My Browser Builds (Part 5)

[modnar]

On 8/28/2025 at 5:42 PM, NotHereToPlayGames said:

 

You only cite "Serpent 52.9".  I use Serpent 52.9 *daily* (for texting from home computer as I do not own a phone!).

Therefore, I feel compelled to report, as a *daily* user of "Serpent 52.9", that I do not get this small save-file window.

I personally use the below version as I have always had issues with SESSION-RESTORE not working in anything "newer".

I have not tried any "newer" version in the last couple of month or so because doing so has somewhat become a "waste of my time" as SESSION-RESTORE issues are never in the changelog!

Serpent 52.9 2023-07-31 "about" pic

Thank you for reply. I use the latest Serpent 52.9 (my main browser) and today it works fine.

I guess it had nothing to do with Serpent now because I often run experiments with FSFilters on my machine to find the most optimum configuration and it must have been the filter cascade that triggered that or maybe not - root certificates might also have contributed: 28.8. are the newest and I did have the latest when I experienced this.

Edited August 30 by modnar

[VistaLover]

On 8/29/2025 at 5:49 AM, Mathwiz said:

I can log in successfully using r3dfox (Win 7+ only;

Slight correction: Vista+ only, for quite some time now  ...

https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox

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r3dfox is a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista & 7.

[VistaLover]

On 8/26/2025 at 3:38 PM, kuja killer said:

i tried both the "sse" version you did, the non sse and the ia32 - although i have no idea what the difference is between them all

Different builds exist based on the capacities/age of the processor (CPU) on the machine the browser build is to be launched; if your CPU is archaic and doesn't support the SSE instructions set, use the -ia32 variant (sometimes referred to as "-nosse"); if your CPU is somewhat newer and does support SSE (but not SSE2), use the -sse variant; if your CPU does support SSE2 (and later), then you should use the "normal" build, whose filename ends in just "-xpmod.7z"...

PS: Not relevant for XP users, but if you're on Win7+ x64 OS and want to use roytam1's NM28_x64 fork (you may have your reasons ), there's a fourth (64-bit, only) build variant that's meant for CPUs supporting AVX2 ; filename ending in "-w7plus-avx2.7z"...

So, now you know  ...

[jaclaz]

It seems that - starting today - Discourse based forums are not anymore accessible (with Palemoon/Newmoon 27.9.6).

Is there a (new) version (of NewMoon/Serpent/whatever)  that still works (running on XP 32 bit)?

 

[raddy]

44 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

It seems that - starting today - Discourse based forums are not anymore accessible (with Palemoon/Newmoon 27.9.6).

On *moon 28.x.x,  forums using Discourse have not been working for a long time for me.

 

49 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

Is there a (new) version (of NewMoon/Serpent/whatever)  that still works (running on XP 32 bit)?

Try supermium or another chromium.

[jaclaz]

35 minutes ago, raddy said:

On *moon 28.x.x,  forums using Discourse have not been working for a long time for me.

They needed this user script:

https://msfn.org/board/topic/184051-my-browser-builds-part-4/page/203/#findComment-1258499

but until yesterday they worked just fine with it.

Maybe there is another (new) userscript needed.

Will try supermium.

[raddy]

1 hour ago, jaclaz said:

They needed this user script:

https://msfn.org/board/topic/184051-my-browser-builds-part-4/page/203/#findComment-1258499

Wow, ublock filter work for me (new moon current version), userscript - no, thanks.

[VistaLover]

9 hours ago, raddy said:

ublock filter works for me (new moon current version),

I've made the uBO-legacy custom filter even more generic, because I've come across Discourse-based forums where the browser detecting script wasn't served from within an "assets" subfolder  ; so, the version I'm currently using is: 

! Discourse-based forums
||*/browser-detect-$script,important

 

11 hours ago, jaclaz said:

but until yesterday they worked just fine with it.

Maybe there is another (new) userscript needed.

The now broken  userscript just told Discourse's browser-feature-detection script that "CSS aspect-ratio (Fx-89+)" IS supported in UXP-based browsers; maybe Discourse  are now looking for something new entirely or, besides CSS aspect-ratio, for additional (recent) features that the userscript (and, alas, UXP) doesn't support... A very savvy person would have to dissect the new version of Discourse's script, identify what new things they search for now and author a new userscript... 

Discourse, in March, issued the following announcement: 

https://meta.discourse.org/t/dropping-ios-15-other-old-browsers-in-july-2025/358131

so it's probably one or more of the new requirements there that broke things; FWIW, relative color syntax & subgrid aren't supported in UXP, probably the same applies to import-maps ...

Recent upstream forum thread about Discourse's shenanigans : 

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=32600

Last post there is from Aug 13th, though...

 

[Karla Sleutel]

On 8/31/2025 at 2:23 AM, jaclaz said:

Is there a (new) version (of NewMoon/Serpent/whatever)  that still works (running on XP 32 bit)?

In the whatever category.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/183495-mypal-68/

[Karla Sleutel]

On 8/30/2025 at 4:32 PM, VistaLover said:

Slight correction: Vista+ only, for quite some time now  ...

Slight correction: Vista+ without the extended kernel for quite some time now  ...

[raddy]

3 hours ago, Karla Sleutel said:

In the whatever category.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/183495-mypal-68/

Discourse? On MyPal? Seriously?

[kuja killer]

On 8/21/2025 at 4:13 PM, VistaLover said:

So did I now: 

https://developer.paypal.com/tools/sandbox/

so probably NOT what you're after  ; if you're limited to using UXP-based browsers (on Windows XP SP3?), then am afraid they're now dead in the water with regards to PayPal; the issue needs to be escalated upstream by users of the "official" UXP browsers (Pale Moon and Basilisk, on Win7SP1+), in the hope upstream can come up with a solution, but the relevant PMForum thread hasn't seen any further activity since July 30th...

OT for this thread, but you may also appeal for help to Feodor2 in MyPal's GitHub issue tracker ; if still on XP, you might try how the Supermium browser fares on PayPal these days; might prove your only recourse...

Hey there i decided to just give this supermium a try for a minute even though i swore to myself i'd never touch anything chrome related again after my bad experiences from many years ago... first of all.. i did not get a BSOD when closing the program luckily (which happened about 50/50 every time on the original chrome ages ago (not a fork)... so i hope this will be okay, first time trying the supermium today.

so i went to paypal first thing... and something strange did happen... the second i clicked on the "login" link at the top of page...and the email/pass screen appearing - i got a popup from Windows Firewall about "win32" or something...which i assume was the supermium ...so i clicked unblock -- i didn't seem to get any "hcaptcha" or "please wait for security challenge" and no "slide your mouse" screen either... so your right it actually did work to my surprise.

Still doesnt at all on anything else like Serpent here, the mypal, or the palemoon (the stupid slide mouse, your blocked -- on all of them) - but wow it worked for now at least in the superium... i also checked the Windows Firewall stuff right after and found an entry from superium "chrome.exe" - so i assume thats what that popup was about....is that somehow related to this whole paypal issue not working in all the other's ?

Edited 2 hours ago by kuja killer

[NotHereToPlayGames]

49 minutes ago, kuja killer said:

is that somehow related to this whole paypal issue not working in all the other's ?

Yes!

Because Supermium uses the OPERATING SYSTEM'S "certificate store" and the firewall flagged that the "cert store" was being updated.

Now that the OS's cert store is getting your paypal working, you could try importing the OS certs into the non-chrome browsers.

[kuja killer]

28 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Yes!

Because Supermium uses the OPERATING SYSTEM'S "certificate store" and the firewall flagged that the "cert store" was being updated.

Now that the OS's cert store is getting your paypal working, you could try importing the OS certs into the non-chrome browsers.

Hmm i see... umm where would i find this specific certificate(s) at ? Since clicking the import button on the tabs in serpent ask for "certificate file" or "PKCS12 file" - umm i dont have a clue where that would be located. or what the name of this file is even called
Im sorry for my newbie-ness here.

Edited 1 hour ago by kuja killer

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Well...  Um...

When I was a know-it-all college kid, I was a "death to IE, Firefox ONLY" punk!

My bias to use Firefox and NOTHING ELSE ended up nearly getting my fired!

FIREFOX let a virus in and three production facilities were shut down completely for several hours.

All because I would never touch anything but Firefox.

 

My answer to you, and you're not going to like it, is that you just may have to learn to know when to use CHROME and when you can stick with your already-stated bias against anything Chrome.