Microsoft security essentials and Windows XP

[heinoganda]

@Mathwiz

Since you have misunderstood what, meant the Microsoft Installer redistributable 4.5.

If you want, you can also try MSE 4.8 (Please PM).

Edited December 20, 2016 by heinoganda

[Mathwiz]

2 hours ago, monroe said:

Just to add ... I also still use Malwarebytes v1.75. I mentioned this in another post in Sep 2015. If you don't want v1.75 to upgrade to a new version, follow these steps:

 

"You don't have to upgrade when getting database updates for the older version, you need to take out the checkmarks under the 'Settings' tab.

Go to 'Settings' ... then go to 'Updater Settings' and uncheck:

Download and install program update if available ...

I also uncheck:

Notify me when a program update is ready for installation

I can get Database updates for the older 1.75 version and no 'Program Updates' are downloaded ... nothing is changed except for the newer Database updates."

Then if you want to update another computer "offline" ... just go to ...

C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Malwarebytes  ... copy 'rules.ref' and in the Configuration folder copy 'database.conf' ... just replace these two files in the 'offline' computer and you have it currently updated.

So if you are having problems with an 'offline' computer and you already have Malwarebytes v1.75 installed, just update it and run the program, if you can't get online with that computer.
 

OK, I found, downloaded & installed MWB 1.75. The installer is very aggressive in trying to immediately update you to V2 though. You have to tell the installer not to update, then when you launch the program, you also have to tell it not to update, at least until you've gone in and unchecked the program update settings as you explained above.

I'm not going to try to scan with it until I've made a complete backup though. I don't want a repeat of last week!
 

[Monroe]

OK ... that brings to mind another step with MWB 1.75. If that Window pops up saying your database is over 10 days old and needs to be updated ... don't update that way. I always go into the program and update myself with the Update tab ... then before you do the update, you can go and uncheck all those boxes. Should be no problem after that.

I never update from that Window that pops up before the program actually starts.

...
 

[Mathwiz]

3 hours ago, heinoganda said:

@Mathwiz

Since you have misunderstood what, meant the Microsoft Installer redistributable 4.5.

If you want, you can also try MSE 4.8 (Please PM).

Oh - MSI 4.5, not MSE 4.5!

I wasn't able to tell if I had it installed already, so I just downloaded it and (re?)installed it. I don't understand how that would affect MSE's scanning process though.
 

Edit: Looks like I did need it - installing it fixed some, um, "anomalies" that I started seeing after installing all the POSReady '09 fixes (such as the word "cancel" missing from the Cancel button when installing something). My Cancel buttons say "Cancel" again!
 

Edited December 20, 2016 by Mathwiz

[heinoganda]

@Mathwiz

I hope so, the problem is fixed. MSI 4.5 (KB942288-v3) is not aviable on WU/MU! The problem I have already mentioned several times (here, here (KB3196726) and here). It will test it until the composter smokes. 

Edited December 21, 2016 by heinoganda

[Mathwiz]

I remember reading your post, but I didn't realize that I didn't have it installed already! I'm running the Windows XP mode that you get free with Windows 7 Pro; I would've thought something that important would already have been included, just as it was with "real" POSReady '09.

Besides, there seems to be no easy way to tell which MSI version is installed on a given system. MSI isn't listed in Add/Remove Programs (except as a "hotfix" when you install 4.5).

Hopefully there's an easier way, but at least I've identified one way to tell: if after installing POSReady '09 updates, text disappears from any Microsoft Installer dialogs (such as the word "Cancel" on the Cancel button), then you don't have MSI 4.5 and need to install it.

And you're right: harkaz really needs to add that info to post 1 of the POSReady '09 thread. It would save folks like me a lot of grief!

Edit: After reading your other posts, it looks like what happens is that some of the POSReady '09 updates apply fixes to MSI, so if you don't have the right version to start with, you end up with a "mixed" set of MSI files (some 3.1 and some 4.5). That probably explains the garbled installer dialog boxes.

Presumably, installing the MSI 4.5 hotfix sets everything right again, since it would replace the 3.1 files, but the 4.5 files installed by the updates would be recognized as newer, and not downgraded to the original, insecure versions.

 

Edited December 21, 2016 by Mathwiz

[heinoganda]

@Mathwiz

I also take the updates on each Patchday's updates apart and fit these as far as they do not need a POSReady 2009 entry in the registry. Secondly, I lead separate update rollup save just when reinstalling considerable time. POSReady 2009 contains MSI 4.5 and because MS does not need a query in the patch. Do not want to know how many users think that the updates do not work.

Off Topic: It is time that I go to bed to rest, since we have in Germany meanwhile 4 am clock.

[mo832]

I haven't used malwarebytes for a few years, but I check my system and I have v1.65 installed. If I just update the defs, is this version still effective for XP ??

Also, will v1.75 work and be effective on windows 8.1 , or does it need the new updates in order to do the right job?

[Jody Thornton]

4 hours ago, mo832 said:

Also, will v1.75 work and be effective on windows 8.1 , or does it need the new updates in order to do the right job?

I use it on Windows 8 x64 Pro, so it should work.

[mo832]

Have they decided to allow auto updates again without POSReady? I was already getting adjusted to a periodic manual download and update of the defs, and was actually enjoying the fact that I am in control of when it performs the update instead of it randomly choosing to hang up my pc when I might be in the middle of something important.

So today when my pc got stuck, I looked at the running processes and saw something starting with mpam... and then when I opened the mse window, it showed "up to date" and the latest file was already loaded without me doing anything. I had thought that was over with.

They cannot make up their friggin minds at MS.

[dencorso]

@heinoganda: I'm getting from MSE this message: "The virus and spyware definitions didn't update on 01/04/2017, 2:17 AM because of an Internet or network connectivity problem." Your MSE updater does work, but downloads the same update since March 29. My internet connection is working OK, so problem is not here. Can you help? And, BTW, in which folder do last update files remain, so that I can transfer the most recent I have back to this machine? How can I give the update files manually to MSE? I used the RAUE option and now I'm without any virus and spyware definitions on this machine...
Later edit:
Well, I figured the last update should be in "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Definition Updates\{<some number>}", copied it back to this installaion and restarted MSE, which recognized the files. So far, so good: I'm back to the v.1.239.365.0 definitions, from 03/29/2017. But the new mpam-fe.exe from today, that I've just downloaded, still refuses to install. I count on your help.

[Bersaglio]

2 hours ago, dencorso said:

@heinoganda
...But the new mpam-fe.exe from today, that I've just downloaded, still refuses to install. I count on your help.

Microsoft corrupted MPSigStub.exe this time, not mpam-fe.exe entire package. The latest working mpam-fe.exe package with correct MPSigStub.exe is 1.239.450.0 (and earlier revisions, of course). To update definitions You can do the following:

1. Unpack mpam-fe.exe package to some folder (using WinRAR or something).

2. Remove MPSigStub.exe from this folder.

3. Unpack mpam-fe.exe revision 1.239.450.0 (or earlier package) to a different folder. Then copy MPSigStub.exe to the first folder with newer definitions.

4. Run MPSigStub.exe (in the first folder, of course)

Edited April 1, 2017 by Bersaglio

[heinoganda]

@Bersaglio

This was known to me, but I wanted to post it in the forum not so obvious, especially since there are fellow-readers who come up with new "Program error".   Unfortunately, it takes some time to make some changes to the definition updater.

@All

Microsoft Security Essentials Definition Updater update to version 1.5

Have several bugs corrected.

Edited April 1, 2017 by heinoganda

[DrWho3000]

9 hours ago, dencorso said:

@heinoganda: I'm getting from MSE this message: "The virus and spyware definitions didn't update on 01/04/2017, 2:17 AM because of an Internet or network connectivity problem." Your MSE updater does work, but downloads the same update since March 29. My internet connection is working OK, so problem is not here. Can you help? And, BTW, in which folder do last update files remain, so that I can transfer the most recent I have back to this machine? How can I give the update files manually to MSE? I used the RAUE option and now I'm without any virus and spyware definitions on this machine...
Later edit:
Well, I figured the last update should be in "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Definition Updates\{<some number>}", copied it back to this installaion and restarted MSE, which recognized the files. So far, so good: I'm back to the v.1.239.365.0 definitions, from 03/29/2017. But the new mpam-fe.exe from today, that I've just downloaded, still refuses to install. I count on your help.

I was getting the same hadn't updated since March 30th, I tried downloading latest definitions to install manually which usually work it it wont

I did try stopping MSE altogether to install then restarting No go

To update definitions You can do the following:

1. Unpack mpam-fe.exe package to some folder (using WinRAR or something).

2. Remove MPSigStub.exe from this folder.

3. Unpack mpam-fe.exe revision 1.239.450.0 (or earlier package) to a different folder. Then copy MPSigStub.exe to the first folder with newer definitions.

how do I do this, how do i unpack mpam-fe

4. Run MPSigStub.exe (in the first folder, of course)

after extracting mpam files with 7-zip I don't see a mpam file but I do MPSig

plus other files ending in vdm

what do i do, tried following instructions, now lost

the MPSig file is dated 300317 so looks out of date

I Did even reboot PC and router (which sometimes solves problem) No go

Using XP SP3 here upto now had no problems after putting in reg Posready

MSE Version

Antimalware Client Version: 4.4.304.0
Engine Version: 1.1.13601.0
Antivirus definition: 1.239.411.0
Antispyware definition: 1.239.411.0

update update Edit

I managed to retrieve an older version of MPSig and put that in a folder with newer updates, then did it maually
it seems to have been the mpsig
But still will not update via the MSE updater

Antimalware Client Version: 4.4.304.0
Engine Version: 1.1.13601.0
Antivirus definition: 1.239.573.0
Antispyware definition: 1.239.573.0

lets hope M$ will correct this

Edited April 1, 2017 by DrWho3000
update

[DrWho3000]

IF anyone doesn't understand or can do it
I have manged to to do it and it works