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This is actually true, so I'm gonna try to change the trend a bit here with what we know. Essentially, there are threats out there and they can definitely affect XP. Unfortunately, Windows XP doesn't receive updates any longer and the threats out there can either come from a third party program installed or from a known vulnerability. Let's start with the latter. One of the most common examples is with SMB shares. Unfortunately, Windows XP is limited to SMBv1, as we all know, and given that this is still supported by modern version of Windows (including Windows Server in companies) as a fallback, this is generally targeted by threat actors as a way to breach a system. As result, SMB has had lots of CVE in the past and luckily they've been patched, not for the "good heart of Microsoft towards XP users", but rather 'cause they were affecting Windows Server as well, which is why Microsoft is still pushing and pushing for administrators to disable them and I feel like one day they'll just stop allowing people to enable SMBv1 altogether and force the use of SMBv3. The second most common target is, of course, RDP. Now, the RDP implementation inside XP is quite old to say the least and not only it doesn't support features like the new codecs and high frame rate (like H.264 4:4:4 encoding) etc but it also has known open CVE that will never be patched by Microsoft. Those, of course, can (and will) be exploited by threat actors. Another security vulnerability comes from the very limited support by Windows XP in terms of encryption ciphers. As we all know, XP does support kerberos and XP Professional workstations can be added to a domain and talk to a domain controller. During the handshake XP will expose the list of the ciphers it supports and the server will "agree" on one, but the problem here is that XP only supports DES CBC and RC4 HMAC, both of which are not only outdated but have very well known security vulnerabilities. In other words, it doesn't support AES and by forcing DES or RC4 the communication with the ticket granting server and the domain controller along with the other machines connected to the network isn't really safe and threat actors can exploit those to pretend to be the user in the domain. Last but not least, there are known vulnerabilities coming from the use of old programs and one of the main focus is on browsers. As you guys are probably aware, pretty much everything is based on Chromium and therefore this is the most attacked browser. As result, there are lots of 0 day vulnerabilities and CVE open that are generally quickly patched by the community, however, given that XP doesn't receive official updates, we're left with the risk of using browsers with known security vulnerabilities. If we add this to the fact that older, backported, version of Chromium like M92 and M108 also run with the sandbox disabled (as it was never ported by anyone), this leads to the perfect recipe to a good disaster. This, of course, isn't limited to Chromium, but it also involves other programs, for instance, there are known vulnerabilities for Adobe Acrobat Reader XI, there are known vulnerabilities for the last version of Java running on XP and so on and so forth. This leads us to the question: what can you do to mitigate this? To which, the answer is: be careful on what you do and keep an eye on the processes running. Personally, on top of that, I like to rely on two main things: 1) Avast 2) 0Patch The benefit of both have been vastly discussed on other topics, so I won't extend those any further, but just to recap very quickly, Avast is not just an antivirus but it plays the role of a firewall and a sandbox as well among other things, while 0patch can be used to address known vulnerabilities as a remedy for the lack of security updates. Last but not least, to the question "is the Windows XP user base actually 0?" the answer is: "it depends on how that statistic is counted/interpreted". I think that for the overwhelming majority of the people in this forum the answer would be: "Do you have XP installed and do you use it regularly?" -> Yes "Is XP your only system?" -> No

Here is a quotation from 0patch support page: Cheers, AstroSkipper

The disadvantage of MSE is that it depends on Windows updates to get the definitions. There are certain computers that can't get updated. Like those HP stream laptops with 32GB of space. I have tried Kaspersky and 360 Security. Both are light. But you get more ads with 360 Security. I forgot to say that I tried the new Zone Alarm in one of the computers in the office and it was very light but as soon as I installed it I had problems with network printers. They wouldn't work. Tried playing with the settings but there's not much to configure in the new Zone Alarm so I gave up on it. But if you don't have network printers it's alright. It's very light as well.

(offtopic) Then redirect to `old.reddit.com` with e.g. this user script: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/40897-old-reddit-please. Needs Greasemonkey for Pale Moon (not maintained any more, but still works).

@win32, as I don't have a github acc., answering the question "Why does Geforce Now claim this Browser is unsupported?" here. Try to completely disable ClientHints, not to spoof them, as I was able to use Geforce Now on an old Chrome 106, spoofed as 111 via my app. I got no unsupported warnings.

Update notification! GetEmAll! has been updated and is now in the version 1.2.4 available. I mention it because the automatic update function in New Moon 28 won't offer it. For this browser, the extension has to be downloaded manually, and its compatibility has to be adjusted in the file install.rdf manually, too, such as shown here: Original: </Description> </em:localized> <em:targetApplication name="Pale Moon"> <Description em:id="{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}" em:minVersion="29.0" em:maxVersion="32.*"/> </em:targetApplication> Modified: </Description> </em:localized> <em:targetApplication name="Pale Moon"> <Description em:id="{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}" em:minVersion="28.0" em:maxVersion="32.*"/> </em:targetApplication> Here is the link: https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/getemall/ Cheers, AstroSkipper

I used Norton Systemworks 2004 which included Norton Utilities and Norton Antivirus and was installed by me under Windows ME and XP. This antivirus version was unfortunately not very effective in preventing popups and malicious code injected by dubious websites I surfed at that times, especially if using the Internet Explorer.

Look at your "likes" and "upvotes" of the quoted post! I think the number of real Windows XP users converges towards zero, unfortunately. But one thing I can definitely say, I am a genuine Windows XP user.

that's what I call GOOD NEWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!! thanks for sharing this, I just checked on MS site (Lifecycle FAQ - Extended Security Updates) and yesss this is amazing long life to the best Microsoft OS since Windows XP, aka 8.0 | NT 6.2 | Server 2012 (R1) https://pureinfotech.com/windows-8-to-dramatically-reduce-memory-usage/

It's rather distorted perception of reality. Manufacturer and the country of origin of any product must be shown on the label. Period. It's the customer protection law. End of story. Even Vistapocalypse agrees, but you don't write your remarks under his posts. Though, I perfectly understand, jaclaz and you find my posts way more interesting, I'm an active windows user, a modder, and a nice, helpful, cheerful, sociable, like to go clubbing and making new friends, I don't have any thick/annoying accents, non-smoker, rarely drinking, sport and active lifestyle oriented man, a nice company, in general.

I expect Vista to be the worst performer in these cases: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct2d/comparing-direct2d-and-gdi

I don't understand what it has to do with the subject, please explain.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/animation Opening this page in official Pale Moon, not scrolling anywhere, 33% GPU usage. Firefox is at 3%. Will need new gaming PC to run Pale Moon before I'll need it for next-gen triple-A game title.

I never used, never heard of them before, what am I "guilty" of? Let him do his own research. Thank you for the information! Though, it's not my favourite, I already wrote many warnings, because it's well known that Opera collects enormous amounts of data and belongs to China. It was just easier to backport it to Vista, in contrast to the usual ungoogled chrome. But Opera is also not relevant here.

They do, I provided a link to a reported way to do so (small FAT32 partition+main partition). There may well be this (or that) artificial limitation due to specific UEFI implementations, of course. And of course the good MS guys did whatever they could to prevent you from using MBR style disks with UEFI, so thinking that anything outside the MS (stupidly) recommended paths with MS tools only is unthinkable. To do anything out of the ordinary you need increasingly more complex procedures, third party tools and what not, and little by little they are forcing us to recognize that what they say is the only way. jaclaz

No problem! What can I say more than this?

Agreed. But... um... I'm not going to pay for something that I know up front is just an "experiment".

Good things sometimes cost something. Only death is free. And to be honest, not even that one.

Very good choice! Windows 10 Firewall Control Plus XP has been my favourite firewall for many, many years. In the Plus version, you have much more options for configuration and the ability to also control Microsoft system services/programmes. I guess I didn't promise too much. Didn't I? Did you test it more deeply?

@roytam1 I want to thank you (once again) for maintaining NM28 for WinXP. Ever since I found out about and started using NM27 and later NM28, whenever I wanted to buy something online, I had to resort to my Android phone, because my bank website (extra security and high-tech features, of course) didn't work... until recently! Last week I found out, obviously because of lots of fixes, updates and maybe even hacks, my bank website did finally work after all this time. Much appreciated! I've never messed with stuff like this, but my pc also gets nearly unresponsive for sites like reddit, or (from the top of my head) instagram and pinterest. So how do I go about this? Do I need an add-on for this?

It is not like jaclaz has any agreement in his contract with MSFN (nor with any other third parties) to provide comments on each and every post. Unlike you, he didn't mention downvotes, I only tried to tell you how they don't exist and that you were not caring about something that does not exist. I also provided (free of charge) the results of consulting my crystal ball, and - if accurate - that will be good news for you, at least two upvotes on that post. That's it. jaclaz

My Magic Eight Ball says three.

jaclaz, people don't like warez and don't support, don't respect their distributors at MSFN, so I wouldn't be surprised, if it will get likes! I even think it will be more. I was under the impression - MSFN has no-warez policy, no?

While a month old Supermium is already at version 117! Which is current, and works even on Vista!

And your title is wrong, even the author doesn't claim his browser to be anywhere near Ungoogled! Besides, his windows 7 version is the ancient 109 from the last year, the russian didn't port anything newer! Which doesn't surprise me at all. He still "patches" the obsolete version. LOL.

I'm sorry, the information given is very confusing. I don't care how many downvotes I'll get by saying - this browser is made by a Russian, But it's my right, as a customer, to know where a product is being manufactured. It's also demanded by the law in my country, all goods must be labelled. All attempts to make a political show out of it will be promptly reported, and I'll not engage is such conversations.

Just to give you all a laugh, I'm still using Norton Utilities 2002 on XP (and Windows 98), but that's a bit off-topic as that never actually included an anti-virus option. It all still works though! BTW I don't think that list on page 1 is a 'blacklist', it's just a list of abandoned programs, which there's no point in using anyway, and Kaspersky which has well documented security concerns about it so 'use at your own risk'.

Try the PLus edition, not expiration date only a nag that go away when press refresh (green button), and so you can set advanced configuration. Plus seconfig XP and WWDC (softpedia.com) your patch to hardening go with the wind. netbios over cpip must be reenable in devmgmt.msc after seconfig XP

A few notes. Strictly speaking, there is no real need of GPT style disk for UEFI booting, though the good MS guys did introduce a few arbitrary limitations like preventing you from installing on a MBR disk (and it is entirely possible that they added a definite limitation to Windows 11) , but UEFI in itself is compatible with MBR style disks, in this cases it will consider as ESP partition the active (FAT32) partition on the disk, example of what can be done: http://reboot.pro/index.php?showtopic=22482 The requirement for processor matching is instead in the UEFI specs, so you can only install/boot a 64 bit system on a 64 bit processor machine (or a 32 bit on an extremely rare 32 bit processor). There is no "alternative" bootloader (AFAIK) to the bootmgr.efi, so it (and a valid BCD) are always needed, there are various bootmanagers/bootloaders/shims that can be booted "before" the bootmgr, but the final steps all go through bootmgr and the (valid) BCD that call the winload.efi that then proceeds to boot the OS. Specifically for Vista, its support for EFI/UEFI is reportedly since Vista Beta 2 Build 5384, but even in 7 EFI/UEFI support is far from ideal, and you need additional tricks to boot on newer UEFI systems, like using UEFISeven: https://vinaypundith.github.io/windows_7_efi_guide/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/183033-list-guide-list-of-hardware-that-supports-windows-vista-uefi-boot-and-how-to-boot-vista-with-uefi/ In other words, YMMGV. jaclaz

TBH, me neither. I am never really sure about things like that.

I just wonder why they chose America, and didn't go to Russia? Russia's not only much-much closer, it's also (by the description from several members) such a pleasant, nice country, no racism, peaceful, very peaceful. Salaries are very high, beautiful women wearing only Western-made clothes/makeup and botox is only of the highest quality. Not a single russian car on their streets, in fact, not a single russia-made anything, and Kaspersly is free for every citizen.

@NotHereToPlayGames talks about the mental illness those poor persons have, if someone tied it to the politics just to make money, it's still on-topic. In fact, they absolutely don't care about them. Though, I agree with you, we need to respect the forum rules, and he shouldn't have mentiioned politians directly. On the other hand, if not such people, who don't obey the rules, you would have nothing to post about.

Agree with this part. This nightmare is also here. The lobby is very strong worldwide. "...who have doubts about their gender identity and may be considering sex change surgery". https://www.alliancevita.org/en/2021/12/gender-french-senate-adopts-controversial-bill-on-sex-change/ Huge, huge amounts of money in this industry.

What I can do this? My computer with Q6600 (OC) 8GB RAM and SSD is very fast with this OS. It's the best!

My Windows XP computer is equipped with a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz Northwood single core CPU and only 1.5 GB SD-RAM. No SSD, no SATA but IDE harddisks. My graphic card is a NVIDIA 6200 AGP 4x one if you know what that means. The RAM can't be extended. Only three slots, and there are no 1 GB modules. The computer itself and especially the motherboard was manufactured in 2000. It's survived fires and other events before. I repair everything myself. I love my old machine! PS: And I can't send him into retirement. He has been with me for 22 years, and that would not be fair. The computer was originally delivered with Windows ME, and the partition still exists.

But, if you already use this feature, why does the Min2Tray icon bother you then? Hide it! You can access it by clicking the arrow at any time.

BTW, you need it to change the settings of Min2Tray, maintain the Minimized at startup list or the Bosskey list, and modify the short cuts. But you can hide it and access it using WindowsXP's native feature.

@mina7601! As my beta tester, what do you think about the implementation of Min2Tray in my program package? Do you like it? Does the additional systray icon bother you? Do you use or like the global feature to minimize most of all windows to the systray by right-clicking the close button?

A VM is running in a host system requiring real hardware in any case. Therefore, you must have a much more powerful computer than me, otherwise you couldn't run a VM, an OS in an OS. My Windows XP computer is more than 22 years old and can't run a VM. Too low system resources, too slow, and a 32 bit system only. BTW, in your profile, you stated Windows 11 as your main OS. Then, your computer is much more powerful than mine without knowing your exact hardware specs.

A VM is running in a host system requiring real hardware in any case. Therefore, you must have a much more powerful computer than me, otherwise you couldn't run a VM, an OS in an OS. My Windows XP computer is more than 22 years old and can't run a VM. Too low system resources, too slow, and a 32 bit system only.

I do not have much of an understanding of .PAK files in general, but I do not beleive this to be an archive at all. Open it in your favorite text editor, and you will see a lot of the contents. It appears to be various HTML, CSS, and JS Code, from my very brief investigation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I refuse to make another off-topic post in this thread, so I will put it here as an edit. @Dixel: I do not understand your obsession with labeling software and even people agents of the KGB, an agency which ceased to exist in 1991 with the fall of the USSR. Kaspersky, for example, is the only instance I know of with the creator having ties to the KGB. That being said, they offered to share their source code to prove it was not spyware for Russia. I do not see a reason they would do so if it was actually such a thing. I have not done any research to Yandex specifically, but I do not see any peculiar connections going on in my system from it. I think the idea of labelling all software and even all people from a specific region/country to be spyware/spies to be very prejudiced. I cannot speak for everyone in every country, but when I was in the middle and high school we did cover a lot about the Soviet Union, including content about the KGB. Let alone my own researching on these topics over the years. So It's not like I "just don't understand". "Did you see the reaction in the ex-kernel topic when I advised against Kaspersky ? Only a couple of people liked ..." And one of those "likes" was you. The existence of your alt account, D.Draker, is painfully obvious and clearly a source of reputation farming.

Dear TECHGEEK , please moderate this topic and cleanse it from pollution regarding Vista vs. 7/10 stuff , or create a new one , for those that in such painful lust to compare , thank you.

Yes , but in Vista they are gentle and nice , delicate .

Hey , c'mon , I thought I'm not a gamer ! xD

I have had a very sad experience with HP laptop in 2007 . In fact , I hate HP - it's utter junk in my opinion ! For those who are lazy to read , I'll make this short: I had bought a quite expensive laptop it was approx 1500 Euro in 2007 , let me remind about the inflation , it's like 2500 or so nowadays. It was an expensive gift from me to myself for my jubilee. So one could guess how I started to hate Hewlett - Packard when it literally caught fire , right after 1 year warranty , almost at my next birthday. Yes , that's right , it was burning , it's videochip to be precise . Nvidia 8600GT 512mb with fast (by that standards) DDR2 128bit memory . HP cheaped out on the cooling system , as I was told by repairmen . It was so expensive to repair it , so I decided to buy Siemens instead (made in Germany) and it was very good , fast and durable , with Vista , of course . Edit : Forgot to mention specs . DDR2 4gb RAM Nvidia 8600GT 512mb Intel Mobile CPU (don't remember the exact model , I think Core Duo , but it was fast enough) Two separate HDDs (each 250GB)

Oh , it's no secret . Some of them are : Hellgate:London ( I like all those wonderful demons), Diablo II and it's addon , Sacred 1 (frequent) and 2 (rarely , I deleted it , it didn't entertain me enough to ever get back). I like the first one more , the 1st is kinda more realistic and bloody, there are programs that can make it run in full HD. Actually , I'm not a die hard gamer . Also, I played Road Redemption DX11, but on x64 system , deleted too , I think it needs more tracks in free game mode. But it's kinda reminded me of SEGA's Road Rash which I played in 1991. And what about you ?

I don't know if I'm the only one , but Aero Snap , Aero shake , shadows under icons (yes , that thick (bold) ugly Win7 shadows , were the first things I disabled when I tested Win7 on my new laptop a decade ago (which ,sadly, came with it). Also , never pinned anything to my taskabar , I don't know why , perhaps it's just a habbit. Well , as it seems , I'm not the only one who wants this off , here's a guide (for true Vista lovers , which for some reason need Win7 for testing) how to disable it , you're welcome : https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3069-aero-snap-turn-off.html

No fight was intended , you started this marvellous topic about Vista , suddenly there are people that say other (newer WIndows) are somewhat ok too . And this is said among us (!) , Vista die-hard fans . How can it be ? This has been discussed a million times , go to Win7/8/9/10/11/12 forum and discuss it there , besides going off-topic is simply not polite.

Dear asdf2345 , I really appreciate your advice , but why would I wanna do that ? I see you are using Server 2008R2 , it's your choice and I respect it . But I use Windows Vista on all of my PCs. And this topic is about our pleasant experience with it. Please tell us about your experience with Vista.

This topic slowly turns into Vista vs. 7 nonsense ...