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I don't know about CAD, but newer graphics cards are Win10+ only and they've only become faster since XP days. DirectX 12 with Feature Level 12_0 is listed as requirement for AutoCAD 2025 and there's .NET 8, all very far away from XP. They want latest and greatest everything except the underlying OS. I never signed up for Win10 Insider Program or the like, yet you get weekly updates for some browsers on this very forum.
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UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
I don't know any public instance, my workplace has its own NextCloud instance where I noticed visual anomalies. -
Sigh, in the old days, we were talking performance when it came to games, not web browsers. What a loco world!
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Nah, this forum is full of Mozilla haters, MS haters, Google haters, NT 6.1+ haters etc. Or they might just be the most vocal.
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NextCloud officially wants at least Firefox 119 it seems. Some obvious CSS errors in Pale Moon. Sigh. -
How come all browser discussions always end up being about privacy and security? I realize this is MSFN and only way I'll be able to run this browser is by getting a new computer. The old one is at the very end as far as upgradability goes. So much for upgradability advantage of PCs compared to gaming consoles...
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Somehow I doubt games are the deciding factor. Still prefer older Win10. I'd still load Win10 on a new computer. Don't know what the future holds though.
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UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
That was already written about on PM forum, basically, nobody understands the convoluted obfuscated code on Facebook to be able to debug it. -
If UWP app is written in C# (or Visual Basic), then it's compiled to native code (.NET Native). Though you can also NGEN conventional .NET Framework apps. But what does it matter, UWP is not recommended for new development anyway. https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-bloat-its-always-been-that-way/ Besides, most of you are using bloated Chrome or Firefox browsers, JavaScript in V8 is still a turtle compared to native code.
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UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
I'd say it's just word play in this context, referring to current Chromium and Firefox browsers. -
No sign of .NET being used by shell in Windows 20H2 after disabling QTTabBar (no .NET tabs). Only my favorite password manager remained. Using Explorer without QTTabBar is so weird, so it's re-enabled. Even if client runs in a web browser, server-side can still be C#.
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UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Silence as usual. I interpret it as the only solution being using bloated ChromeZilla. -
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UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Copying share links on Google Drive is broken again. Has been broken for a while, site just says unable to copy. -
Aye, Wikipedia just suggests large part might be Google's, but how much others, no idea where to get the data. Supposedly there are others from other big companies. So we live with speculations, but one thing is certain, regular mortal doesn't have much say regarding its development direction.
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OK, that example on Win11 was probably extra freaky... MW3 seems to mostly hover around 1,6 GB to 1,85 GB, depending on the mission, assuming I'm looking at the right column (Slovenian translations in Task Manager for some things are weird). Mission Mind the Gap has the lowest footprint at about 1,35 GB. This game had to run on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. Around 2009, consoles became an obvious priority for that franchise. Someone on Reddit wrote about that generation of consoles that frame rates being all over the place for some games was a common occurrence. One thing I know about D3D, you need to programmatically handle loss of window focus correctly and then restoration, at least in full screen. Window state is managed by the OS if I recall correctly, but graphical resources are on programmer. With OpenGL, you just have to get the window out of the way. Slowing down execution is probably good idea in any case. I wonder if you'd find differences if you compared both ATI/AMD and NVIDIA drivers. I remember years ago when they were talking about "Quake bug" in Cry of Fear (GoldSrc - Half-Life 1 engine). While I'm not sure that what I was experiencing was "Quake bug", there were crazy memory leaks on level transitions. Going from AMD to NVIDIA and then they were gone. Well, computers have become incredibly accessible, but tricks the older folks had to know are being forgotten. Sometimes I wonder if computers stayed slow, would it have any effect on people's behavior? I'm hinting at the all too often observed impatience and such.
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Programmers are more productive using C# rather than C++. Don't know if .NET is actually used in the shell these days, but I've had it loaded in Explorer since many years ago since my favorite QTTabBar is a .NET extension. AFAIK, these sorts of extensions were discouraged by MS, they would also pull .NET in whatever application called open file dialog. Dependency on web technologies is more apparent in Win11 (Hello Google!).
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Messing with Win11 recently, I had Firefox opened, total RAM consumption was 3 GB out of 6 GB, fixed 4 GB page file on another. I launched Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 singleplayer, the 2011 version, the last CoD with Direct3D 9 renderer, loading first map in campaign errored out in the middle with Out of memory error, I OKayed the error, game closed and the OS bluescreened (yay!). Somehow 4 GB page file wasn't enough, though the game is fine with 4 GB of RAM, admittedly, I never actually played it with 4 GB of RAM with 3 GB occupied. Also while still on an old 2009 rig and no experience with something more recent with say 32 GB of RAM, I could never successfully attempt compilation of project like Firefox and see how much it actually grows on auto settings. Win10 usually does start out with about 2 GB on this machine. But while still on 4 GB of RAM, switching from NT 6 line (I mean mostly 7 and 8.1, Vista was way too incompatible since many years ago and not much of practical use to me) to NT 10, I did notice while closing VMware Workstation after shutting down whatever virtual machine I was running (due to low RAM, they were usually set to slightly above 1 GB), it did close faster without disk activity, as was often the case on NT 6. They wrote they changed the OS so it has lesser tendency to swap. Of course, no version of Windows has equivalent of /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. Recent 64-bit Chromium backport on 64-bit XP, that was the easy one to break the limit of 1 GB page file here.
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Chromium is maintained in large part by Google, Chrome is just public release with different branding and some proprietary bits.
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Guess Alex has other priorities. His Thorium build for Win10+ is at 128, this caught my eye (source):
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Why single out Windows out, though? I work at the company that develops software that has nothing to do with Windows, it's an endless bug galore.
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Win11 23H2 really is a clunker compared to Win10 20H2. That slight delay I got restoring Pale Moon's window by clicking its taskbar button when it has couple of unloaded tabs and CuteButtons extension active, it takes full second on Win11 while it's closer to 250 ms on Win10. Other users wrote about general sluggishness as well, Explorer definitely got heavier again. I still don't get why my Win10 broke after I got into testing Win11 (DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE, which seem to occur every few days now on transitions to low power states), I shut down Win10 normally back then and hid its partitions by setting their type to 0. Maybe an overkill and potentially risky, but works for the other OS to ignore them. Although maybe setting them to some other non-zero type would be better since 0 means free space. Memtest86+ 7.00 shows nothing after 7 hours. Spinning rust show no apparent faults, at least in S.M.A.R.T. Might be rustier after more than a decade. Sometimes I think computers are nothing but another source of problems.
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UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Sorry, didn't see XenForo written at the bottom. -
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UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
You mean the new version of XenForo? Any example? https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php uses XenForo, but doesn't have cookies popups. These are inredibly annoying, especially on mobile devices. How many times it happened I couldn't even dismiss it while it blocked everything in sight... -
Current AMD driver install package is cca. 770 MB.
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UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
I don't even know what I want anymore. I keep thinking I should use something else, but then it's totally alien and I come back. Maybe I really should buy new PC and try to distract myself with newer games or something.