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The death of 98 is simple. There is no up to date or should i say no browser that currently supports modern web standards that works on 98. This effectively kills the operating system for everything except menial task and retro gaming. The only thing you can do is use a vnc or RDP to another computer to surf the web now basically.

Thats not true about not using a normal IDE cable. I had a rage 128 card paired with a ISA tv card and I used a normal IDE cable with it and it worked fine. This was around 2002-3 But you do have to connect the cable the right way. If you want to send me the board in the mail. If you don't want it Id like to give a try at getting it working. Not saying the flopply has anything to do with the beep codes and it not working for you. But you shouldn't be hooking up a floppy or anything to it when your trying to diagnose issues or getting it to post.

You can probably use the drive if its pugged in through USB maybe. But I don't think you can install windows 2000 to a usb drive. Also Windows 2000 doesn't work on 4kn.

I have a real monitor with that res. The other resolution I like is 1600x1200 which I also got. I think maybe NEC still makes monitors with those Resolutions could be wrong about that. http://www.necdisplay.com/p/desktop-monitors/ea245wmi-bk http://www.necdisplay.com/p/desktop-monitors/p212-bk

welp i personally prefer 1920x1200 instead of pure HD res.

Ok welp you can try Digital-FLEM. You need .net 4.0 I believe to run it. Then try adding the card to the 98se driver. I know it will add old cards to newer drivers. Don't know if it will work with cat 6.2. You can try to edit the 6.2 drivers yourself and add all of the pnp strings for your card and then force the driver to install. If that doesn't work.

This is tired at this point. Radeon Omega Drivers 3.8.221, and Cat 6.2 were the last drivers for win 9x. You will find this easily if you search. Along with those drivers ATI listed what chips were supported. If you want you can look in the drivers INF and see for yourself. If the card you want to install doesn't even remotely resemble a supported a chip listed in the INF or official readme. Than it's not going to work. It's not rocket science you can't use like a driver that is designed for like a totally different piece of hardware on some other piece of hardware. Because it's not written for that chipset. Around the time Later radeon cards started coming out AMD bought ATI and chips were getting simple refreshes. Some of the refreshed parts can be coaxed into working because only minor architectural changes were made if any were made at all. But major architectural changes is what this thread is all about. A major architectural change would be like the difference between a Nvidia TnT2 and like a gforce GTX 9800. Most people are smart enough not to try to install a gtx9800 with Nvidia TnT2 drivers for windows 98. ANd think that oh? we can just mod the bios of the Gtx9800 make it think its a TnT2 and the driver for win 98 will will work. Theres a reason I just made a simple response to the thread. It's a waste of time to elaborate.

I know it doesn't work because I have tried it. It's been experimented by 100s of people, a simple google serach would tell you that. The fact that you can't find any info on anyone in the history of man doing this if you used 10 differnt search engines and spent 2 months shifting through the wayback machine should be an indication that it wont work. . I have tried like Omega Rad drivers that you are probably too young to know about. that have been really good at getting newer cards to run on 98. I have tried things like Mobility Modder. I have tried manually editing driver files and adding hardware IDs of cards into drivers that don't list those specific cards. I have flash modded plenty of cards, to re enable things like pixel pipelines and change the the bios strings. I have tried plenty to get newer ATI cards running in 9x. I have had some sucess with some things and other things are just flat out not going to work? Why? Because you can sometimes get a card that has similar hardware to run with a driver that is not specifically designed for it. But you cannpt get a piece of hardware to run on a driver that doesn't work with that hardware. It's pretty simple its like getting a driver that will power a apple. Then trying to get that same driver to power a orange. It's not going to work. The issue is simple there is no driver that even remotely resembles OPs card for windows 98. But it's bad enough that to really get the card to work you need a board that has PCI express lanes that actually works on 98 like maybe a 915 chipset that doesn't fully work anyways. Assuming that you could actually get it to work. You are really limited by the amount of games that will run on 98. The ones that do do not require anything that powerful. Most poeple think the best gaming cards for 98 were like ATI 9600/9700/9800 For nvidia like TI4600 was best. Those cards can already handle anything that windows 98 is capable gaming wise. Newer games require alot of ram of which you cannot even run that much ram and game on 98 to be stable. Dos box isn't the necessary the answer for games that require slow CPU there are many programs like "The Throttle" that can be used to slow down CPU cycles on fast machines. But if you actually have the hardware that runs dos and 98 properly you don't necessarily have that problem I much rather spend my time building computers out of older parts that wont work on newer computers to get my programs to run. Than trying to get newer stuff that doesn't work on a older computer when it is totally unnecessary to do that, since we can already do that. I wouldn't sit here and just say it flat out wouldn't work if I didn't know what I was talking about thank you for your input.

I only really use it to open images like jpegs, pngs, gifs.

Just my opinion. The purpose of a 9x box I am talking about 400bx, PIIIs, Socket 7 machines like AMD K6 and MMX. The whole point of running 9x is to run old programs and old hardware. Games that only run with 3dfx glide. Dos programs that only run good in pure dos or under 9x. Old games that use real hardware sound cards like yamaha OPL or SB16. It's why we keep these things around. I see zero point installing such a high powered ATI card in 9x. Or running new hardware on 9x. Anything that can do that you can use XP for or windows 2000.

it wont work. Even if you were able to change the bios string to show that it is a x800. If it could be done someone would have already done it.

no, the card is too new.

custom graphics card driver? for what card and what os?

you can remove wmp, i don't know why you would want to remove the codecs from the computer.

Agree SMB is a non issue, for home users or small business users at the very least. As long as you have a router or external firewall blocking all of those ports in/out from the internet than it's a non issue. Same goes for a lot of other things. Microsoft is just doing this because there are too many retards out there.

I wouldn't trust that sites list of cards. It says that a lot of cards are universal AGP and that is just flat out false. The cards I listed are good ones. But you need to have pictures and check with your own eyes at the finger slot connector and specs to see if somthing is 2x 3.3v Keyed or not. That site also brings up issues with AGP compatibility but lists no references as to why it makes this assumption. This is mostly 99% false. The issues are like from very specific chipsets made by VIA and some ATI cards. And very specific cards from Nvidia and Intel chipsets etc. And some Early mobos that do not fully support AGP specifications. Like some of the 1st AGP chipsets that came out. When I say specific I mean like 1 card out of 100 on one chipset on a mobo of a specific manufacture but not necessarily the same chipset or card on another mobo. It's very rare. After around 1998 almost all of these problems disappeared until PCI-e replaced AGP around 2003-2004. As far as I know 440bx doesn't have that problem.

That is a double edged sword. Like some really really older games. may not have frame limiters and the game plays too fast. But that usually isn't because of the Graphics card. Most of the time it's because those games are CPU bound, like DOS games. The only real cures for that is to run a ancient computer or run a CPU throttler program. There are various ones I probably could find some for you that will throttle the CPU. This is like very rare like if you are playing a game from the 80s or really early 90s that run in DOS.. Anyways The issue more is you run into a game that is more demanding and if you Graphics isn't fast enough you wont get acceptable frame rate. Which will make the game unplayable and laggy. Tom me anything about 30FPS is playble but like 60FPS is optimal. There are plenty of instances of that in even older games from the 90s. Like unreal. for example. Or just depending on the game, like if the game is more OpenGL based and your card is pretyy bad in open GL then ya it will lag.

Maybe you have a different manual than I do but my manual absolutely says it does. PCI is not more powerful than AGP. In fact its a lot less powerful. And its not any more safer or any more compatible. It's actually less compatible with games under windows. Under DOS AGP is transparent as a PCI card because AGP is a PCI specification. It simply can't take advantage of all of AGP features that doesn't mean that it doesn't nativly use it. It says. AGP Accelerated Graphics Port Interface Specification Revision 1.0, July, 1996, Intel Corporation. The specification is available through the Accelerated Graphics Implementers Forum at: This is my manual It says AGP 1.0 on page 89. Which is AGP 2x http://www.pcscomp.com/support/manuals/se440bx-2.pdf Go to wiki. AGP 1.0 3.3V 66MHz Speed 2× Trans/clock 2 Bus speed 533 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port AGP 1.0 = AGP 2X Yes my manually says the speed it says its AGP 1.0 Spec

If you want to learn more about 90s and early 2000s hardware good place is start watching all of this guys videos. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj9IJ2QvygoBJKSOnUgXIRA

ok battery doesn't last over 20 years unused. The agp card doesn't have to predate it just has to be AGP 2X. 4x and 8x cards will work as long as they support 2x mode electrically and and are slot compatible, That means they are notched for 2x and 4x. These kinda agp cards have 2 notches. AGP 2x cards are notched towards the VGA connector 4x cards are notched towards the back. But not all 4x and 8x cards will work. Id say if its like Nvidia ge-force 2-3-4 they will work even though they are 4 and 8x becasue they are backward compatibble. ATI? Last ATI card that can go into 2x is like Radeon version 1. or Radeon 7000-7200. After that all of the Radeon Cards will only go in 4x-8x slots because they are not 2x keyed. Good cards for that motherboard are like Matrox G400 maxx, G400 Millennium, Rage 128 Pro, Rage fury pro, rage fury Maxx, 3dfx Voodo 3,4. 5 Nvidia tnt2-Geforece 2-3-4. Like when I build a computer I make sure that the parts I am getting are compatible it's more important with older hardware. Whether something predates or is newer never doesn't matter, what is important is parts always run in the specification or the motherboard manuals. Otherwise it is nothing but headaches. Or worst damaged hardware.

I hope you get your retro build working. make sure you replace the battery with a new battery and you don't try to start the system with jumpers set incorrectly.

Unplug the power supply ( i mean unplug from the wall. Remove all of the expansion cards from the computer. take the battery out of the motherboard. Check to make sure the jumper for clear CMOS is in the default position and not to the reset cmos position. It most be normal operation setting. (this is a good time to clear the cmos) Remove all of the ram and insert only 1 ram stick in. Replace battery. Insert the PCI video card into PCI slot 3 or 4. not the slot next to the agp. Make sure that it is firmly inserted. Plug in monitor cable. Switch on power supply. Try to turn on the computer. If this doesn't work try another VGA card. Get a new Battery. Make sure the floppy is install correctly. The bend in the ribbon cable should be plugged into the floppy with the bend more on the left side not the right side.

Ya all of that stuff is in the thread he linked you. We have been doing the same thing that you just provided us in that thread now for a long while.

I totally disagree with you about nothing can protect you from zero day attacks. Thats where I am going to stop posting here. There is no difference between a zero day attack and every other attack out there. They make their way onto your computer the same way. By you clicking and, dowloading. and falling for fake web sites, doing things that you should not be doing that any half way educated person knows you shouldn't do. People here act like virus and hacks magically get onto their computers the the solution is some AV anti spyware that will magically stop the magical forces. Im done here. Please try and learn you will be safer.

Whats the point of upgrading. From version 2 to 4 over the years I have seen very little difference.