My Browser Builds (Part 1)

[VistaLover]

11 hours ago, roytam1 said:

New New Moon 27 Build!

32bit https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win32-git-20190831-18efcca64-xpmod.7z
32bit SSE https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win32-git-20190831-18efcca64-xpmod-sse.7z
32bit noSSE https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win32-git-20190831-18efcca64-xpmod-ia32.7z

64bit https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win64-git-20190831-18efcca64-xpmod.7z

17 minutes ago, RED-CHAMBER said:

Pardon me Roytam, but i think you posted a link to an old version of palemoon 27

... Yes, posted links unfortunately yield last week's packages; may happen to the best of us!

Correct links:

32bit https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win32-git-20190907-c6d625af7-xpmod.7z
32bit SSE https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win32-git-20190907-c6d625af7-xpmod-sse.7z
32bit noSSE https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win32-git-20190907-c6d625af7-xpmod-ia32.7z

64bit https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win64-git-20190907-c6d625af7-xpmod.7z

 

[roytam1]

29 minutes ago, RED-CHAMBER said:

Pardon me Roytam, but i think you posted a link to an old version of palemoon 27. I grabed the new one from your index page. It's correct?

both are old links. yeah this happens sometimes. post edited.

[VistaLover]

17 minutes ago, Mathwiz said:

Serpent 52 should be able to use Basilisk language packs

There are NO (official or otherwise) language packs for Basilisk! (and NO, FirefoxESR 52.x.x's ones won't work either...) - see my previous reply to @AndreasB. :

23 hours ago, VistaLover said:

it may be done in Serpent 52.9.0 for which no official language packs exist

... And according to @AndreasB.'s wording,

On 9/6/2019 at 3:33 PM, AndreasB. said:

Do you have a other Browser with a german language-pack for WinXP x86?

the query was for @roytam1-only maintained browsers; to this, I may point out the availability of the FirefoxESR 45.x.x fork, intended basically for SSE-only older processors; I faintly recollect weeks ago I directed one user of that to the Mozilla provided language packs, I think his response was positive:

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/45.9.0esr/win32/xpi/

OTOH, I'm not following closely the development of the KM Goanna fork, perhaps users such as @siria can shed additional light on the availability of updated, working, language packs for that!

Edited September 7, 2019 by VistaLover

[i430VX]

Well folks, it's here!
Version 3.0 of my Unofficial Browser installer offers AUTOMATIC determination of the latest browsers. That means you no longer need to wait for me to update the server file.
One other change I added was the ability to "install again", that is to install another browser without closing and reopening the installer.

The new version, as always, is availible as always at:
http://i430vx.net/files/XP/RoyTam%20Browser%20Installer.exe





P.S. BIG thanks to @Mathwiz for showing me your method of determining the latest browser builds, you helped a lot.

 

EDIT: It appears i didnt make something quite right in the COPY of firefox 45, so it doesnt work right now. I will fix it tonight. Par for the course i guess considering I changed nearly everything.

Edited September 7, 2019 by i430VX

[Mathwiz]

9 hours ago, AndreasB. said:

For PaleMoon I have installed the German language pack. But is there another browser with German language pack for Windows XP?

OK, let's try this again, with corrections/additions:

4 hours ago, Mathwiz said:

This is from memory, so correct me if I'm wrong, but:

• Serpent 52 should be able to use Basilisk language packs (Wrong; per @VistaLover Basilisk doesn't have language packs, but I'll add...)
• Firefox 52 ESR, of course, as well as earlier Firefox versions, including @roytam1's build of Firefox 45 ESR linked above
• SeaMonkey 2.49.5: Unofficial builds were available at http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/ until recently, but when official builds became available, wg9s removed them. Official win32 & win64 SeaMonkey builds are at https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.49.5-candidates/build3/unsigned. There is a German version, so you may not even need a language pack.
• IIRC @roytam1's build of Navigator can also use SeaMonkey's language packs, but they require some "surgery" first.

I believe somewhere back in the bowels of this thread is a post explaining how to modify SeaMonkey language packs for Navigator.

4 hours ago, VistaLover said:

And according to @AndreasB.'s wording,

On 9/6/2019 at 7:33 AM, AndreasB. said:

Do you have a other Browser with a German language-pack for WinXP x86?

the query was for @roytam1-only maintained browsers

I was responding to the post quoted at the top of this post, which said "is there," not "do you have".

[Mathwiz]

On 9/7/2019 at 12:01 PM, i430VX said:

I will fix it tonight. Par for the course i guess considering I changed nearly everything.

And considering (from my own experience) it's nearly impossible to get a nontrivial Windows batch script to work right the first time! I really wish Microsoft had just bought 4NT from JP Software and made that their batch language; it was also DOS compatible but much saner. But I guess M$'s NIH syndrome was acting up....

That said, I've written a new version of my Browser Downloader batch file - but this time, it's in a .7z archive along with some other stuff:

• myuseragents.js: my list of SSUAOs, mostly derived from PM 28, with a few updates
• @looking4awayout's UOC browser optimization files
• A couple of alternative background images and word-marks for the Serpent browsers by @dencorso (unfortunately there's a really nice one I couldn't include, but these aren't bad)
• And Info-zip's freeware zip.exe, needed to install the aforementioned background images and word-marks

I consider this a "test bed" for new features; it's not intended to replace @i430VX's installer. It downloads to different folders than his, doesn't create desktop or Start menu shortcuts, and probably has some bugs!

One known bug is that it won't preserve KM profiles when updating. I'll work on that; meanwhile you'll have to copy KM profiles back from the old folder manually.

But if you don't mind creating your own shortcuts the first time you download one of @roytam1's browsers with it, it will take some of the drudgery out of your weekly updates:

• It will back up a previous download before downloading the current version
• It will offer to install myuseragents.js (except for mailnews, of course)
• It will offer to install the proper UOC file for FF 45, NM 27, or KM
• For Serpent 52 or 55, it will offer to replace the background for the Help / About dialog with your preferred alternative
• Also for Serpent 52/55, it will offer to replace the word-mark for the Help / About dialog as well.

Edit: I had the .7z moved to @i430VX's server. You can download it here: http://i430vx.net/files/mathwiz/Browser Installer.7z

To install, simply extract the .7z into a folder, (if desired) create a shortcut to the "Download Latest Browser.bat" file, review the .png files (they're both derived from the one already included in Serpent 52), choose the one you prefer (or create your own), and rename it about-background.png.

BTW, in addition to the two custom word-marks in the .7z, @dencorso just gave me a couple more that are gold instead of light green. I'm attaching them to this post. You can add them to the same folder you extract the .7z to. All four word-marks now included in the download!

To use, just launch, and follow the prompts.

Edit 2: Time for some bug fixes. When I was adding the code to replace Serpent's Help / About backgrounds & word-marks, I introduced a bug with installing myuseragents.js (it got installed to the wrong directory) and the UOC Patch (same, unless you tried to install myuseragents.js - in which case myuseragents.js would not install correctly but the UOC Patch would). Also, none of those would even be offered by merely clicking the batch file - you had to run it from the command line while in the directory containing those .js files.

All that's been corrected in the attached version of the batch file. I'll also let @i430VX know to update the .7z with this version.

Edit 3: One more fix, to switch to @roytam1's newest domain (rths.ml).

Edit 4: Two more changes: one to download @roytam1's new Arctic Fox builds for XP; the other to deal with a subtle name change in @looking4awayout's UOC Patch files (he added an underscore). This new batch file will work with either the old or new file names.

 

Download Latest Browser.bat

Edited October 20, 2019 by Mathwiz

[VistaLover]

1 hour ago, Mathwiz said:

per @VistaLover Basilisk doesn't have language packs, but I'll add...)

When Basilisk was first conceived as a Moebius Platform test bed browser application, the language packs from Firefox 53.0 did initially work (for their most part); but as MCP started deviating from the Mozilla code by deleting/relocating/adding GUI strings, the Fx 53.0 LPs (installed in Bk55/Moebius) quickly broke ; users did complain:

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=17876

but the final word from Moonchild himself was:

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=131106#p131106

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We don't have language packs, and currently have no plans for them for Basilisk. You can't and shouldn't try to use Firefox ones (you're lucky one of them worked to begin with, it was probably part-broken, just not in the main UI).

It's undecided at this point if it's worth doing this for Basilisk, at all. It takes a lot of capacity to properly provide language packs and unless Basilisk really takes off (which I doubt at this point) there's simply no justification for the overhead needed.

Their view on things did not change when their Moebius "experiment" backfired and they had to start all over again with Basilisk (52.9.x) on UXP...

1 hour ago, Mathwiz said:

Official win32 & win64 SeaMonkey builds are at https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.49.5-candidates/build3/unsigned. There is a German version, so you may not even need a language pack.

Time now for me to be overly pedantic, but since 2.49.5 has been properly released, one had better look into the "releases" directory for official signed binaries and language packs:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/win32/de/

LPs only:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/langpacks/win32/

(FTR, I doubt the RC3 builds are any different to the final (released ones), apart from the signature, that is...)

1 hour ago, Mathwiz said:

I believe somewhere back in the bowels of this thread is a post explaining how to modify SeaMonkey language packs for Navigator.

Perhaps @TechnoRelic has that link handy, since I know he's one of the few (?) users here of that fork... ; in any case, let us first hear what @AndreasB. is really after...

Best regards

Edited September 7, 2019 by VistaLover

[roytam1]

5 hours ago, i430VX said:

EDIT: It appears i didnt make something quite right in the COPY of firefox 45, so it doesnt work right now. I will fix it tonight. Par for the course i guess considering I changed nearly everything.

you may try grabbing http://o.rths.cf/gpc/files1.rt/index.php?sitemap&filter=firefox* to filter out firefox only links. the last one will be the latest one.

[TechnoRelic]

*** This FIX from RT for BNAV Browser Language Packs seems NOT working anymore ***

@Mathwiz --> I believe somewhere back in the bowels of this thread
is a post explaining how to modify SeaMonkey language packs for (RT BNAV) Navigator. <--

@VistaLover --> Perhaps 'TR' has that link handy, since I know he's one
of the few (?) users here of that (RT version of BNAV Browser) fork...   <--

Okay, this should be what is desired with regard to (RT) BNAV Browser and Language Packs.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-fork-targetting-xp/page/101/?tab=comments#comment-1158936
Rewrite (for clarity) of RT's Original Message to FIX the Language Packs for (Navigator) BNAV Browser.
I was able to verify that RT's original instructions are correct.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-fork-targetting-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1158917
RT's Original Message to FIX the Language Packs to install in (Navigator) BNAV Browser.
RT (another message) notes that NOT everything is ALL FIXED, but it is good enough to use it.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-fork-targetting-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1164249
Suggested (Navigator) BNAV Browser THEMES to use, instead of the DEFAULT one.
DEFAULT THEME has it where Browser ACTIVE TAB is *not* a different color from other open TABS.

Edited September 9, 2019 by TechnoRelic

[Mathwiz]

Wow - adding a SM theme to BNav is pretty easy, but adding a language pack requires a LOT more "surgery" than I remembered

I'm going to review those instructions and see if there's a way to automate that mess with a batch file or something....
Edit: Downloaded a couple of SM language packs to experiment with, and ... really? 7-Zip won't even open the .xpi files as archives!

OK, I figured it out, but it's not good news: all I downloaded were 404 Not Found pages! Apparently all the SM language packs are gone!

Luckily SM is available in many languages including German, but I guess you just have to download copies of the browser in each desired language now. Edit 2: There are language packs for version 2.49.4. I'm thinking the best option for Seamonkey 2.49.5 is just to install the browser in the language(s) you need; for BNav, SM 2.49.4 language packs will have to do. (Perhaps the version difference is one reason so much surgery is required.)

Edit 3: It gets worse; the folder structure of BNav's omni.ja doesn't match the instructions! I'm guessing it was changed sometime between January and now. I'm giving up.

BTW, 7-Zip works great on themes - I just double-click the .xpi (I have Windows set to open .xpi's with 7-Zip), click install.rdf, press F4 (set to run WordPad), paste the needed code in the right place, close WordPad, tell it to save, tell 7-Zip to update, close 7-Zip, drag the the .xpi to about:addons in BNav, and follow the prompts. Not trivial but not that tough either.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Mathwiz

[i430VX]

Good news! I've fixed the bug with Firefox 45 SSE in my installer.
Download it again (here! http://i430vx.net/files/XP/RoyTam Browser Installer.exe ) and enjoy!

 

5 hours ago, roytam1 said:

you may try grabbing http://o.rths.cf/gpc/files1.rt/index.php?sitemap&filter=firefox* to filter out firefox only links. the last one will be the latest one.

That's pretty cool to know, while fortunately my issue was easier than that. I simply had named the file incorrectly after downloading.

@Mathwiz, If you want me to host your browser installer "test bed" on my server so it's not eating up your (probably rather limited) MSFN attachment space, I'd be more than happy to do that for you. Just LMK

[VistaLover]

11 hours ago, Mathwiz said:

Edit 2: There are language packs for version 2.49.4. I'm thinking the best option for Seamonkey 2.49.5 is just to install the browser in the language(s) you need; for BNav, SM 2.49.4 language packs will have to do.

... Did I not provide links to latest SeaMonkey 2.49.5 language packs in my previous post?

15 hours ago, VistaLover said:

since 2.49.5 has been properly released, one had better look into the "releases" directory for official signed binaries and language packs:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/win32/de/

LPs only:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/langpacks/win32/

[Mathwiz]

4 hours ago, VistaLover said:

... Did I not provide links to latest SeaMonkey 2.49.5 language packs in my previous post?

Thanks, but I didn't read your post closely. I just used the links at https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#langpacks, where I reasonably (I thought) expected them to be; but they're all broken there!

Your links will take care of @AndreasB. if he decides to use Seamonkey vs. New Moon, but I'm still giving up on BNav. Looks like the folder structure of its omni.ja file is just too volatile, and language packs would have to be redone every time it gets changed.

Back when this issue first came up, @roytam1 hinted that similar "surgery" might let FF language packs work on Serpent, but said he hadn't really looked into it. If there's demand for Serpent language packs, the folder structure of Serpent's omni.ja is stable, so that could be a crowd-sourced project many of us could contribute to.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Mathwiz

[VistaLover]

18 minutes ago, Mathwiz said:

I used the links at https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#langpacks, where I expected them to be; but they're all broken!

... Yes, a major c*ck-up ; the links should have pointed to

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/langpacks/win32/

instead of

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/langpack/

(a plural number "s" is what makes all the difference in this case! )

BTW, you did mention in passing win64 SeaMonkey builds for v2.49.5, they state they require Win7+; it'd be challenging if someone made them install/work under WinXP/Vista 64-bit!

Best wishes

[Mathwiz]

"Langpack" vs "langpacks:" computers are so literal-minded!

Interesting that win32 builds of SM run on XP/Vista, while win64 builds don't. But the source code is available, so 64-bit SM for XP/Vista could be a nice addition to @roytam1's "stock." It would probably just be a one-time build, since 2.49.5 is stable, but still worthwhile if there's demand.

BTW, any chance of a 2.49.6? Seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened. Edit: Answering my own question,

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With the SeaMonkey 2.49.5 release the 2.49.x line comes to an end. Unless a catastrophic bug is discovered 2.49.5 will be the last ESR 52 based version.

(from https://www.seamonkey-project.org). Pretty much what I expected; oh, well....

Edited September 11, 2019 by Mathwiz