Emulators and virtual machines, elixirs of eternal life for WinXP

[silverni]

My English is elementary, I hope you can understand what I say; and for this reason I write very little in the forum.

I report my experiences that I think are interesting for all WinXP users.

 

In WinXP I start VirtualBox, and then a virtual machine and a 4GB .vhd file that contains a minimum Win7 Ultimate system; from within the virtual machine I launch for example Palemoon MPC and Firefox Quantum.

The 4GB Win7 .vhd file was created using Wimb's instructions on the Reboot.pro and 911CD.net forums.

I post a screenshot.

 

An Android emulator can overcome other WinXP limitations (Whatsapp, Skype, App of the banks, ...); until now I have used a minimal Youwave system; soon I will test more powerful emulators compatible with WinXP; some references:

 

Bluestacks and BlueStacks Tweaker

https://www.bluestacks.com/

https://bstweaker.tk/

 

Nox App Player

http://en.bignox.com/

 

MEMU

https://www.memuplay.com/it/

 

Greetings

 

[Mcinwwl]

Running win7 and Android emulator within windows XP to overcome limitations of a host system... feels like an... overkill... like pulling the horse you ride on with a car... But I somehow like it

[rloew]

I have run a Windows XP VM from 98SE when I did not want to reboot.

[win32]

I toyed with this idea on Windows 2000 and have successfully run Vista x64 in VMware Workstation 6.5. I tried 7 x64 in VMware Player 3.1.2 (Workstation 7-based) and the host blue screened during the installation though 7 x86 worked.

It felt sluggish on a Core 2 Duo E6700 but I'm sure if I made use of vLite/RT7 it could have been a better ride. No working WDDM drivers in any case (Workstation 6.5 doesn't support WDDM; on Player 3.1.3 I corrupted the VMs after installing them).

unfortunately those old virtualizers won't even boot Windows 10. The last VMware Workstation for XP (v10) supports nothing above Windows 8.1. Not sure about VirtualBox 5.2 but I think it's new enough to run 10.

On the other end of the chronological emulation/virtualization scale, PCem and 86box work on Windows XP. With very solid hardware (as in from this decade), you can have a good DOS/Windows 9x experience free of issues with race conditions and early 3D acceleration.

Edited June 20, 2019 by win32

[Windows 2000]

21 hours ago, win32 said:

unfortunately those old virtualizers won't even boot Windows 10. The last VMware Workstation for XP (v10) supports nothing above Windows 8.1. Not sure about VirtualBox 5.2 but I think it's new enough to run 10.

And here's where you're wrong buddy. Windows 10 Home x64 seems to be working perfectly on VMware Workstation 10.0.3 if you set the virual machine to Windows 8.1 settings on the initial configuration when you create the virtual machine itself. Also, Windows 8.1 vmware tools seem to work great on Windows 10.

 

 

Edited June 21, 2019 by Windows 2000

[silverni]

I currently do everything in WinXP.
I created the mini-Win7 virtual machine for over a year, I started it only for testing and tuning, and the system was very solid.
I'll probably need it sometime, and it's convenient to keep it ready.
Certainly if I were to use the virtual machine over and over again it would be time to abandon WinXP, but for now I don't even see the need for it.
The meaning of the thread is that the death of WinXP can be postponed indefinitely, in a future that is currently not predictable.

I use VirtualBox 4.3.36 of 2016/01, the last officially supported and definitely working version in WinXP; for 5x the operation in WinXP should be verified, I did not find significant information on the Internet.
As an operating system I only tested this mini-Win7, I don't expect I need more complete or modern systems.
Among other things, the .vhd file can also be started autonomously from boot, as a secondary operating system for maintenance; and in reality this was the use envisaged by Wimb2, I believe the use as a virtual machine is my invention.

I always try to use the minimum tool that allows me to achieve my goals.
As a browser I almost always use NM27, the only one that supports the "Print pages to PDF" extension that I use a lot; more rarely I use portable NM28, or Firefox 52.
I keep strictly away from sites that are too "trendy" or "experimental"; and in any case for the basic functions NM27 it is sufficient, for example I can download files and consult documentation on Github (and actually also works IExplorer6).

As primary defense system I use secpol.msc, much more convenient than PSExec Sysinternals; settings can be changed on the fly and take effect immediately, no need to restart programs.
I attach screenshot.


Greetings
 

[silverni]

More than virtual machines, Android emulators seems interesting to me, for a long series of reasons.

Recent developments in individual computing almost exclusively concern mobile devices; the Windows desktop environment has long been a mature product, recent developments are dictated exclusively by ambiguous and dangerous marketing strategies, oriented exclusively to organizations.
For a single user with sufficient experience, recent versions of Windows NT6-10 are in fact a regression in terms of usability, but above all in terms of security (this aspect would require a dedicated post).

The world of Android mobile devices, on the other hand, is in a phase of chaotic evolution, new solutions and applications are constantly being offered, almost all the most recent applications presented in the Windows desktop world have an Android version.
Conversely, Android is still unstable and presents greater potential risks than WinXP.

Reproducing an Android system in a stable and familiar environment like WinXP has many advantages, for example:
- become familiar with the world of mobile devices and available apps
- check the operation of the system and applications in more depth than is possible using an Android hardware device.

Greetings
 

[Dixel]

Discovered the article by accident, someone knows, is this not a joke?

LATEST VERSION of NoxPlayer 7.0.6.1 runs on XP!??!

https://www.softpedia.com/get/Mobile-Phone-Tools/Others/Nox-APP-Player.shtml

[user57]

On 6/25/2019 at 2:09 PM, silverni said:

More than virtual machines, Android emulators seems interesting to me, for a long series of reasons.

Recent developments in individual computing almost exclusively concern mobile devices; the Windows desktop environment has long been a mature product, recent developments are dictated exclusively by ambiguous and dangerous marketing strategies, oriented exclusively to organizations.
For a single user with sufficient experience, recent versions of Windows NT6-10 are in fact a regression in terms of usability, but above all in terms of security (this aspect would require a dedicated post).

The world of Android mobile devices, on the other hand, is in a phase of chaotic evolution, new solutions and applications are constantly being offered, almost all the most recent applications presented in the Windows desktop world have an Android version.
Conversely, Android is still unstable and presents greater potential risks than WinXP.

Reproducing an Android system in a stable and familiar environment like WinXP has many advantages, for example:
- become familiar with the world of mobile devices and available apps
- check the operation of the system and applications in more depth than is possible using an Android hardware device.

Greetings
 

i actually do not think they have any advantage in terms of security, windows 10/11 is a open door because they have automatic updates 

there is a reason why nuclear silo´s use XP instead of 10, if someone is about to emulate the update server then he could trigger the nuclear silo

in sence of a external attack XP is very safe because all the security flaws where upgraded away 

 

XP might dont got an advantage if you are running a virus over a download 

but that rather comes over different aspects, win10/11 upgrade their virus list always - but that they have to do so only shows that win10/11 are not secure - or they would not need these 

 

having a virus that operates on win10/11 might also just not work because it might have missing functions or dont know where to make its flaws 

 

win10/11 security talk is rather coming from a different view, it try to get rid of you as owner of the computer - that driver signature is a such things , but also that UEFI boot it makes sure not you run what you want it makes sure it runs microsoft & friends - is that what you want ? a computer that is not yours 

the entire "sandbox" how chrome and firefox call them are nothing but a parameter for win10/11 what then is set to the app/module itself (it dont do that for you, it do that so you dont see what the apps really do)

 

if 10/11 have a security aspect - yes then against yourself and for microsoft + friends/persons they like at the moment/ms choose who 

 

the so called sandbox features of firefox and chrome are bugs from the browser itself, it is not the operating system job - if that can happen something is wrong with the code in the browser and the browser has security flaws 

 

if russia would use win10/11 guess what - they would either call microsoft and tell them to stream a virus on their nuclear silo system or they already have a software for that

and here xp got an big advantage as long you just work from a external attack XP is very secure, holes that existed where fixed - no automatic forced os upgrades, no windows firewall as static integrated unit that can upgrade itself from external calls, no automatic forced anti virus (again open door) - many software of microsoft today can do these automatic and forced upgrades - all count as open door, while all other software are also allowed to do their automatic upgrades (and what if they use this to stream a virus ?)

 

in XP you can close that gap, you can refuse the connections either windows or any other software - and if you need a certain upgrade you can download it and install it on demand (but never forced) 

therefore there are no backdoors they can just dig in and do what they want 

 

you also have to see it like that there was a reason why microsoft gave win10 for free - there was a big catch and a very big downside - and today we know what it actually is 

by doing so they can do what they want, they can spy when they want without you having known 

they can force you what you do on your computer - others get marked as virus malware or maybe "potential unwanted software/they then decide that this is" (and guess what says this the anti virus software - but that rather comes that only microsoft & friends control what a virus/or other word is)

 

https://www.borncity.com/blog/2017/01/01/windows-xp-und-uralt-computer-kontrollieren-atomarsenale/

https://qz.com/602928/floppy-disks-and-windows-xp-nuclear-weapon-technology-is-hilariously-out-of-date (and no out of date - using win10 if the upgrade server would somehow be emulated = nuclear doom)

 

the reason why xp i already called out xp has no build in backdoor such as the windows 10 anti virus the firewall or the auto upgrades for the os - there is just nothing they could dig into xp

if you download a virus from somewhere and execute then maybe ... - but noone would do a such thing with a nuclear silo

 

[ED_Sln]

7 hours ago, Dixel said:

LATEST VERSION of NoxPlayer 7.0.6.1 runs on XP!??!

The miracle didn't happen.

[mina7601]

11 hours ago, ED_Sln said:

The miracle didn't happen.

I knew it, Softpedia was obviously lying. And even then, after editing the file's SubSysVersion (which is originally 6.0) with PEMaker v0.83, this is the result:

[Dixel]

12 hours ago, mina7601 said:

I knew it, Softpedia was obviously lying. And even then, after editing the file's SubSysVersion (which is originally 6.0)

 

 

On 8/20/2024 at 3:01 AM, ED_Sln said:

The miracle didn't happen.

Thanks all. 6.0, runs on Vista, then?

[ED_Sln]

15 hours ago, Dixel said:

Thanks all. 6.0, runs on Vista, then?

It installed on Vista, but on startup it gives the error "Unable to start virtual machine". Virtualization is enabled in BIOS, the computer meets the requirements.