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from what i've read right now discord app works but microphone in voice calls doesnt, you'd be better off with discord in a browser
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Second System could be considered an exception for this as it doesn't contain modified Microsoft binaries (from what I can tell, no reverse engineering was done) and instead injects custom win32's own files, so it's more like VxKex. And links to VxKex on github weren't being taken down here
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By default globally forced, can be made per-program only https://msfn.org/board/topic/186928-list-of-new-software-unlocked-by-second-system/#findComment-1281897
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So from what I've gathered posting links to paid software is allowed, though it can't be done in an advertising-like manner (and also not the first thing you post) As i mentioned the fact that the link was in the second line of text and that line had a bigger font, may have been interpreted as advertising, maybe I got a bit too excited initially due to this being the only current kernel extension that is for Windows Vista in particular. That being said I've been getting absolutely zero financial gains currently or in the past from any of @win32's products. Bot accusations here are immediately obviously ridiculous, I doubt that I should even take them seriously at all Therefore I may re add the link to the patreon, but put it under external links or something The link to patreon is btw not like a "buy" button and instead it just links to (afaik) the only other page which has any resources about the Second System. i.e. it's like a software product's website rather than donate or shop link. The is also a free 'sub' plan for reading news and no downloads. Surprisingly it is popular looking at the counter. This thread while being the main one on Second System, is still mainly a list of programs that it allows to launch
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"Does it fix random launch errors and programs crashing?" Pretty much, the System is now very much working rather than not, the improvement is very meaningful but it's not perfect: I've described my experiences here https://msfn.org/board/topic/186936-force-tsc-system-timer-on-vista/#findComment-1281946 "Is it meant to be used with other extensions or how?" It's standalone, it's just a very small patch to advapi32.dll "would like to know if it is worth it." If you are only interested in the patch and not Second System or RTX drivers - No and don't buy Haswell+ hardware with Vista in mind While the patch may indeed be fixing the source of crashes that was in advapi.dll, Vista still uses HPET which performs badly and is hardware-wise really bad on new Intel platforms: higher latency -> lower FPS, lower system responsiveness From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Precision_Event_Timer All of my testing is in this thread: I requested this TSC feature on @win32's patreon site but for now there's still no patch for it Another not so great news - the payment process on Patreon is really painful https://old.reddit.com/r/patreon/comments/1cl8vhv/is_there_any_way_to_use_a_prepaid_card_or_even_my/ (have not tried services mentioned in this thread) Of course only if you don't want to have an active payment source attached to patreon, if so your best bet would be to find a banking-like service that operates in your country and allows creating online easily trashable (but theoretically not temporary or prepaid) credit cards and pay with that or you can link that card to paypal. Transfer some money into paypal through one time payment methods perhaps Than start the patreon subscription with paypal as a payment method, it verifies you have an active credit card Than trash the credit card In the following months patreon won't verify if your card is active anymore And than you need to keep track of your fundings on paypal and either transfer money there regurarly (through one time payment methods) or cancel sub before paypal money run out
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Looks like booting from USB is an open issue on CSMWrap's github https://github.com/FlyGoat/CSMWrap/issues/96
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There you go, I've removed the link to the patreon site and moved the tex reference down a bit, I hope it'a a good middle ground and won't be interpreted as advertising something anymore New wording: Second System can be found on win32's Patreon site | supporting his amazing work is possible there
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Here are your instructions https://web.archive.org/web/20200730112455/https://msfn.org/board/topic/181612-wip-windows-vista-extended-kernel/ There were VERY limited and never actually that useful and were created at a time when @win32 barely knew himself how to create kernel extensions and what he was doing Actually they were deleted long before @win32 left MSFN and maybe indeed to prevent confusion False, extended kernel releases followed Maybe @win32 doesn't show up on MSFN because he doesn't like getting distracted on constant question "when will I be able to run X program on Windows Y", when you have kernel extensions to do and real life things too, maybe there isn't much left for replying on forums. It's common for people who get more famous than they expected to distant themselves from "followers" a bit, because at some point it becomes hard to handle Well, you could find those paid products on the Internet and just install cause no DRM, but posting those here would violate MSFN rules and be very much wrong. That being said the access to SecondSystem downloads is available to "Supermium support subscribers" and not "Second System subscribers" therefore idk sharing what exactly would be considered piracy and what wouldn't be, but anyway I think sharing Second System binaries on MSFN would still fall under 1b (it contains win32's own binaries) and be morally wrong. I'm not a lawyer @win32 is i think trying to make a paid product but without annoying product key things and danger of no longer being legally available to buy once the dev decides to shut down the project (and it's not easy to figure out). Just look at what happened to BigMuscle's AeroGlass as an example of what should be avoided. So just calm down.
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Don't have a good proxy to test right now It's just that the previous version for Vista posted in this thread stopped working with you tube at all a few days ago and this new one works again
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Yes regular chromium without compatibility patches. Just tested Ungoogled Chromium 142.0.7444.58 and it works. Google Chrome should work too (when installed somewhere else and copied over), but it's spyware (installer even more so) and I don't want to even test it.
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Just tested on Vista seems to work well
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Fix what? Second System is not a fix and Vista (sp2) is not a broken operating system. And if you are referring to Haswell patch, it's a completely different product just under the same subscription
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The program does not exactly cost $5/month. If you download the program in the first month of your subscription (which costs $5 + tax) you can keep it and it will still work indefinitely i.e. it has no DRM This is WAY different from other subscription-based programs, that have to validate your subscription status via internet to keep working Here if you are fine with the functionality the program currently offers you can cancel the sub after the first month, So you only pay the subscription to support the program development and receive updates and standalone Windows patches that are the result of the development you supported. The developer(s) have already made and maintain another freely available solutions like Supermium and I think it's fair that this one requires the sub of this kind. If DRM was to be implemented I would very much have to reconsider supporting the project myself, it would be ironic for people who claim to fight forced obsolescence to make programs that become bricked whenever they feel like no longer supporting them.
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Access to the Second System download is available only to paid subscribers of the Supermium support on patreon, however the Second System itself contains no DRM-like elements (this is now not only about Supermium browser but it's still called this way) EDIT: Added this info above the list
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There is no testing programme per se, there is is just win32's patcher posted on his patreon as member-only content and there are comments below it As I said: the access to it available only to paid subscribers of the Supermium support, however the patcher itself contains no DRM-like elements (this is now not only about Supermium browser but it's still called this way)
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Unfortunately setting these values changes nothing (tested on 8.0 and vista). To verify this this setting doesn't change the framerate, I also set that to 5FPS and it still felt like 60. Animations on my PC are by no means sluggish they are just 60FPS not 120, and this setting might be more related to GPU power saving features But that was a good one to try, so if any one of you has more of these, I'll happily test them too.
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Thanks Which hotfix? Right now, on Vista Steam only works for me in offline mode, can't connect to the servers (I have TLS1.2 installed and working in IE) EDIT: On the current experimental release it actually doesn't launch at all EDIT2: The current experimental fixes the no connection issue on my VM, but on the host, Steam doesn't launch at all, needs more testing EDIT3: Added Steam to ExK + SeSy incomatibility list EDIT4: Uninstalled ExK from my host, Steam still doesn't work, now also desn't work on my VM for some reason, same as with VLC (VLC unrealted) EDIT5: Uninstalling ExK on the host caused gpu acceleration to stop working on the guest and that was the issue, with ExK back on the host, Steam works again on the guest EDIT6: This may be related to new NVIDIA drivers on Vista claiming to support Vulkan, but not actually doing so. EDIT7: ^Definitely this
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Yes, form the user perspective it does the same thing, it works a little bit different however as it doesn't replace system files and instead injects custom extending files into processes. And is available for Vista and 7, instead of just Vista as the original extended kernel was
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If you are running Second System alongside Extended Kernel read this: @win32 (SeSy author) recommends the following "for the March 2023 extended kernels, I recommend replacing userenv.dll with the original versions, as well as the 32 bit/WOW64 kernel32.dll. Those particular DLLs cause most conflicts between Second System and the extended kernel." Personally even for October 2022 version I've always suggested installing only x64 extended kernel files and leaving 32-bit(WOW64) files as vanilla If there are still issues, they will be listed here To disable Second System right click on the program's exe and select Disable Second System Don't work at all There are some issues Sysinternals Process Explorer 17.06 - On Vista ExK + SeSy sometimes launches sometimes not, same behavior as when ExK is used to provide compatibility)
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So it worked initially?, what was it set to? DXVA2(native) or none ? LAV settings can also be accessed from the start menu, K-Lite Codec Pack\Configuration There will likely be 2 one for mpchc and one system-wide, set both to whatever worked, if settings crash, redo k-lite codec pack setup and configure those options during setup Test dreamscene Some applications may not respect LAV configuration settings, in that situation you will usually have to remove DXVA2-related dlls installed by the graphics driver so they will have no chance to use something broken, I'd done this once with AMD drivers The fact that symptoms are the same between AMD and NVIDIA gpus however makes me think that you have a conflicting other application/driver installed as these are all old vista-supported gpus not something that needs custom drivers EDIT: And did you uninstall AMD drivers with DDU before installing nvidia? (latest for vista - DDU v18.0.4.6.exe)
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So now that you have the codec pack, launch MPC-HC that got installed with it and try to play a h264 test video https://test-videos.co.uk/bigbuckbunny/mp4-h264 launch LAV splitter video settings - the red icon in the system tray, there is a "Hardware Decoder to use:" in the top middle, test various hardware decoders and check which do and don't work, make sure H.264 is checked under codecs for HW
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For dreamscene try installing K-Lite Codec Pack 16.6.5 (I believe someone reported some issues with a later version) Edit, this post: https://msfn.org/board/topic/175262-last-versions-of-software-for-windows-vista-and-windows-server-2008/page/66/#comment-1214028 Is explorer.exe still crashing, if not I think it's Camtasia's own problems at this point
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Is any of the extended kernel-like stuff installed?
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Is directx_Jun2010_redist installed? Windows 7 doesn't use dx9 on desktop (maybe Camtasia uses dx11 on Win7 too), check if directX9 works there with any directX 9 game, look up games you happen to have on pcgamingwiki
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Here's a copy paste of a report with my experiences with this advapi32.dll patch, until now being on win32's patreon it was probably also "members only" : I was probably the first user testing it, there were no comments before. That's how it was before: Tons of services failing to start, UAC being super-annoying, USB drivers that used to BSOD the system, with the patch don't
