NotHereToPlayGames Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 (edited) My only suggestion is to TAKE A STEP BACK. Right now, you are only hearing what you WANT to hear. BY ALL MEANS, INVITE ASTROSKIPPER TO THE CONVERSATION, YOU AT LEAST LISTEN TO HIM, EVEN WHEN HE SAYS THE SAME EXACT THING I SAID. Again, take a step back. After you've done that, then consider this simple truth - an EMPTY variation and a ONE-NUMBER variation ARE THE SAME EXACT THING. A full fingerprint can NOT be established by an EMPTY OR A ONE-NUMBER variation. The forenseics expert NEEDS MORE DOTS. Now then, YOU ARE CORRECT that if the variations contains MULTIPLE NUMBERS, then that variation ALONE can be enough "dots" for that forensics expert. But empty, "null", or ONE NUMBER are all the same thing to that forensics expert - "inconclusive, need other dots to establish fingerprint". All users of Ungoogled "share my number". So I'm not being identified, I'm only being narrowed down. Your EMPTY string does the same exact thing. It does not identify you, but it does the same exact "narrowing down". THAT IS HOW FINGERPRINTING WORKS. One data point "narrows down" the list. A second data point "narrows it down further". A third data point "narrows it down even more". Get enough data points and you have narrowed down the entire global population to ONE PERSON. Edited October 8, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames
xjani Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 (edited) On 10/7/2024 at 5:55 PM, Dave-H said: The Sourceforge site seems to work fine here, in 360Chrome, Supermium, and Thorium. At least the homepage looks fine. What are you actually trying to do there? On 360Chrome it doesn't work, and on Supermium v126 it opens, but the file can't be downloaded with it from this page. I tested on XP Edited October 8, 2024 by xjani
Saxon Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 On 10/8/2024 at 1:24 AM, NotHereToPlayGames said: You are DENSE, you know that? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. A unique number and EMPTY are the SAME EXACT THING as far as a FINGERPRINT is concerned. IT IS A UNIQUE IDENTIFIER, ONE DOT ON THAT FINGERPRINT. So, you prefer to have a unique ID number of the tiny Supermium userbase, or an empty string? Ungoogled userbase isn't huge either. 4
user57 Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 44 minutes ago, Saxon said: So, you prefer to have a unique ID number of the tiny Supermium userbase, or an empty string? Ungoogled userbase isn't huge either. a fingerprint ? its just a infrared light (flash) that red light is used as flash on your finger - then a sensor record that image that image is then compared with all "finger-pictures" it has in the databank like being a criminal :-) a few also look for the finger temperator with a second sensor (but why, then you hold that guys cutted finger under your arm - and that finger has the right temperature) the iris scanner is working similiar - the iris is even a little more unique - im not certain what light is used - but also it is a picture
NotHereToPlayGames Posted October 9, 2024 Posted October 9, 2024 8 hours ago, Saxon said: So, you prefer to have a unique ID number of the tiny Supermium userbase, or an empty string? Ungoogled userbase isn't huge either. That is EASY. I prefer the unique ID number. The goal is to not jump through a hoop that narrows you down. By just ALLOWING the unique ID number of the tiny Ungoogled or the tiny Supermium userbase is one thing. To jump through a hoop by modifying Ungoogled or Supermium to an EMPTY STRING, you just put yourself into a VERY SMALL FRACTIONAL SUBSET of that alreay tiny userbase. I THINK YOU ARE FINALLY CATCHING ON! The goal is to BLEND IN WITH THE CROWD, not jump through hoops to create an EMPTY STRING that makes you STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.
VistaLover Posted October 9, 2024 Posted October 9, 2024 (edited) On 10/7/2024 at 6:24 PM, xjani said: Unable to open a site that uses -> cloudflare human verification Can this verification be bypassed? For example: I can't download anything from the https://sourceforge.net/ website. On 10/8/2024 at 9:52 PM, xjani said: On 360Chrome it doesn't work, and on Supermium v126 it opens, but the file can't be downloaded with it from this page. I tested on XP Greetings; yes, you're posting in the Supermium thread, so you must be using the Supermium browser ; but it would've helped greatly if you mentioned already from the beginning the specific version of Supermium used and the OS you're on ... As for Win XP (SP3?) x86, there have been several pending issues in the official Supermium tracker already: https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/940 https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/867 https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/797 https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/444 This appears to be an XP-exclusive issue... As for sourceforge, Supermium versions 121-r2, 122-r6, 124-r2 and 126-r3 (all 32-bit) DO NOT trigger here the cloudflare anti-bot protection ; all are "dirty" profiles, different to each other, with several extensions installed; OS is Vista SP2 x86... KafanMiniBrowser (Cr87) and 360EEv13.x (Cr86) BOTH trigger the CF "protection" and I can tell you it's practically IMPOSSIBLE to pass the challenge on those two browsers; in desperation, I tried a fresh new profile of KMB (with no extensions) and I eventually managed to pass the test only once after maybe twenty successive attempts; but it gets worse, because access to sourceforge.net is shortlived (despite the cf_clearance cookie expiring a year after ); once the browser session terminates, you're being blocked anew ... Given that recent Chromium versions on Win10 don't get the door, I used this extension https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/custom-useragent-string/lejiafennghcpgmbpiodgofeklkpahoe (v0.2.1 is the last MV2 one compatible with Cr86/87) to set a SSUAO for SF: and I can now access SF unobstructed ... NB: Both KMB and 360EEv13.x DO NOT send out CH by default (you have to enable #enable-experimental-web-platform-features for that first; and even then, this is an immature/alpha edition of the CH API). On 10/8/2024 at 9:52 PM, xjani said: on Supermium v126 it opens, but the file can't be downloaded with it from this page Can the link to this file of yours be made public, please? I suspect some Supermium default security setting might interfere there, if that "file" isn't palatable to Google's notion of "security" ... Edited October 9, 2024 by VistaLover 1
xjani Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 (edited) 23 hours ago, VistaLover said: Can the link to this file of yours be made public, please? I suspect some Supermium default security setting might interfere there, if that "file" isn't palatable to Google's notion of "security" ... After allow ICMP Protocol, the browser started downloading files correctly. Interestingly, other browsers are not bothered by blocking ICMP (for example: Mypal 68.13.8) - I checked on version Supermium 126.0.6478.249 R3 & system XP Edited October 10, 2024 by xjani
Saxon Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 11 hours ago, xjani said: After allow ICMP Protocol, the browser started downloading files correctly. Interestingly, other browsers are not bothered by blocking ICMP (for example: Mypal 68.13.8) - I checked on version Supermium 126.0.6478.249 R3 & system XP ICMP: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly https://blog.securityevaluators.com/icmp-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-130413e56030 2
Saxon Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 (edited) On 10/9/2024 at 1:13 AM, NotHereToPlayGames said: I prefer the unique ID number. That puts hard evidence on you. My mom's a criminal defence lawyer. In the meantime, an empty string may or may not be received due to a technical malfunction - that puts nothing on you. Telling a "unique ID is better" - giving bad advice to people. Enjoy my expensive but free advice. And yes, as I suspected, @Dave-H doesn't get "human" verification, just like me. This tells your location is already marked as "un-secure" by a spammers' database*, which are plenty these days, and the sites use their services to filter out spammers. *along with that MSFN member from Russia, the one we discussed before, with the same error. Edited October 10, 2024 by Saxon * 3
Saxon Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 On 10/9/2024 at 1:13 AM, NotHereToPlayGames said: I prefer the unique ID number. Another two standalone reasons for this unique dog tag advocating could be: 1 - you're somehow affiliated with the police. 2 - simply don't know how to get rid of it. 3
NotHereToPlayGames Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 15 minutes ago, Saxon said: That puts hard evidence on you. You're still in denial of the bigger picture. Each and everytime you launch your browser and visit a website, there are THOUSANDS of data points being communicated. A user agent is only one data point out of THOUSANDS. Light mode versus dark mode is only one data point out of THOUSANDS. Whether the browser windows is maximized or not is only one data point out of THOUSANDS. Your IP address... Your ISP... Your OS... Each is but one data point out of THOUSANDS. GeoLocation... Canvas... What codecs you can render... Each is but one data point out of THOUSANDS. Ask your mom! A forensics expert only needs 6 or 7 data points and they have you FINGERPRINTED. If you really think that you are blocking all of the THOUSANDS of data points and somehow have manged to be "off the grid" when ONLINE, you are living a DELUSION!
Saxon Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: You're still in denial of the bigger picture. Each and everytime you launch your browser and visit a website, there are THOUSANDS of data points being communicated. A user agent is only one data point out of THOUSANDS. Light mode versus dark mode is only one data point out of THOUSANDS. Whether the browser windows is maximized or not is only one data point out of THOUSANDS. Your IP address... Your ISP... Your OS... Each is but one data point out of THOUSANDS. GeoLocation... Canvas... What codecs you can render... Each is but one data point out of THOUSANDS. Ask your mom! A forensics expert only needs 6 or 7 data points and they have you FINGERPRINTED. If you really think that you are blocking all of the THOUSANDS of data points and somehow have manged to be "off the grid" when ONLINE, you are living a DELUSION! Ever heard of circumstantial evidence? That's exactly what all of those "canvas" are. Whereas the Unique ID is used to build a case. No judge will ever get that much into such side technical aspects. But he will take the dog tag as the main proof, don't be delusional. 4
Saxon Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Your IP address... Your ISP... IP address can be shared. And or used by someone else (namely, "hackers"?), whereas your browser is you browser, period. Guilty, case closed 2
NotHereToPlayGames Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 25 minutes ago, Saxon said: Whereas the Unique ID is used to build a case. I agree. But I think you are still missing a small factoid. A *million* people can install Ungoogled, any version of Ungoogled, on any OS capable of running Ungoogled, and they all share that same exact Unique ID. So "unique" may indeed imply "one number", but it does NOT imply "one person out of billions on the globe".
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