Jody Thornton

Just venting .... no effort seems to be applied to engaging Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 users to visit the forum at eightforums.com. Today the announcement of the release date of Chromium-based Edge was made (which runs on Windows 7 and 8) was made at gHacks and on the DM Ten Froums, but nothing was mentioned about it on the Eight Forums. The only threads that seem to survive there are the age old threads about integrating Windows Mail from Vista on Windows, or the games. Unbelievable. It's a Windows 8 Forum. Either shut it down, or provide some relevant information. There that's better!

@jumper I read that article before I came here and even followed the instructions on another one from Eight Forums that's very similar. Thanks for helping out though. In the meantime, just as a contingency plan, I've been trying out Pale Moon's latest build, and it seems I have no issues browsing the sites that I need to. So I may just return to that. I figured that after ESR 68 goes EOL next year, I'd want to switch out to something else. I pretty much got ESR 68 working just like ESR 60, however I think it might be time to abandon Quantum.

Well I can meet you halfway :). I tried running Waterfox Current, which is based on a new Firefox. It also exhibits the exact same symptoms. I really prefer to stay with the ESR for Firefox for a number of reasons.

Tried going back to Firefox 60 ESR, and the problems certainly went away. I upgraded first, and then secondly clean installed ESR 68. In each case the problem was gone - UNTIL - I restarted the PC. So what changes?

No it's not the system default folders. it's my own "Documents\Download" folder on my D: Drive. Inside "Documents", I also have a "Podcasts" folder that I created.

Just another note to add what I've been considering.... and that is Server 2012 updates. All seemed fine prior to my installing all of the post-November 2017 updates last July. Yes everything seemed to run quite well. But perhaps Firefox has trouble with one of the new updates. And I DID skip the Spectre/Meltdown month (was it March or Arpiil 2018 - who knows). So I'm just throwing all that out there. Maybe an update rollback is in my future.

I posted this on the MozillaZine forum, and it only seems to happen with Firefox ESR v68, but there could be something Windows-related that I'm missing. In which case, I thought I'd share my issue with you all. I'm running Firefox ESR 68.2.0 x64 using Windows 8 x64. This issue has happened ever since moving to v68. It happens with no other applications on Windows, nor did it happen on ESR 60. I proceed to save a file, and I'm going to perform one of two tasks before doing so: (a) create a new folder for my download (b) alter the "view" setting to list in the Download File/Save box. So I click the download link, and the File/Save Box loads. As soon as I press "New Folder", or try to right-click to bring up "view" settings, Firefox freezes (typically for about two minutes). Eventually Firefox comes out of it's slumber and I may proceed to make the new folder, and finish my download. Next time I try the same thing, it freezes again. If I go to my Event Log in Windows, there is an Event ID 10010 and a DCOM timeout error for {3EEF301F-B596-4C0B-BD92-013BEAFCE793}, which I have since learned is the Desktop Undo Manager. Now I've tried a new profile, reinstalling Firefox ESR, and turning on or off Hardware Acceleration - no difference. **** One interesting thing of note **** After awhile, I found that the problems went away if I tried changing a Hardware Acceleration setting on or off, or by changing profiles. But as soon as I log off Windows or restart Windows, the problem returns again. Any help is appreciated. Let me know if I can provide any more information.

I think for me what was the final nail in the coffin was that older applications (I used an older but more reliable version of u Torrent) stopped loading and unloading reliably once I update Vista past March 2018. So either skipping Spectre and Meltdown patches, or whatever else, simply made Vista run much worse. At this point, if I were to ever go back to an older system, it seems that Windows XP x64 Edition works more reliably. The Roytam1 browser choices are pretty much equal. But in truth, a modified Windows 8 installation (Metro and Start Screen disabled, Classic Shell installed, and Server 2012 patches) runs RINGS around a Vista x64 installation, especially in terms of reliability and performance. I may have started the "Server 2008 Updates on Windows Vista Thread", but I got off the ship now. That's OK. We change. That's all part of growth.

I decided to step away from using the Edge offerings on Windows 8. I really like the Edge browser of Android though, so I will continue using it on that platform though.

When it happens again. I will. I cleaned the Event Viewer so I could start fresh. I will submit it next time though.

Well I had hibernate turned off, but I went into the registry and found that the "Hiberboot" key was in fact on. Turned off, and now I'm restarting.

I don't have fast boot enabled (I assume your talking in Windows 8, and not the BIOS) Mine is not an EFI system by the way.. I actually ran a chkdsk /r with the installation DVD-ROM, and it did find bad sectors. It relocated the clusters and marked them as bad.

No - I do not. The machine never reboots or anything like that. I only get it on every few reboots or logins (of my own doing - I mean)

Well it hasn't affected me, so I'll just update again. Can I just install KB4517302? I was doing some experimentation with with the Disk Cleanup "sageset" commands, so my uninstaller might be already removed. I'll have to chack when I arrive home.

By the way - here's the link to the similar problem that someone else experienced. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance/event-16-kernel-general/2c7ccff7-7b91-4e16-9d6c-8a16a83393b1

**** FULL DISCLOSURE **** (I also posted this on this DM Eight Forums) Refer to this link, which gives and indication of what I experience now and then in the Event Viewer. Only the first two events are what I get: Event 16, Kernel-General Now it's important to note that I have had no Event 18 show up in Event Viewer, nor have I had sudden reboots. In fact, everything runs fine and seems normal. The last time when this appeared was when I looged out of my workstation, and back in again within a few minutes. I did not restart my system. I only received the first two events for amcache.hve and the reorganization of NTUSER.DAT. Could there be any reason OTHER THAN a hardware failure, that causes this message to appear? Thanks for all of your help.

Yesterday's Security-Only Update (KB4512482) and the IE 10 update (KB4511872) are installed. No apparent performance impacts. :)

You should never feel you cannot say that (or even have to qualify it). A reality check is healthy. For example, I was very big on extending Vista's longevity, but it seems to be experiencing just enough issues or concerns with the latest Server 2008 updates, that it has now become a less attractive option for me. And with Windows 8 running SO well, I can feel good about letting go of past OS releases. I will miss Windows 2000 and Windows XP x64 Edition, but they had their time, and I was fond of it.

@erpdude8 I am darned sure that at any given point, you only need to install the latest Flash update for Windows 8. That's all I do on a new installation.

While it makes sense, I never knew that was the case.

Now that April 2013 ISO - does that include a rollup of updates? How far back does it go?

Are those compatible with the KernelEx and other updates from here?

Like I did for Basilisk way back when - me thinks you're right

Plus, I tired running the x64 build of InterLink on Windows 8. It threw an error (I'll have to go fetch it). Apparently, the x64 version requires the AVX instruction set. I'm sure that would cause problems on older x64 versions of XP on older hardware, no?

Thanks Jaclaz. I'll look into that when I get home