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Yep, the website is only in english but it works on all languages.

Finally, the WINDOWS UPDATE HAS COME BACK TO WINDOWS 98/ME!!!! (read this in The Rock's voice) Took it long enough... (11 YEARS!?!?) I will test the website tomorrow ASAP (98 on VM, 2000 on real computer). By the way, i would remind you that you shall do some negotiations with Legacy Update team to include V4 on their sites, if you want... We can host our private servers, you know, we already have our domain... I've just gave some facts to consider what is next... Also, you can extract all official (and unofficial) updates in the AutoPatcher for Windows 98. The real thing is rewritting the download links to make this thing working... Still, HUGE freaking congrats to all of those who made this website functional!!!!! Cheers, mates!

Yes, I want to do that.

nvm i found virus but

You can be a tester (but join the Discord as we do not publish all files on MSFN). Everyone can participate. @legacyfan You can help by being a tester too, and finding download links and updates for Windows 98/Me in all languages, or translating the existing pages. @mina7601 You can also do that too if you don't want to be a tester.

By the way, is there any compatibility with non-English OS versions?

By the way, how can I help in this project?

For the second question, you will get disappointed. The last version of IE that works properly on Windows 95 is IE 5.5 SP2. I don't really know of someone made a patch or a back port of IE6 on W95. For the first question... This is a first time i saw this type of question on forum... But probably it would work, with a lots of bugs, because it was designed to work in W95/3.xx kernel, and W2000 was on "all-new" NT kernel... Or it might won't even work...

Well in about a week and a half, Patch Tuesday arrives sans any updates for Windows 8 (as support ran out for the OS on the 12th of January). So after running System Restore, I will be running WSUS Offline and downloading February's updates for Server 2012. I'll check the bulletins for each patch and see which of the patches do not relate to server-specific code, and attempt running those. If my system updates successfully, great. I have unofficial support. If not and my system barfs, then I'll return to the last restore point. Then I'll decide if I stay with Windows 8, or go back to Windows Vista for another year (after all, my taxes will be done and I won't need any newer OS for another year.) I'll keep you posted on what happens. I may need to patch/edit the update.inf file somehow, but I'm not sure yet. This will be the first time that a Windows NT 6x based OS runs out of support, to try this experiment, so I'm eager to see what happens. Here's Greenhillmaniacs Repository of Server 2012 Patches that are Suitable for Windows 8 https://mega.nz/#F!ExhDEbDA!pUhzXKVp5-hgzvylW_btfQ

Compare your "Page Load Time" extension to the "finish" and "load" indicated in Developer Tools. You may find that your "Page Load Time" does not properly count the way some pages load - ie, javascript can tell the browser that the page is fully loaded while images are still being downloaded. I don't recall the specifics, but I know it can be done, intentionally delay image-load so that the user can read the web site while images that you have not scrolled into view are still being downloaded.

And why use an extension when the Developer Tools has a page load indicator?

Yeah, got it. Thanks.

English is fine for testing, but not everyone is english :/ Let's find updates in more languages.

thanks @WULover I'll do my best!

i changed my os name to win 7 to get new malwarebytes

New Malwarebytes works great with vista need jut to change windows 6.0 to windows 6.1 for install then remove the 1 from windows 6.1 after install. It crashes sometimes

if there's anything I could do for the project I would be willing to pitch in as well to help this great project (because windows needs saving)

I agree 100%, would be a great idea imo.

Serpent (2023/04/13) does not work properly with eBay. Bidding or sending offers is no longer possible. There's also still a less serious but nevertheless long-standing issue with the watchlist page on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/mye/myebay/watchlist Serpent incorrectly renders the iframe horizontally which necessitates scrolling from left to right. Thanks

Yeah but it still works tho if you scan the QR Code

And then WhatsApp's icon becomes gray, and "(Outdated)" appears next to its name in the window title.

If you download an older installer (.exe) and install it on Windows 7/8.1 it will automatically say that there is an update available and will internally update the app to the latest version. All you can‘t do is to install it directly

1. I don't have such hardware. 2. It is definitely off-topic for this thread.

@SweetLow Do you think you might be able to figure out why Windows 98's ESDI_506.PDR driver fails to load when booting off of the SD card interface on rasteri's WeeCee and Eivind's Tinyllama 1 and 2. They both use this "RDC SD-IDE Host Controller" device that works fine in 2000 and XP, but 98 doesn't like it for some as yet undiscovered reason. Do you think you might be interested in solving this?

I definitely noticed it on my end. The JavaScript feels smoother in more recent releases of New Moon...not sure if there's been some code optimization but anything that can be done to enhance the JS speed is always welcome. (Of course, with JS turned off all New Moon releases I've tried are lightning fast, but there are precious few sites now that don't use it.) Up until very recently I noticed I still needed to install Palefill--this seems to have changed (and it is nice to have WebComponents enabled!) but as Ramon said, I think it is better to download Palefill anyway as a precautionary measure. Things can & do happen.

palefill becomes indeed mostly useless with the latest browsers based on the latest UXP versions, this also includes IceApe-UXP and BNavigator and the main stream Pale Moon and Basilisk. I would still suggest you keep it in simply disabled in your Add on list so that you can re-enable quickly it in case something stops working.

It was indeed designed for a totally different browser concept in mind - The one of a minimalist browser without much customization features and which basically is similar to the Chromium model in many ways. Everything old... the old UI and it's customization features, add-ons and themes stood in the way of Mozilla to make a Chrome clone without actually being Chrome - and being able to appeal that way to all the Chrome users (and we already know that backfired MASSIVELY )

But that's not what you said earlier: So first it was, UXP needs Rust to properly implement m10s mode; now adding Rust code to UXP would just be "useless cruft." Which is it? I also sense a straw-man argument. I didn't say MCP should incorporate Rust code into UXP, only that they could, if they felt it was necessary. (Actually, I'm surprised they didn't do so back when MAT was there, just to make our lives more difficult.) Come on; the "defining feature" of Chrome isn't multi-process, it's Googlisms: frequent additions to JS/CSS, proposed by Google, Inc., that require equally frequent browser updates to implement, thus ensuring obsolescence of any browser not backed by a development team large enough to implement the continual flow of new Googlisms. (Of course we have seen at least one "Mozilla-ism," so Google isn't the only one playing this game; but it's quite clear that Google is far and away the dominant player.) In theory that would probably work! The only problem is, companies at that scale are less committed to "philosophy," so it's easier for them either to just start with the dominant engine - Cr - and add their own flourishes (M$), or to work out a tech-sharing agreement with Google (Mozilla and - probably - Apple). That is true as well. E10s is certainly not for the smaller, slower systems many users are running XP on, and it makes less difference on 64-bit systems with essentially unlimited virtual RAM. It's probably best suited for larger, faster 32-bit systems, since you can use more virtual RAM without "maxing out" and crashing a single process. One nice thing about the implementation we have in Serpent is that it can keep e10s on a rather tight leash, limiting the number of processes to fit your PC's resources. Cr, OTOH, spawns processes like crazy - often several per tab. Even though they're generally rather small, they can quickly overwhelm a smaller PC if you open a lot of tabs.

Guys i have the latest version of ext kernel but spotify still doesn't work. I noticed in @YukkuriSphoto that the shortcut is for "SpotifyLauncher.exe" located in C:\Program Files, what is it???? I have Spotify.exe shortcut located in Appdata\Roaming. And also the installer gives me: "Can't find entry point in TryAcquireSRWLockExclusive in Kernel32.dll". What do i have to do to get spotify working??????

and actually you can experience how MC frustrated on trying to port PM front-end to moebius but failed because of other browser components requiring major reverts/rewrites to get PM front-end working. this progress "itself" is fun. just I don't have enough wisdom to make it go further this time in the moment. maybe I will revisit it again in the future.

thats a hole connects to abyss. and we don't know the thing comes from abyss is a bless or a curse.

it is still a problem that mypal68 can't produce x64 build, since rustc/rust-stdlib still has some problems that feodor2 doesn't fix/workaround in the moment.

Since it provides important context but is only a few lines longer, here's the actual start of that thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15278883 And that was written six years ago. Things have only gotten worse. For example, the Big Four are now the Big Three since Microsoft threw in the towel and jumped on the Cr bandwagon. I don't think Rust is a no-go for MCP, since they're targeting Win 7 and up. It would certainly complicate @roytam1's job and our lives, but @feodor2 has found ways to compile Rust code for XP; e.g., MyPal 68 - so Rust wouldn't necessarily be a show-stopper for us either. M10s doesn't fully solve the memory issues though. I have m10s active at work (32-bit WinXP) and while it lets me use Outlook.com for a while, eventually the process gets over 1 GB (!), the CPU usage goes to 99%, and I have to close the tab, wait for everything to calm down, then click "Undo Close Tab," after which I'm fine for a while longer until the cycle repeats. They really need to limit the cache size somehow, Rust or no Rust. It's worse than that: modern web pages are designed to work properly only on Chromium-based browsers. (Well, plus Safari, but I suspect if we could see Safari's code, it would look more like Cr than even modern FF. Whether we like it or not (in my case, definitely not, but it doesn't change the reality), Google's Chrome and Cr-based offshoots like Edge and (barely) Opera dominate today's browser landscape. While I criticize Mozilla for duplicating way too much of Chrome's look and feel, we're lucky that even modern FF exists as something of an alternative at all, let alone UXP.

Excellent! Glad you are the sharing type @SweetLow.

Thank you! I'll try it and send results. Oh and sorry if insisted i didn't know that you didn't have much time

Sorry it took such a long time, but I've just added a new version that should work with the new Extended Kernel release. Be aware though that it has had very limited testing so far as I've unfortunately had very little time recently!

I really should have started my own thread, about running from USB. For my part, it's running from memory; but booted from USB. I run most Win9x systems this way, but not always booting from USB. This is just another note/update. I recently ran into, on and off, blue screen parity errors. On this particular machine, I was using memdisk (Syslinux) with Grub2. It could've been an issue, with the shared Video memory. It is fixed in BIOS at 32mb. I think it was more likely something to do with how Windows/Himem.sys calculates available memory, when using some memory for a HardDisk image. The machine has 1.5gb of RAM. The disk image is 300mb (on the dot). When Windows did successfully load, it would report around 1200mb of memory. After loading, there does not seem to be any stability issues. There is probably some hardware/software initializing sequence, that determines the pass or fail. My assumption would be that this is "more" related to my hardware's initialization. By the time Windows gets a chance to load, the difference between pass or fail has likely already been set. Several memory sticks were swapped out. Some 512mb and others 1Gb. I never tested with only the built in 512mb (this is a laptop). Memory tests cleared the memory as healthy. I am running with Rloew's memory patch. The solution has been to set "MaxPhysPage=", in SYSTEM.INI, and under the "[386Enh]" section. When you figure the amount to set, the drive image must be included in your calculation. You do not set how much memory you expect to see reported in "System Properties". You set that amount, plus the HardDisk image amount. Take the total desired amount, in megabytes, multiplied by 256 and converted into hexadecimal. There is now no occasional parity error, and I have near total memory available. I wasn't sure it that was going to be the case. I started with a setting well below the total amount, and then worked my way up. As this is a live HardDrive image, I could've saved and booted the "live" image, after each adjustment. I just used Qemu, from the live environment, and booted the stored image file to Dos. The Dos text editor provides a quick modification path, to "SYSTEM.INI". This saves on USB writes and time. There may be a different solution. For now, this seems to work great.

Now installers for NT5.x work! Download from https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsVjtW11rJfA3FQANrgg_QXRMgfx?e=lCF2lV, run it on your system and everything will work! Installers for NT6.x currently do not work. I'm testing them.

I have had problems, using HxD, to save RAM images over 350Mb. When using Grub4dos, the error is "Stream Read Error". With Grub2/Memdisk(from Syslinux), there is no error. But when you boot the saved image, there is filesystem corruption. I'm not entirely sure it is the size of the image, causing the problem. It could be specific machines. I haven't investigated it very much. A work around is a Dos USB/Fat32 drive and Partition Saving. This won't work, if the available Dos USB drivers don't work for your machine. There are some good Dos USB drivers out there. But even the "demo" Dosusb drivers operate long enough, to do a back-up. Note:These drivers don't work with "EMM386". The other problem, is that Partition saving adds a very small header. It needs to be cut off, after saving. If your machine has no PS2 keyboard support, you may have to add a batch file to "C:\Windows\Dosstart.bat". "Partition Saving" can be automated through a configuration file. Then you just exit to Dos, and your batch handles it for you. Note:If you have prevented Windows from installing a Driver, for a specific USB, your BIOS PS2 Emulation may still work.

I'm sure there are ways. For me, I would just disable GUI boot in MSDOS.SYS. Then you could use a Dos boot menu with options for different configurations. Each option would, by batch, modify your "active" hardware profile. It would do so by using the Dos registry tool. You could also ignore the profile and just modify which hardware needs to be enabled/disabled. An issue arises, if you have a machine without BIOS USB to Serial Keyboard emulation. The boot menu would do you no good. In that situation, you could load both a floppy and harddisk image. Transfer your MSDOS.SYS, CONFIG.SYS, and AUTOEXEC.BAT to the foppy image. The floppy would carry the batch for system configuration, or AUTOEXEC.BAT would run one on the Hardisk. But you would need a floppy image for each configuration. Then you could just use a bootloader with USB keyboard support.

Win98 installations support multiple hardware configurations. Is there a way to select pre-launch which will be used?

What happens when you install the USB drivers for Windows? Booting Win98 from USB uses BIOS to provide the USB drive as drive C:. When you install USB drivers, it will cause problems. So, you could just never use USB. But if you have enough memory, - You could setup Win98se on the computer, drivers and all - Reduce it in size, unless you have a lot of memory - Create a harddrive img or vhd file large enough to hold your Windows install. - Use Virtualbox or something to make the harddrive image a system disk, using a Win98 floppy image. (Create one from your install, if you installed any update that modified MsDos 7 Boot files.) - Copy you Windows installation to the harddrive image. (Do not overwrite MsDos 7 boot files.) - Format your USB drive as FAT32. - Install Grub4Dos to the USB drive. - Then configure Grub4Dos to enable USB support and boot the Win98 harddrive image from memory. Every time you shutdown any changes will be lost. You can get around this by installing the HxD hex editor, and using it to copy the entire drive image to a new file. You do this "while" Windows is running. Then you swap the saved image with the new one you just created. You do this before shutdown or reboot. Some changes try to reboot Windows when they are finished. Like installing DirectX. Most of the time you are given a prompt, with an "OK" button. Run HxD and save the image before clicking the "OK" prompt. If you are given no prompt, you'll need to modify your harddrive boot image to start in Safe mode, on next boot. Then boot the harddrive image in VirtualBox or something. Finally, install whatever caused a reboot without prompting you first. As an additional tip, use or create portable applications. Also install those portable application to you USB drive, not the Windows harddrive image. That is, unless you have a huge amount of memory. You'll want to set a permanent drive letter for you USB drive, from the Drive's "Device Manager" properties. You'll probably want to move the default Windows and Dos temporary folders to a folder on the USB drive. Again, you'll want to assign a permanent drive letter to your USB drive You'll also have to decide if you want you Virtual memory enabled or not. It saves room on the harddrive image if you disable it. Drive C: will be running in "Dos Compatibility Mode". But it won't really matter. If you get a warning about your boot sector potentially being infected/corrupted, it is because you booted the image by it's partition and not as the drive. Nothing is wrong. Grub4Dos creates fake boot data to initiate the boot.

Very good!!!!! Finally some good news. Can't wait to see completed v3.1!!! Still, the big problems with v4 website are still not solved. The second most important WU website, after v6, imo. I'm gonna check if that v3.1 website is working on my W98 VM! Welp, for some reason, it redirects me to the 404 error, so i can't see it in the moment.

Nothing is currently complete, we won't make a guide until Windows Update is fully working

Happy New Year

We currently only can get it to work on w98. Also, this doesn't mean we can get all updates for 95. A lot of files are missing.

In my opinion, and it's because of version 3 WU, i would go on Windows 95 and NT 4 (Server and Workstation versions). Also you said about getting new inventory system until 2002. Windows 95 was supported until December 31st 2001. (it's a shame that it wasn't long supported) So this does mean that it can recognize all W95 updates with this updated inventory system that has surpassed W95 EOL. You should especially focus on getting this working on 95 with different IE browser versions. (on some browsers it does work, on some it doesn't)

In my childhood, the real deal was the Nokia Symbian OS and Series 60 feature phones. Nowdays, my favorite smartphone OS are Android 4xx series and IOS 9. Visually perfect in comparason of today's minimalistic OS-es.

What you're seeing here is nothing more than custom drawn frame by the program displaying the help page. If you want Windows 7 theme on Windows 8.1, try this one: https://deviantart.com/damonkeyoncrack/art/Aero7-V2-for-Windows-8-8-1-429412929

Don't forget that there is always the option of using a virtual machine for Windows 8 or any other legacy OS.