ragnargd

Hi, fellows, i don't seem to find the threads where the use/installation of dos-LAN-drivers during installation, but, more importanly, AFTER installation of w98se is described in detail. Could anyone who successfully DID that, put a link to threads with some kind of HOWTO here, as well maybe notify the keeper of some stickyfied "important link" section? If there exists no such thing: It is sought after by ruthan and me. Any help would be appreciated.

Interesting. With which chipsets?

Wasn't on german amazon, so i missed it. Tnx. I just bought it...

Hi, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary: i had to solve the problem, that there are never enough PCI slots on interesting boards. This is now solved by using PCI-to-PCIe-adapters, with great success!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Long Story: I now own this AM4-board: http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X370 Killer SLI/ It has two SLI-enabled PCIe-slots for the dual-GPU-stunt (this is necessary, as it is too expensive to NOT Dual-Boot with W10 or Linux). It has PS/2-ports for mouse and keyboard, which, as RLoew will tell you as well, is very convenient. It has some PCIe-slots with good Placement. A lot of bells and whistles, but for the moment i ignore that... (RGB looks nice...) So, what i needed, were TWO PCI-slots, one for a PCI-SATA-controller with W98SE-support, and one for a card like the SB Audigy PCI. First, i bought this PCI to PCIe Adapter: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Express-Adapter-Card-PEX1PCI1/dp/B0024CV3SA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1500571316&sr=8-5&keywords=PCI+to+PCIe+adapter I installed it on the first PCIe-slot, and connected it to power (had to buy some sata-to-molex-adapter - prepare for ugly wiring...). Then, i got out my SATA-controller with VIA VT6421(A) chipset, which, fortunately, is low profile: https://www.amazon.com/Syba-Controller-Software-Component-SD-VIA-1A2S/dp/B002EL4RL6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1500571787&sr=1-1&keywords=Syba+1+Port+ATA133+IDE+and+2+Port+SATA+II+PCI+Controller+Card+with+Software+RAID+Component I removed the slot-metal, put the controller into the adapter (can't fix the card, but the PCI-slot seems to hold just good enough), connected a SATA II SSD, and tested with Ubuntu Gnome 17.04, and Windows 10 Pro 64bit 17.03. Works! I can boot any OS from that Controller (at least W10 and Ubuntu)! Then i bought another one, and put in the Soundblaster Audigy Player ("Gamer") PCI. Sound on W10 and Ubuntu! Works! The full-height Audigy Player sits in the machine in an elevated way (Fixation-Point 3 cm above the screw-hole, which is a lot), so i still have to think about some way to secure it. Dencorso hinted at a nice Adapter in the next post, which i bought immediately, but unfortunately, you need a reeeeeeally big Tower, to be able to use it... But the all-important audio-out sits still below the Fixation-Point. Hey, lucky! So, from now on, missing PCI-Slots for important add-in cards is not a (big) problem any more, as long as there are enough and well-positioned PCIe-1x-slots. (What does NOT work yet, is installing w98se on this AM4-board - i'm working on it - but that's another story... it does not look good at the moment... ) Cheers...

A good and cheap start is the GeForce 6600 AGP with 256 MB. Good for a start, because: 1 slot only passively cooled Supported by a stable official driver (77.72) DVI-D and VGA Example (german ebay): http://www.ebay.de/itm/Gigabyte-GV-N66256DP-Nvidia-GeForce-6600-256MB-DDR-AGP-DVI-VGA-TV-Graphics-Card-/282525062693?epid=56523744&hash=item41c7ce5625:g:flwAAOSwjvJZQTII Once you have more experience, you can experiment with other cards (i.e. GeForce 7600 (GT) AGP 256MB passive). But this one will get you started without a headache.

What problems do you have when using port 5 or 6 in ide-mode? The LAN 8111F is not supported by basic drivers. You may ask around here about how to use the DOS driver - i did never bother to do this, but others had success. I never heard of intel pci-e cards to work. You need the commercial NVIDIA-driver-fix (for memory as well as for interrupt problems) from RLoew to make that card work. I recommend you *start* with an old ATI x600 or x800, or perhaps ATI Radeon 9000 series, as those work without a problem on those boards. Then, later on, experiment with NVidia-cards. The USB-settings are delicate. You need this, as far as i know: "USB Configuration" Legacy USB Support [Auto] (<- this is the most important. You'll absolutely need NUSB (or perhaps an alternative from RLoew?) to get this to work!) Legacy USB3.0 Support [Enabled] (may not be usable, but it's not that important, it will not get in the way with w98se) EHCI Hand-off [Enabled] (you may try disabled, if you dual-boot, but that may, or may not work. start with enabled.) SB USB Configuration SB USB-Configurationoptions: OHCI HC (Bus 0 Dev 18 Fn 0) [Enabled] [Disabled] (<-- you may have to play with these, start with [disabled]) USB PORT 1 ~ 14 [Enabled] | [Disabled] (<-- disable only, if all else fails... You can start with using a PS2-mouse and keyboard, as this board allows that. Some USB-mice may work with an USB to PS2-adapter. That's why i recommend other PCIe LAN-cards (RTL8111C, RTL8111B, RTL8168B, RTL8111 and RTL8168 chipsets) and soundcards (i.e. soundblaster audigy 1/2 pci), or basically start with devices that have drivers for w98se AND w10, as such items usually a very cooperative, and have comparably new drivers of a good quality. Those AMD-boards are the only boards i have still active with w98se, but of those i have three working.

Gamers welcome! :-D Do you have specific games you want to play? Or do you have a specific hardware-setup, for which you want the fitting games? Both of it can influence, what you shoud install, beyond the basic OS...

This is a good document, thank you! (btw: If it is "yours", would you mind transforming it from .doc into a format that makes my security-nerves less tingling? )

I have PCIe-cards with *native* drivers for Gigabit-LAN (at least two), and VGA (many, i.e. GeForce GTX 7900). Are you sure you really mean PCIe 1x?

There are attempts at 98SE running inside DOSBox with VooDoo drivers to have DX. I did not have the time to test this out yet (I will someday in the future), but even if it works, there will be issues, because VoDoo isn't exactly The Latest(tm) for W9x as well. Still, this DOSBox-thingie is the most promising project known to me. Going for a DX(9.0c)-enabled driver that hands through the API from a W9x-VM to a host is a non-trivial matter. Even for XP, which is understood much better by people like the guys from VMWare, this just barely works within VMWare workstation after years. The same with qemu on linux. R. Loew *might* be able to do this, but why should he (or just anyone) even bother? This is REALLY much work, and i don't think whoever did this would ever get enough money from it to justify this enormous amount of time. Again: We are speaking about years here. But in case: Just ask him...

Another old school gamer? Welcome!!!

Say, on what medium do you have your legitimate Windows 95? On floppy disks? Or on a CD?

Is Tommy just feeding Salt into our Wounds(tm)? :-D

I learned that the hard way last year, when it killed my C2Q system two times in a row, before i recognized the problem. Since then i disable the fast-boot right after installation. As the setting was reset by MS like so many other things after major updates, I check this after each (1607, 1704, etc.) as well. What i can't say is, why i did not have this problem on my AM3+ boards - i assume it has something to do with boot-order (on those systems, the Windows 10 partition is the boot-partition in BIOS, and I start XP and W98SE via BCD). But i'm not sure.

Do you have any machine on the same LAN to compare? Some Windows 10 machine, in example?

@Fido-X: Sorry, the 77.72 was for W9x only - i wasn't stating this clearly, so: Mea culpa. There is a legacy driver for XP, have a look here: http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/57493 Version 307.83 - WHQL Release Date Tue Feb 26, 2013 Operating System Windows XP Language English (US) File Size 148.55 MB Caveat: I use this driver on three machines, but on XP SP*3*... with SP2, ummm, is there a reason not to update to the latest service pack?

Gigabyte K8T800-8237? Funny, there are many places calling the MoBo like this... i second jaclaz finding, though, of course. Drivers for the MoBo for both XP and W98SE are provided by GigaByte themselves: http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-K8VT800-rev-2x#support-dl 6200: I'd still suggest using the older 77.72 driver for the card, as it is a bit more stable (no shutdown problems)... ...unless you use a widescreen-Monitor, whereas you should read about the unofficial driver provided on msfn.org (ask for it here, if need be).

Correct. Cool. I suspected something in that line, but didn't know that (it is not in the german wikipedia-text... btw.: The Biostar-board is limited to P4, so i wouldn't bother... The 4coredual SATA2 R2.0 is supported by the VIA Hyperion drivers, which includes sound, LAN, SATA, etc., that's why we have drivers. They weren't made specifically for that board.

On the 4coreDual-SATA2 R2.0, it's the (PT880 Pro/ VT8237S) chipset, which is about one revision later. No other board uses it, AFAIK, three boards use it, but never to the fullest. As far as i remember, it uses can use the same driver on W98SE for the SATAII controller as on the 775Dual-VSTA (both from 2003), that is, the latest VIA Hyperion, BUT (!): On my current installation, i disabled the SATA-ports for W98SE, as the way i use it, i have SSDs with XP and W10 on that ports, with NTFS (W98SE booting from IDE-SSDs on FAT32). It took me some time - and some unpleasant re-installation, as i fu**ed up - to have all 4 SSDs get a SSD-friendly alignment... Just for you... ...I just downloaded the drivers from asrock, had a look, and looking at the infs, they still seem to support W9x. I will try this out later this week, just to make sure. Yes, it would then be the only SATAII-driver for W98SE, but i suspect, the chipset is backward compatible. Maybe I'll try some benchmarking, to see if the driver/chipset really provides SATA2-speed, or if we are up to some fake-news... :-)

Sorry, i don't seem to find an USB-Adapter of that name, just an 10/100/1000 PCI card. Do you have a link to that product?

775Dual-VSTA has just SATA I (1.5 Gb/s), and supports only Dual-Core CPUs. It officially supports Vista 64bit, and officially supports W98SE. The 4coreDual-SATA2 R2.0 supports SATA II (3.0 Gb/s), and Quadcores. It officially supports W7 64bit, and does NOT support W98SE officially - although, technically, there is no reason not to, as drivers exist, and all work. The latter basically is newer, and has the newer southbridge. I got AGP-cards and PCIe-cards working at the same time, but i also took a close look at the GPU-compatibility-table, and having the latest BIOS (the beta with 4GB Ram support from PCTreiber.net) Although the 4coredual is highly cross-compatible up to W10, and runs W98SE fine (with me!), this is - from todays perspective - a board for running AGP-cards. This is no less due to the board-layout, which clearly favours the AGP-slot. There are "newer" boards for AGP (like the still supported 775i65G R3.0), but with Quadcore, Sata II and DDR2, this is it. To run PCIe-cards, I'd rather use any other platform we mention on msfn.org (including, of course, AM3+, although Intel P35 ist still a good contender IMHO), but these are rather "soft" reasons from my side.

WPA2 + 300MBit = Quest for the Holy Grail in W9x-Land (tm). Prepare for Despair. Read: http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/175486-wpa2-for-windows-9x/ Long story short: I recommend the aforementioned Router in Client-Mode, albeit a cute one (= USB-powered, < 50g, as on the thread mentioned above): http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/TL-WR802N.html I use two of those, and i like them. No NAT-firewall included, of course.

What's wrong with VIA-Chipsets? This one -> http://www.asrock.com/mb/VIA/4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0/ runs fine for me, with W98SE, XP Pro and W10, with native drivers on all OSs. Q9550S (@266FSB), or a Q6600; 4GB DDR2-800 (@667) or 4GB DDR-400; GF 7900 GT 512MB AGP or GF 7600 256MB PCIe; Intel MT Gigabit PCI or Onboard 100MBit; SB Audigy PCI. 2IDE-SSDs, 2 SATAII-SSDs (@SATA1). It's like shopping with Dad's Golden Credit Card(tm), you can run practically *all* hardware after PIII on this one... The AM2+ aequivalent, as you asked for it: http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/ALiveDual-eSATA2/ runs (mostly) fine with W98SE, XP 64bit and some Linux, albeit not with anything newer from M$ than Vista, because of NForce3 chipset... i.e. ran with: Phenom II 910e; 16GB DDR2-800; onboard Gigabit Lan (RTL8111B), GF 7900 GT 512MB AGP or GF 7600 256MB PCIe; SB Audigy PCI. 1IDE-SSD, 2 SATAIII-SSDs (@SATAII), + 2 SATAII-SSDs (@SATAI). I still rather prefer the AM3+ platform... but to each his own.

Hi, which was the last occasion anyone used SLI with GPUs from the GeForce 7 series (i.e. 7900GTX)? If, what OS, and driver version? Cheers, Ragnar G.D.

Boards with full driver support have all the modern features - of 2001 (That's when XP came out, just if you don't remember). That's why this research on AM3+ was done in the first place, right?