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Here is a quotation from 0patch support page: Cheers, AstroSkipper

This is actually true, so I'm gonna try to change the trend a bit here with what we know. Essentially, there are threats out there and they can definitely affect XP. Unfortunately, Windows XP doesn't receive updates any longer and the threats out there can either come from a third party program installed or from a known vulnerability. Let's start with the latter. One of the most common examples is with SMB shares. Unfortunately, Windows XP is limited to SMBv1, as we all know, and given that this is still supported by modern version of Windows (including Windows Server in companies) as a fallback, this is generally targeted by threat actors as a way to breach a system. As result, SMB has had lots of CVE in the past and luckily they've been patched, not for the "good heart of Microsoft towards XP users", but rather 'cause they were affecting Windows Server as well, which is why Microsoft is still pushing and pushing for administrators to disable them and I feel like one day they'll just stop allowing people to enable SMBv1 altogether and force the use of SMBv3. The second most common target is, of course, RDP. Now, the RDP implementation inside XP is quite old to say the least and not only it doesn't support features like the new codecs and high frame rate (like H.264 4:4:4 encoding) etc but it also has known open CVE that will never be patched by Microsoft. Those, of course, can (and will) be exploited by threat actors. Another security vulnerability comes from the very limited support by Windows XP in terms of encryption ciphers. As we all know, XP does support kerberos and XP Professional workstations can be added to a domain and talk to a domain controller. During the handshake XP will expose the list of the ciphers it supports and the server will "agree" on one, but the problem here is that XP only supports DES CBC and RC4 HMAC, both of which are not only outdated but have very well known security vulnerabilities. In other words, it doesn't support AES and by forcing DES or RC4 the communication with the ticket granting server and the domain controller along with the other machines connected to the network isn't really safe and threat actors can exploit those to pretend to be the user in the domain. Last but not least, there are known vulnerabilities coming from the use of old programs and one of the main focus is on browsers. As you guys are probably aware, pretty much everything is based on Chromium and therefore this is the most attacked browser. As result, there are lots of 0 day vulnerabilities and CVE open that are generally quickly patched by the community, however, given that XP doesn't receive official updates, we're left with the risk of using browsers with known security vulnerabilities. If we add this to the fact that older, backported, version of Chromium like M92 and M108 also run with the sandbox disabled (as it was never ported by anyone), this leads to the perfect recipe to a good disaster. This, of course, isn't limited to Chromium, but it also involves other programs, for instance, there are known vulnerabilities for Adobe Acrobat Reader XI, there are known vulnerabilities for the last version of Java running on XP and so on and so forth. This leads us to the question: what can you do to mitigate this? To which, the answer is: be careful on what you do and keep an eye on the processes running. Personally, on top of that, I like to rely on two main things: 1) Avast 2) 0Patch The benefit of both have been vastly discussed on other topics, so I won't extend those any further, but just to recap very quickly, Avast is not just an antivirus but it plays the role of a firewall and a sandbox as well among other things, while 0patch can be used to address known vulnerabilities as a remedy for the lack of security updates. Last but not least, to the question "is the Windows XP user base actually 0?" the answer is: "it depends on how that statistic is counted/interpreted". I think that for the overwhelming majority of the people in this forum the answer would be: "Do you have XP installed and do you use it regularly?" -> Yes "Is XP your only system?" -> No

(offtopic) Then redirect to `old.reddit.com` with e.g. this user script: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/40897-old-reddit-please. Needs Greasemonkey for Pale Moon (not maintained any more, but still works).

@win32, as I don't have a github acc., answering the question "Why does Geforce Now claim this Browser is unsupported?" here. Try to completely disable ClientHints, not to spoof them, as I was able to use Geforce Now on an old Chrome 106, spoofed as 111 via my app. I got no unsupported warnings.

Update notification! GetEmAll! has been updated and is now in the version 1.2.4 available. I mention it because the automatic update function in New Moon 28 won't offer it. For this browser, the extension has to be downloaded manually, and its compatibility has to be adjusted in the file install.rdf manually, too, such as shown here: Original: </Description> </em:localized> <em:targetApplication name="Pale Moon"> <Description em:id="{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}" em:minVersion="29.0" em:maxVersion="32.*"/> </em:targetApplication> Modified: </Description> </em:localized> <em:targetApplication name="Pale Moon"> <Description em:id="{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}" em:minVersion="28.0" em:maxVersion="32.*"/> </em:targetApplication> Here is the link: https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/getemall/ Cheers, AstroSkipper

I used Norton Systemworks 2004 which included Norton Utilities and Norton Antivirus and was installed by me under Windows ME and XP. This antivirus version was unfortunately not very effective in preventing popups and malicious code injected by dubious websites I surfed at that times, especially if using the Internet Explorer.

Look at your "likes" and "upvotes" of the quoted post! I think the number of real Windows XP users converges towards zero, unfortunately. But one thing I can definitely say, I am a genuine Windows XP user.

I expect Vista to be the worst performer in these cases: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct2d/comparing-direct2d-and-gdi

Please don't start, everyone understands it was a T9 typo, because I wrote by and buy one after another with the same meaning, in the same sentence. I'll not point my fingers at those who don't know the difference between steel and steal, who and whom and so on. As for your original question, it makes zero sense to use "thorium", you can still use the original Ungoogled for win7, since they are of the same old 109 version. With some hacks Ungoogled 110 or even 111 can be backported.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/animation Opening this page in official Pale Moon, not scrolling anywhere, 33% GPU usage. Firefox is at 3%. Will need new gaming PC to run Pale Moon before I'll need it for next-gen triple-A game title.

I never used, never heard of them before, what am I "guilty" of? Let him do his own research. Thank you for the information! Though, it's not my favourite, I already wrote many warnings, because it's well known that Opera collects enormous amounts of data and belongs to China. It was just easier to backport it to Vista, in contrast to the usual ungoogled chrome. But Opera is also not relevant here.

The disadvantage of MSE is that it depends on Windows updates to get the definitions. There are certain computers that can't get updated. Like those HP stream laptops with 32GB of space. I have tried Kaspersky and 360 Security. Both are light. But you get more ads with 360 Security. I forgot to say that I tried the new Zone Alarm in one of the computers in the office and it was very light but as soon as I installed it I had problems with network printers. They wouldn't work. Tried playing with the settings but there's not much to configure in the new Zone Alarm so I gave up on it. But if you don't have network printers it's alright. It's very light as well.

I was using Eset 5 with firewall. With a hack I was able to update definitions after XP support ended. It was updating until april 2022. I will try Kaspersky free with Outpost firewall soon because I don't like Avast. Avast makes computers slow and it can cripple the computer when you remove it.

Agreed. But... um... I'm not going to pay for something that I know up front is just an "experiment".

Good things sometimes cost something. Only death is free. And to be honest, not even that one.

Very good choice! Windows 10 Firewall Control Plus XP has been my favourite firewall for many, many years. In the Plus version, you have much more options for configuration and the ability to also control Microsoft system services/programmes. I guess I didn't promise too much. Didn't I? Did you test it more deeply?

@roytam1 I want to thank you (once again) for maintaining NM28 for WinXP. Ever since I found out about and started using NM27 and later NM28, whenever I wanted to buy something online, I had to resort to my Android phone, because my bank website (extra security and high-tech features, of course) didn't work... until recently! Last week I found out, obviously because of lots of fixes, updates and maybe even hacks, my bank website did finally work after all this time. Much appreciated! I've never messed with stuff like this, but my pc also gets nearly unresponsive for sites like reddit, or (from the top of my head) instagram and pinterest. So how do I go about this? Do I need an add-on for this?

August 6, Vistapocalypse wrote: "(which is a Russian company in case someone still doesn’t know that)?" I'm not seeing jaclaz's remarks under the post. In any case, this is of course very pleasant you only notice what I write. Though I'm not surprised, I've been told many times before, I'm an interesting man.

There's a reason they put "Made in Italy" on Ferrari, or on the marvellous Italian olive oil, or "Made in Germany" on the German BMW. Browser is also a product. So I'm not sure what you wanted to say with your remark.

Rather simple usage of the ball. Whatcha talkin' about? You asked about the version yourself. "114", ring any bells?

I want to repeat again, go and look at the "thorium" version, it's still at 109, no it's not a typo. If you want 114, the oldest Supermium is 115, perhaps try it?

jaclaz, people don't like warez and don't support, don't respect their distributors at MSFN, so I wouldn't be surprised, if it will get likes! I even think it will be more. I was under the impression - MSFN has no-warez policy, no?

And your title is wrong, even the author doesn't claim his browser to be anywhere near Ungoogled! Besides, his windows 7 version is the ancient 109 from the last year, the russian didn't port anything newer! Which doesn't surprise me at all. He still "patches" the obsolete version. LOL.

I forgot to tell, the "Thorium" author hosts warez at his website, which doesn't surprise me at all.

you should work on JP version if you want to localise it to Chinese/Korean versions.

BTW which emoji you prefer? (vote "Like" for current, "Up Vote" for another) Current(Twemoji-v14.1.2): (the rendering issue of those redesigned emoji is reported here: https://github.com/jdecked/twemoji/commit/dbb2a105307932399402c5333001e82ba67af016#commitcomment-124376242 ) Another(msemoji flat version, based on Fluent Emoji): if you want to test each one yourself, you can download them here: http://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/TwemojiMozilla-14.1.2.ttf http://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/TwemojiMozilla-msemoji.ttf

Be careful.. We're not supposed to mention that tool. But it's good to know it's working. I'm a tad spoiled over at Windows 8 Land. Here I just download and install. I have apparently two more updates coming my way. I'm not sure if what is considered to be "unspoken" will work in my case beyond that, however, I was going to stop updating Windows after October's final patch. I'll just keep updating Firefox ESR 115, and manually updating Windows Defender as long as possible. After that, I'll retire Windows 8 at the close of 2024.

I do think so, too. The extension I already forked for my private use was abandoned by the author in 2015.

TBH, me neither. I am never really sure about things like that.

Remnant II: Ultimate Edition v382788 Steam/Epic Genres: Action, Shooter, Third-person, 3D Companies: Gunfire Games, Gearbox Publishing This game requires Windows 10/11

Horizon: Zero Dawn – Complete Edition v1.11.2 Genres: Action RPG, Open world, Third-person, 3D Companies: Guerrilla Games, PlayStation Mobile This game requires Windows 10 to run! https://www.gog.com/forum/horizon_zero_dawn_complete_edition/horizon_zero_dawn_win_7

To me (it seems) you're a very rare guest in NY. They will think you're a bum, if you have no decent car, and by decent I mean decent-decent. Why won't you just agree with D.Draker, at least this once, and live happily everafter.

Perhaps you confused him with me, being born not far from each other in the seventies, I'm still not married, and not going to, I was on the verge of the most stupid decison I could ever make (marriage), in 1996-97, but somehow changed my mind and avoided it. Later it went completely off the trend. Imagine, I'd have an old wife and old children now! It's so cool to live dedicated to yourself.

I guess he just (maybe) doesn't know - one simply can't compare the states, where it's necessary to have a car, with W. Europe, where one can live without it. Municipal transport is non existent in the U.S., from what I know. Or is of low quality and has bums in it. On the other hand, I know nothing about his country, zero, except they were (are?) friends with russia and located in the East. I only recently (with the help of jaclaz) forced myself to remember it's not Hungary. Yes, no offence, when I was at school/academy, no such countries existed on the map. I have tendencies to erase info I use very rarely, so maybe I'll forget again.

Agree with this part. This nightmare is also here. The lobby is very strong worldwide. "...who have doubts about their gender identity and may be considering sex change surgery". https://www.alliancevita.org/en/2021/12/gender-french-senate-adopts-controversial-bill-on-sex-change/ Huge, huge amounts of money in this industry.

to install .NET 4.8 on Win8.0 and their .net 4.8 updates, look in this thread from another forum and here too (need to be a member there to view links) that is not the case as Mozilla recently decided to extend Win7/8.x support and the upcoming Firefox ESR 115 release WILL support those versions until late 2024. not necessarily true for 8.1 w/out the bypass tool it's not like with newer server 2012 rtm updates on win8.0; not quite the same as newer server 2012 r2 updates on win8.1 what has worked with win8.0 doesn't quite work the same with win8.1, Jody yup. fails with "we couldn't complete the updates undoing changes" error message part way. conducting my own tests with the Feb. 2023 & Mar. 2023 w8.1 embedded / server 2012 r2 updates, they fail to install on normal win8.1 editions including win8.1 core/home edition, thus agreeing with Jaguarek62's assessment. that's why that bypass tool is needed to fully install Feb. 2023 & newer updates for "client" Win8.1 edition OSes (bypass not needed for win8.1 embedded industry edition yet as that one gets support until July 2023) I know because I use a win8.1 core/home os on my father's old 2013 Toshiba satellite c55a laptop on a backup hard drive

@mina7601! And now your hardware specs, only if you want to tell me, of course!

@mina7601! Is that slow and low-resource enough for you?

My Windows XP computer is equipped with a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz Northwood single core CPU and only 1.5 GB SD-RAM. No SSD, no SATA but IDE harddisks. My graphic card is a NVIDIA 6200 AGP 4x one if you know what that means. The RAM can't be extended. Only three slots, and there are no 1 GB modules. The computer itself and especially the motherboard was manufactured in 2000. It's survived fires and other events before. I repair everything myself. I love my old machine! PS: And I can't send him into retirement. He has been with me for 22 years, and that would not be fair. The computer was originally delivered with Windows ME, and the partition still exists.

No problem! I like this native hiding feature! Glad to hear you like some of my smileys, too!

But, if you already use this feature, why does the Min2Tray icon bother you then? Hide it! You can access it by clicking the arrow at any time.

BTW, you need it to change the settings of Min2Tray, maintain the Minimized at startup list or the Bosskey list, and modify the short cuts. But you can hide it and access it using WindowsXP's native feature.

What about using Windows XP's native feature to hide inactive or unwanted icons? I described it in my documentation. Especially, because of @Dave-H!

A VM is running in a host system requiring real hardware in any case. Therefore, you must have a much more powerful computer than me, otherwise you couldn't run a VM, an OS in an OS. My Windows XP computer is more than 22 years old and can't run a VM. Too low system resources, too slow, and a 32 bit system only. BTW, in your profile, you stated Windows 11 as your main OS. Then, your computer is much more powerful than mine without knowing your exact hardware specs.

A VM is running in a host system requiring real hardware in any case. Therefore, you must have a much more powerful computer than me, otherwise you couldn't run a VM, an OS in an OS. My Windows XP computer is more than 22 years old and can't run a VM. Too low system resources, too slow, and a 32 bit system only.

I think so , yes. People need to be polite and read the rules , as far as I can see , the one who started the topic is responsible to keep the right content.

Dear TECHGEEK , please moderate this topic and cleanse it from pollution regarding Vista vs. 7/10 stuff , or create a new one , for those that in such painful lust to compare , thank you.

Yes , but in Vista they are gentle and nice , delicate .

I don't know if I'm the only one , but Aero Snap , Aero shake , shadows under icons (yes , that thick (bold) ugly Win7 shadows , were the first things I disabled when I tested Win7 on my new laptop a decade ago (which ,sadly, came with it). Also , never pinned anything to my taskabar , I don't know why , perhaps it's just a habbit. Well , as it seems , I'm not the only one who wants this off , here's a guide (for true Vista lovers , which for some reason need Win7 for testing) how to disable it , you're welcome : https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/3069-aero-snap-turn-off.html

Well , I agree it makes sense for a laptop , but for a main PC ... why ? My Vista's boot time is 5-6 seconds on the gaming PC . What are the benefits in this case ? To make it 3-4 seconds ? Besides , 2.5tb isn't too much nowadays . I have my home video footage , clips from various trips and the such , which occupy more than 10TB. I think I'm a bit older than you , though ... so it had accumulated over the years. Also, I'm still not convinced in their ability to store information for a long time (without power) and their durability. I have 10 year old Raptors (under constant use) and they still going strong. P.S. I'm not using Win7/8/10 , and Vista doesn't do any annoynig constant writing to my HDDs.