Jody Thornton

That clears a lot up. I do Security only updates, so I guess I'll stick with the cumulative IE updates. Thanks so much Greenhillmaniac

So IE Security-Only Updates are called "Quality" updates? How would anyone have realize that this was for IE 10?

Thanks for the heads up Greenhillmaniac So does the IE 10 security only update remain listed in your repository for the last month, or is there a backup of all previous ones? I know for the Flash update only the last one is needed. I also find the .NET listings on the Microsoft Catalog confusing. I just want the security only updates for the default installed .NET Framework (which is v4.5 right?). But it seems that updates for v4.6x and v4.7x also install.

That's unfortunate that you feel that way. I respect you having your two cents, but I think it's sad that you feel that any open thought like that is trollish, because to me it's conformist to have to be agreeable all the time. No one grows that way. But I've made my points clear. That will all from me.

See what you're saying is actually more heated and argumentative than anything I have ever said. Basically you've called me "clueless". I have been several places where debate can be handled nicely. Grown-ups disagree and learn from each other. But it shows that all you wish to do is stick to your club house mind set, and that no other opinions are allowed. That's too bad. It's almiost as if you're more interested in saying "We showed him guys - get that trash outta here". And it's perfectly OK for you to say Windows 10 is crap - this forum has a thread DEVOTED to it. Fine close the thread. MSFN should not be about saving XP or or legacy operating discussions. It should be about open discussion and thought or debate. It can include the topics about legacy OS systems, but shouldn't dominate it, because it make visitors and contributors think that they should conform to a mandate - that is NEVER right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As a by the way, @Dencorso, can you tell me what "upvote" specifically means?

Noooooo wait Dibya! I don't want to muzzle you. You have a right to speak, just as much as I do. Your attitude isn't stupid. I disagree with some of your thoughts, but you make lots of contributions here (New Moon for example and the XP layers). I can't criticize that. I think XP has had its day, but that doesn't mean your opinion doesn't have value. I'm saying the same for me too. That's all. So don't feel your not allowed to talk. We all can praise and criticize each other. That constitutes open and fair conversation.

Dibya, in all my comments to you I have made in this forum, although I usually disagree with you, I have been respectful. But you're always responding to me in an enraged tone. Why is that? Are you saying that for mutually respectful conversation to exist, I MUST agree with you? That's not fostering an equitable situation as I see it. I've never disliked XP x64 (in fact I used to like Windows 2000 a lot better in fact), so I see the value that post OS incarnations held. Now, I don't mind you crapping on Windows 10 - no problem there; we agree. But when you state that Windows 8 and 8.1 are inferior to Windows Millennium Edition, I have to say that you're doing no differently than I might be with XP. And you forget that XP was NOT perfect on its own either. I have folders of utilities, reg hacks and what not for XP (both x86 and x64). And I like many desktop additions to Vista/7/8x (like breadcrumbs for folder access - just as an example). So not everyone thinks XP was the best desktop. I did then, but not now. Now did I not express what I did above in a friendly, mutually respectful manner? I think I did. Have a good day Dibya

I'm not trolling. You get to expouse your opinions, and so do I. What you're saying is if I express an opinion opposite to yours, then that's trolling? My lord, what you're describing then is pack mentality or club house mentality. That's not fair. You are free to state that Windows 8 and 10 are crap without hesitation, but I'm not allowed to say critical things about XP? Why is that? Especially in a thread set up to allow that, Look just above what Dibya writes: After so I gonna complete your words. JodyT stop speaking this meaning less things. XPX64 beats 8x64 like a lion roars up on a cat and make it loose it sense. I fact it is im possible to beat memory routine of xp . Same for xp x86. XP is legend and nothing becomes legend for luck. Man say me why 8 never got too popular. It has millions of draw backs. I know you can fix it with 3rd party fixes but it is not perfect of its own. Notice he says it as fact. Now I don't agree with that (nor do many experts). Besides, this thread was set aside for just this purpose. We can either debate intelligently, or you can hurl comments like "Stop saying these things". You mustn't choose to be personally offended. All your doing is making me out to be a bad guy when I am only fairly expressing my opinion.

Good Morning hotnuma My thinking is, who cares how much RAM is used during a boot session? I close unnecessary services and processes too. but once I've booted, I'm using nearly a gigabyte of memory. On Windows 8, I have 7 GB of RAM, and while running Pale Moon (with seven tabs) and Windows Mail (brought over from Vista), I'm suing 1.9 GB of RAM. But that's OK. Some of that is Prefetch, some of that are services, some of that are svchost takss running for each process. A robust system will use more RAM and CPU. What good is all of the extra hardware if it's not put to use? And count on it, Windows 8 is definitely more stable than XP (though I have to say that the x64 build was exemplary). Even Vista, once all of my video issues were dealt with, was QUITE stable. Much more than XP. Even all of the space taken up with the component store; I've come to realize that it's a necessary evil. I have never had a BSOD on Windows 8 - ever. Even on Vista x64 SP2, the only BSOD was when I was experimenting with display adapters. After that was fixed - no more. There's more to discuss there on your post, but I'll need to do it later. Good points you've made.

Thank you bphlpt (yours is the sort of on-screen name I wonder for the life of me how to pronounce it ....lol)

Well yes, 8 is dead too. In fact, I use 8 in the same manner you use XP. It is also unsupported. And I also use patches from another source, just the way XP folks do. But let's face it, Windows 8 can still run most current software, and is good deal more stable on current hardware (and takes more advantage of it). Even Vista was in the Windows NT 6x class, though I admit it's aging. You and I both agree on Windows 10 at present. I do not like the product at all. But look at all of the cool things NoelC is doing with Windows 8.1 - he is using it as a productive, supported workstation. We have until October 2023 by the way Dibya. That's six years of patches.

Wow! Lots to read here. And I don't think bringing Linux alternatives into the discussion is a bad thing, because it should be possible route onwards. See, just because Dibya (with all due respect) fights everyday against the death of XP, the wish to express the opposite side should be allowed as well - even on MSFN. And that viewpoint is - the only reason that XP should EVER be discussed in 2017 is to decide how you're going to get off of it. To some people, that is a completely valid opinion. So I hope this thread allows for it. I will admit, I'm impressed by the projects such as New Moon and what not (does it work as an x64 build by chance?). But it's like me admiring a Garrard 1960's record changer. I love watching them play, but I'd never use my best vinyl on it. See what I mean? Not meant to be argumentative - it's just a different viewpoint. So I'm looking forward to engage with you guys on this. Disagreements don't have to mean fighting - but I find I learn more from those I disagree with, than those who just echo my same sentiments.

Hi Folks: I hadn't been by to visit it in quite some time, but I see that Vista Heads forum (vistaheads.com) has bit the dust. How long ago was this? Has it been archived anywhere?

See I'm with you on that one. I actually REALLY like Photon. But the icons are different than you show. That looks more like Vivaldi. I used some userChrome.css code to place the tab bar underneath the address bar. I was running Nightly 58 that way until a few days ago. I really like it.

I never really hated ME at the time, whilst many did. I find that if it was tweaked, it ran well. But I did prefer Windows 98 SE. The look of ME made long for Windows 2000 at the time.

@Burd: Thank you for chiming in. I didn't want a negative view of Vista to be the standing complete one. Yes initially there were major display diver and disk I/O problems But those were fixed, and by SP2, was a dream to run. Jaclaz does say this in fact, but it's kinda buried under the criticism. Vista and 7 aren't resource hogs in the modern sense of the word. It is no longer (in my mind) unreasonable to need 4 GB of RAM and a good CPU to run a modern-day OS. They do more under the hood to make a single task more stable and secure (when everything is setup correctly). I've come to realize that the component store, while not efficient is ACTUALLY A GOOD IDEA, pretty much ridding of DLL Hell. And I've come to realize that it's OK that a modern-day OS take up 10 to 15 GB to do its job properly. Comparing to XP is not valid because (again in my mind) it should be in the retirement home resting. It is NOT a modern OS, whereas Vista, even though it's a decade old, does represent a modern OS.

Doh! Something to install this evening. Thanks GHM

Appears to be just the Server Core and IE 10 updates for October. No .NET or Flash. Anyone yield any different results?

I believe so. It has always worked for me without detriment. Now if I turn off Classic Shell, I still get the charms and the start screen, but the apps are gone (besides in the Administrator account [which I rename], you can't run Metro apps anyway.)

As an Administrator account, I have removed the Apps and Packages folder (I think they were in \Windows, but it might've been in \ProgramData). I'm trying out this fxxmetro app, but it doesn't appear to actually speed up anything. Although the Metro engine ain't running.

Does it run slower without Aero? First to clarify - Windows 8 does INDEED have Aero, just not transparency or glass effect. So without those video rendering enhancements, do you find it slower? I used a hack three years ago that allowed me to run Windows 8.1 with a classic desktop too. But I ran it in a VM, so I'm unsure of performance was impaired at all.

Just saw that. Thank you.

Appears the K-Meleon site is down. Could it be game over?

Oh no I realize that. I just wanted to see if I could clean it completely. To me, even though 1.46 GB is perhaps piddly, I still think like the rich millionaire who still realizes the worth of a dollar. Every gigabyte counts.

It's been good, though I have noticed the last couple of moths security-only rollups; they required me to run SFC first, to be able to install the updates. I guess they don't like the Windows Mail files from Vista.