NotHereToPlayGames Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 Here, let's break it down this way. Belgium population as of today per Worldometer is 11,744,248. But only 8.6 million of those 11.7 million are internet users per Wikipedia. 3.6 million are fixed broadband, 3.5 million are mobile broadband. And you know that many will overlap and be both. The 3.6 million fixed broadband are not limited to only these three, but the three biggest providers in Belgium are Orange Belgium, Telenet, and VOO. So just by IP Address alone, those 3.6 million are already narrowed down to 1.2 million. And we haven't even touched user agent or "variations" or OS or browser. Just how many people in Belgium do you think have even heard of SUPERMIUM? I guarantee you that using SUPERMIUM has that 1.2 million narrowed down to LESS THAN A HUNDRED! In all of Belgium! WAY LESS! There are only 2.3k "stars" on the GitHub "insights" page. You really need to make sure that SUPERMIUM "looks like" CHROME and not like SUPERMIUM if you are worried about "fingerprints". An EMPTY "variations" field STANDS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB!
Saxon Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 13 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: I agree. But I think you are still missing a small factoid. A *million* people can install Ungoogled, any version of Ungoogled, on any OS capable of running Ungoogled, and they all share that same exact Unique ID. So "unique" may indeed imply "one number", but it does NOT imply "one person out of billions on the globe". No, when I allow "variations" fingerprinting to get executed, I have a different tag, not like on the picture you shared with us, and then deleted with the wise advice by @Dixel. 2
Saxon Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 13 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Belgium population as of today per Worldometer is 11,744,248. Yes, and the majority of them is being rich. 13 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Just how many people in Belgium do you think have even heard of SUPERMIUM? Probably, 10-15. 13 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: I guarantee you that using SUPERMIUM has that 1.2 million narrowed down to LESS THAN A HUNDRED! I think, closer to zero, read the first sentence of my reply. It's only a handful of die-hard old computers lovers, everyone else just buys new and shiny, hence no need of Supermium or the such. 2
Saxon Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 13 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Belgium population as of today per Worldometer is 11,744,248. Actually, is 11,763,650 (January 2024). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Belgium And most of internet users are on their phones, especially those born after 1997-2000. 3
NotHereToPlayGames Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 (edited) 9 hours ago, Saxon said: No, when I allow "variations" fingerprinting to get executed, I have a different tag Your ONE TRACK MIND is missing the BIGGER PICTURE. I'm not reducing this conversation to "variations", YOU ARE. I could CARE LESS about the "variations" tag - IT IS BUT ONE OUT OF THOUSANDS OF DATA POINTS. The bottom line is YOU HAVE AN INTERNET FINGERPRINT. PERIOD. YOU want to act like your "variations" tag is proof that you do not have an internet fingerprint. THAT is your delusion. Again, I could CARE LESS about "variations" tag. YOU serve this fingerprinting discussion ZERO WORTH by always always always reducing it to "variations" alone. I'm done. BRING ASTROSKIPPER TO THE CONVERSATION IF YOU REALLY WISH TO CONTINUE. YOU DO LISTEN TO HIM. Edited October 11, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames
hidao Posted October 12, 2024 Posted October 12, 2024 16 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Your ONE TRACK MIND is missing the BIGGER PICTURE. I'm not reducing this conversation to "variations", YOU ARE. I could CARE LESS about the "variations" tag - IT IS BUT ONE OUT OF THOUSANDS OF DATA POINTS. The bottom line is YOU HAVE AN INTERNET FINGERPRINT. PERIOD. YOU want to act like your "variations" tag is proof that you do not have an internet fingerprint. THAT is your delusion. Again, I could CARE LESS about "variations" tag. YOU serve this fingerprinting discussion ZERO WORTH by always always always reducing it to "variations" alone. I'm done. BRING ASTROSKIPPER TO THE CONVERSATION IF YOU REALLY WISH TO CONTINUE. YOU DO LISTEN TO HIM. My bad english let me don't to know what you two said...
dmiranda Posted October 12, 2024 Posted October 12, 2024 (edited) 17 hours ago, hidao said: My bad english let me don't to know what you two said... It's an old discussion (among chromium users) on how and whether it is possible to avoid fingerprinting. My understanding is that it is impossible in chromium and (most) firefox derivatives. There are two routes in some firefox derivatives (not in official firefox). First: the look alike strategy, best accomplished by torbrowser, if you run it through tails. Second: be always unique (every time with new uniqueness) which can be achieved through arkenfox, specially when supplemented by proxying tor (and also best in tails). I don't think chromium (ungoogled or not) allows for (effective) use of either of those strategies. For supermium (including ublock and umatrix) the jshelter addon may be a good profilactic solution to resist most basic forms of fingerprinting. Be well. EDIT: I was able to tweak jshelter for use in old versions of mypal68 (vanilla), not anymore. But I haven't truly tried. Edited October 12, 2024 by dmiranda
dmiranda Posted October 12, 2024 Posted October 12, 2024 Of course, (effectively) preventing (not so much with faking) fingerprinting means forgetting about social media and will result in systematic cloudfare (and other forms of fingerprinting) failure, unless you create exceptions in your defense (which defeats the purpose). 1
Guest Posted October 13, 2024 Posted October 13, 2024 10% of Alexa's top 100000 sites use fingeprinting techniques. For what purpose? Most only for advertising purposes. Read here: https://github.com/Kees1958/W3C_annual_most_used_survey_blocklist How can fingeprinting be blocked? There are 2 methods that can complement each other. The direct method blocks features that may violate your privacy. Think of the WebRTC block...........etc..... The indirect one relies on blocking entrusted to filter lists,dynamic adblocker filtering,native browser features,DNS......etc..... Much more insidious is the initial fingeprinting that can precede a remote infection. The purpose is probing through your browser's “open door” of your lines of defense and obviously whether they can be overcome. Otherwise the compromise of the system does not proceed further,it stops only at the attempt to violate your privacy and the “automated system” looks for an additional victim easier to attack successfully. If you have set up multiple lines of defense (not the only line of defense entrusted to the adblocker and filter lists) the more inefficient will be the fingeprinting,even that for advertising purposes. The flip side of this coin is website compatibility. A compromise must always be found.
dmiranda Posted October 13, 2024 Posted October 13, 2024 7 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said: If you have set up multiple lines of defense (not the only line of defense entrusted to the adblocker and filter lists) the more inefficient will be the fingeprinting,even that for advertising purposes. True that.
NotHereToPlayGames Posted October 13, 2024 Posted October 13, 2024 (edited) 8 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said: the “automated system” looks for an additional victim easier to attack successfully Like somebody on XP or Vista perhaps? Or, more seriously, somebody that will have twenty lines of defense but disables ten of them so that their "social media" will function. Edited October 13, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames
dmiranda Posted October 13, 2024 Posted October 13, 2024 27 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Or, more seriously, somebody that will have twenty lines of defense but disables ten of them so that their "social media" will function. A smart approach entails using separate profiles (or browsers) for different tasks. As I once wrote in one of your 360chrome treads, I used to use said browsers for social media letting them spy on each other, training ggbots on my youtube tastes on music so they could then go on, properly equipped, to conquer the world. Instead, I used a truly hardened serpent (oh my) to do my work, and used a tor proxy (and further hardening) to go places where I didn't want to be noticed. With different instruments, the song remains the same.
mina7601 Posted October 19, 2024 Posted October 19, 2024 A new version of Supermium came out since yesterday! https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/releases/tag/v126-r4 @Dave-H Yes, your feature request has been added! 3
hidao Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/14/2024 at 2:10 AM, dmiranda said: A smart approach entails using separate profiles (or browsers) for different tasks. As I once wrote in one of your 360chrome treads, I used to use said browsers for social media letting them spy on each other, training ggbots on my youtube tastes on music so they could then go on, properly equipped, to conquer the world. Instead, I used a truly hardened serpent (oh my) to do my work, and used a tor proxy (and further hardening) to go places where I didn't want to be noticed. With different instruments, the song remains the same. The version 122.0.6261.152 is work well for me ,so I think it's not necessery to update for me
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