBrowser, Basilisk/Serpent 55... So we calm down. Other Port Scanners: https://www.whatsmyip.org/port-scanner/ - all timed-out here... Edited November 25, 2021 by msfntor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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