MSI Problem solved, it was the acrobat reader that gave control back to the install, but wasn't finished yet. But still no go for Messenger 5 I made an iexpress package with messenger.msi in it following: http://greenmachine.msfnhosting.com/IEXPRESS/iexpress.htm but still no messenger 5, but the messenger 4.7 directory is empty, except for one file lvback.gif so something started but didn't finish (?) homiebrah did you install 4.7 or did you exclude it in winnt.sif?