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Scrolling too far? FB isn't that bad, all things considered. I can imagine the tab's process running out of memory if running 32-bit browser. I mean, all that content must be stored somewhere. Does memory at least get released when navigating away? LOL, consumption on my FB front page is about 205 MB with Firefox 110 here, without scrolling down of course. I got to 2 GB scrolling one random page, then I stopped, should replace 32-bit Firefox with 64-bit at some point. Not that I really need to go that far on any such heavy page, but since I got the hardware... Well, honestly, consumption could be heavily reduced by employing pagination, but why do that when everyone has gigabytes of RAM and can keep people hooked without having to click to navigate to new page.

I just did! Strangely, CPU-Z 2.09 on XP isn't prompting me that there's an update. I don't know if that is significant or not.

CPU-Z 2.10 does not run on Win XP. The last working version is 2.09. But the discontinuation of XP support has not been announced, so it's a bug, but I couldn't find how to inform the developer about the problem, there is no forum or feedback.

Pfffffff! That doesn't count even for one second, only real hardware does.

... Oops dear Dave , isn't that a contradiction of sorts? Not really, as when I posted the first quote I hadn't been told by @Sampei.Nihira about the way that uBlock Origin Lite works, which gave me the clue as to what was actually happening. I hadn't made the connection until then.

@HSerg ok fixed those https://startisback.com/StartAllBack_setup.exe thx for excellent report pls test

... In addition to the on-line Contact Form, the "cpuz_readme.txt" file bundled in the ZIP distributions contains a valid e-mail address : CPU-Z Readme file ------------------ Version 2.10 July 2024 Contact : cpuz@cpuid.com Web page: https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html Validation page : https://valid.x86.fr/ Hall of Fame : https://valid.x86.fr/records.php CPUID SDK : https://www.cpuid-pro.com/products-services.php OT: Luckily for me, v2.10 does launch successfully under Vista SP2 x86 ; whenever I read about an app ceasing to function under WinXP SP3, I fear the same would be true for NT 6.0, because most app authors tend to put Vista inside the same boat as XP ... But in this case it may be the author simply upgraded to a compiler not targeting NT 5.x by default/at all ...

Facebook as well as all these social media sites have become overbloated more and more day by day and year by year. I've just logged in an old FB account in Mypal 68, and the RAM eating started. Only my FB front page open, and Mypal 68 consumes 750 MB. I won't test this crappy service in Thorium as there is not enough RAM for such bad sites. I think such social media sites are more made for mobile devices the last years. On Android, there are corresponding apps for each of these services. Personally, I do not use these services. And I hate them all.

You can use the contact form. https://www.cpuid.com/contact.html

I had those right from the start with all ported forks of Chrome that came out after v.111. I found a good China made fork which doesn't have any of those problems, but it doesn't run on XP, otherwise I'd given it to you a long time ago. Unfortunately, I can't be of help since I'm on a very long vacation. And making a further research is not so convenient from an iPad. As a quick fix, try to use the below command. https://msfn.org/board/topic/186133-thorium/?do=findComment&comment=1270805

@Tihiy Use "StartAllBack" for opening the dump. Video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dikWb1FGlxAGLk8q_LFxB29DJrLuMn1c/view?usp=sharing 00:00 - first desktop with firefox windows 00:05 - switch to empty second desktop 00:55 - explorer crash (see dump) & restart 01:03 - second desktop loaded 01:08 - switch to first desktop with firefox windows 02:20 - first desktop loaded Dump: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c2mZ97ppkXFGGDzLCHYjEhhHG6cvVHVS/view?usp=sharing

Looks I'll be waiting for that popup for quite some time. Probably not worth continuing at this point. 32 videos in, only thing wrong is that tab keeps hammering one CPU core at 100% when focused even if video is paused. I'd also need that script @NotHereToPlayGames mentioned that prevents the other popup that pauses video for inactivity / being away from the computer to be able to leave it unattended. Sure, it may work for the few of us, but uBO has large user base, there are many websites out there, and it's a fact that both filter authors' and users' feedback shaped it to become like it is today. Thanks, I'm aware of it, though I don't feel it to be needed for me at this time. Also, well, Firefox with more recent uBO is just a click away. Sure, it's a bit different, but honestly it's not that bad even if my ramblings here would have you believe otherwise. I'm more bothered by other things in life that don't have to do with computers.

My copy of Thorium has now started running out of memory when scrolling on sites like Facebook and Instagram. It didn't use to do this, it was much better than Supermium in that respect, and it's been fine for months. Anyone any idea why it would suddenly start doing this, I haven't knowingly changed anything which might have caused it? Of course, the sites themselves may have changed, but any changes made haven't caused any obvious visual changes in them.

It should be mentioned at this point that I do not use uBO Legacy 1.16.4.35 at factory defaults. I use a different set of filter lists than the default one. Furthermore, I use additional lists, own rules and scripts. The initial, default setting is only a basic one and is not YouTube related. And I didn't get a video ad on the second video.

But now that various theories have been put forward about YouTube and overlay pop-ups with warnings to the user, I am happy to put forward my theory, which I will not verify or prove in any way. Google, and therefore YouTube, wants to make money. If users use the service over a long period of time without being a premium customer and yet without getting and watching any adverts, then this will certainly be registered by YouTube and therefore by Google in whatever way. These users must then have been using an adblocker the whole time and will eventually receive this overlay pop-up warning.

You didn't say that in this post. You only talked about a certain number of videos. Now suddenly, it's the duration. Somehow I get the feeling that these are just unsubstantiated theories and nothing more. But YouTube is a crappy interface and no option for browsers on my system. I use YouTube itself only on my Android tablet. Anyway! Opening videos via the legacy extension uTube is much, much, much better than the original YouTube interface. So, I am not interested in investigating the YouTube interface in UXP browsers.

I tried your first playlist in the most recent version of New Moon 28 using the legacy extension uTube and my mod uBlock Origin Legacy with several filter lists enabled. No such overlay popup after playing 8 and more music videos.

Important to mention, making this a standalone post. Those jailed ones were not committing real crimes (in contrast to the ones Durov is being accused of). They are punished for the disagreement with Russia's policies.

But Durov's VK did accept those demands of the Russian government, there are literally tons of criminal cases against Russian citizens based on their posts in VK. VK gave out all info, including real addressees to the Russian FSB, plenty of arrests were made, then followed by criminal prosecution. Also, Durov made it even worse, without any announcement, he simply sold the VK platform to another Kremlin/FSB controlled oligarch. People were getting jailed for several yeras old posts. It's all publicly known. I obviously shan't post any links, those all are easy to find, I don't want to be falsely blamed for "involving politics into forum" nonsense, so I digress.

Don't underestimate the competence of the French intelligence services: DGSE, DGSI, and the DST.

Durov completed training at the military faculty of St. Petersburg State University in the propaganda filed, served as platoon commander in the Russian Armed Forces, Senior Lieutenant.

The charges against Pavel Durov have been published by the French authorities: What is of interest to Telegram users, I'll translate. - Complicity - Administration of an online platform to allow an illegal transaction in an organised band (gang, as in for organised crime, bandits). - Refusal to communicate, at the request of the authorised authorities, the information or documents necessary. You all are very welcome to seek for better translations. Source: French Security Researcher Baptiste Robert His verified account: https://www.x.com/fs0c131y

Nothing odd, simple data mining by the Russian FSB. I hope you didn't give them yours.

Given the all-out panic by the Kremlin concerning Durov's arrest, it is clear that Durov was a critical Russian asset and there will be direct implications on the ground for Russia. They call him the "Chief of Communications for the Russian Armed Forces". This all D.Draker wrote all the time, and long before. @Cocodile seemed to be one of the few who listened, Will now be the mass exodus, what other members think? If so, where will you go?

Inductive conclusion and generalisation of my empirically acquired data regarding sudden Thorium (Chrome) browser crashes: After all the measures, investigations and my proof, I described in detail in previous posts, I have come to the conclusion that spontaneous, recurring crashes of Chrome browsers, as, for example, Thorium, can be caused first and foremost by drivers or driver corpses, but also by services or programmes, running in the background responsible for interference, among other things like hardware defects and so on, of course. The so-called filter drivers deserve special mention at this point. Many of the Chrome browser crashes that have been numerously reported in different Internet forums, are probably due to this. But without a thorough investigation, such issues can't be clarified, and their real cause was therefore very often never discovered. So, my advice at this point. If such crashes happen, check first the Windows\System32\drivers folder for drivers or driver remnants that could be the causer (in most cases rather drivers from third-party providers), even if they are loaded correctly and do not produce any error messages! Problematic drivers can of course be loaded from other locations than the Windows\System32\drivers folder, too, especially when it comes to third-party drivers, all depending on the respective system, of course.

For me, that test is 50/50 chance, even on my newest hardware. Chrome eats up the CPU.

By the looks of it, it's 5.5.xxxxx. Probably, Dixel didn't want to disclose the version due to privacy concerns.

The best Kernel is from June 2022, maybe also try Oct. 2022. Others I don't like, many problems, low FPS in games.

Thank you very much for providing this information! Thank you very much for being objective. Many times, MSFN members, for example @Dixel, @D.Draker and I, we all raised questions about the content @Sampei.Nihira posts. It's very often misleading, provocative, dubious, erroneous, or simply re-pasted from untrusted sources. Addition: Again, many thanks for keeping us informed,

@Dixelwrote about Cloudfare captcha, not that Latvian provider. https://2captcha.com/demo/cloudflare-turnstile

@Dietmar, you're super cool! Greetings from Belgium from Saxon!

@Dave-H When you open the original, unmodified loader in Resource Hacker 5.1.8, you will see that its content is listed in italics. This is a sign that you only have restricted access which occurrs if, for example, the file is UPX-compressed. BTW, there is a tool that can process the file immediately under Windows XP without a prior, separate decompression by the user. The tool is called Resource Tuner, but it is a commercial programme. But TBH, Resource Hacker 5.1.8 in combination with the UPX tool is totally sufficient.

@Dave-H For solving browser or other software problems related to drivers and/or services, you can use third-party tools. For example, the DriverView v1.51 tool from NirSoft to easily identify all third-party drivers. However, this tool can only list all drivers but doesn't let you delete or modify any of them. But you get an informative and quick overview. Contrary to it, the Service Manager 4.6 tool from foxplanet.de let you manage and delete all drivers and services. The latter is simply a great piece of software. You can list services and/or drivers in different ways to get a better overview. Try it and you will see yourself! Unfortunately, I hadn't installed it in my secondary, problematic Windows XP partition but only in my primary one. It would have been very helpful if I had consulted it regarding my Thorium issue.

You're welcome! You mean the one that installs another system level driver revoflt.sys to accumulate more Thorium crashes and BSOD? "BSOD error stated - revoflt.sys system_service_exception" https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/bsod-revofltsys-systemserviceexception/0b504c4f-875e-46e9-939e-93e3c44b1e5a Though, yes, I agree in some limited cases it can help. But it's painfully slow on deleting many small files.

So much for Revo Uninstaller or similar popular "uninstallers". Nevertheless, congratulations! I frequently check the driver folder and sort out non-Vista junk by the date.

My investigation of all other drivers, which might be problematic in that partition, has been finally finished. After all these already performed measures and all this hypothesis stuff , here's now a little and in my opinion quite interesting proof (what else could you expect from me ): Prerequisites: A native Windows XP Professional SP3 32-bit without any POSReady updates, Thorium SSE2 122.0.6261.171 WINXP x32, Total Commander and Process Hacker. Assertion: Driver remnants from previously uninstalled programmes can cause spontaneous, irregular crashes of the Thorium browser under Windows XP Professional 32-bit. Proof: The current status at the beginning of this proof: Thorium is still crashing spontaneously, sooner or later, without any recognisable pattern. After a thorough investigation of all installed drivers in this Windows XP partition listed in the prerequisites, I found three drivers in the c:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ folder in the form of SYS files, which are loaded correctly after system startup, though. These files are avgntflt.sys, avipbb.sys and avkmgr.sys whose manufacturer is Avira. They are automatically loaded at system startup and logged in the Event Viewer as properly loaded drivers. That's why I didn't notice them earlier as I only looked there for errors. However, there are no programmes of this manufacturer installed any longer in this partition. This was indeed the crucial hint. After checking and unpacking all installation files that could have installed these drivers in the past, I was able to identify the culprit. It was the crappy Wise Anti Malware 2.2.1, which was installed for a short time for testing purposes only. With the help of Process Hacker and Total Commander, I was able to stop the associated processes and completely remove all three driver files, but only after restarting the system. Immediately afterwards, I opened the Thorium browser, configured it completely and restarted the browser several times. No first launch crashes anymore! Various pages were called up. The browser did not crash even once, no matter what actions were performed. Now, Thorium is working absolute stably in this partition as it is in my POSReady partition. So, these three drivers or at least, one of them (probably the avgntflt.sys driver as it is a filter driver and was more difficult to remove), were definitely the cause of the permanent Thorium crashes. q.e.d. PS: So, forget about my formerly created hypotheses H0! They all have to be rejected with an empirically determined probability of type I error of nearly 0. There is no indication that Thorium requires POSReady updates under Windows XP 32-bit, at least at the moment.

Regarding my issue with sudden Thorium crashes, I performed the following measures so far: Checking the file system for errors. Checking the integrity of the partition structure. Purging the partition in terms of trash/temp files. Complete defragmentation of the partition. Offline defragmentation of pagefile and registry files. Clearing and reorganising of the prefetch files. Checking the registry for errors and fixing them. Checking for missing updates performed by Legacy Update. Adding a couple of Windows updates which weren't offered by WU/MU. Installation of the Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 - 2019 Redistributable Package as it is also installed in the POSReady partition. Verifying the integrity of the DirectX 9.0c installation. Verifying the integrity of all .NET Framework installations. Uninstalling or disabling programmes which are permanently loaded and don't exist in my POSReady installation. Checking all autostart programmes and services. Fixing of all errors from the event log. Configuration of all services corresponding to my POSReady installation. Updating of programmes, which are permanently loaded, to the same version as in the POSReady installation. Update of the root certificates. Fixing a network error and adjusting all network settings. Graphics card driver completely uninstalled, all leftovers cleaned and more recent driver version installed. Now, my Windows XP Pro SP3 installation without POSReady updates is completely error-free except the issue with sudden Thorium crashes . The good is this Windows XP installation is now even fresher and faster than ever. My next measure is the check of all other drivers in that partition which might be problematic.

Explains what? The *one* (and only one) member that shouts from rooftop to have his PC broken after the deletion of vulkan files is you. UCyborg just wrote to you, without them - no crashes with the browser at all.

Why it's cropped? Not only Win10 is not related to this topic, it's also non-informative at all. No device, no driver version, no bitness is shown. Edit. Driver version is important since Vulkan was fully implemented starting from 369.xx

It's XP, not XP64 you claimed to have problems with.

Of course he does, his GPU, and the OS he's on, are Vulkan capable, unlike yours,

Why "bad advice"? So far, no one reported any problems. The link to UCyborg's post, I just read it, he talks about another matter. Saxon is again just being objective, no sides.

First do the following to make sure. From extensive research on this topic, I understand that all those .dlls are a delay load dependency, not an immediate startup dependency. Chrome will only load them if it gets a proper Vulkan config from your setup. Get the latest XP capable GPUz, see if you have a Vilkan capable system. Example:

Shoot a short video like @66cats does, add here so we can see.

I think @roytam1's server is owned by Cloudflare, so that's probably OK; just needs a more permanent domain name. (Like many cloud servers, it hosts multiple domains, so you can't just use its IP address and be done with this nonsense.) For now o.rths.ml is fine, but I suspect @siria is correct; it's just a matter of time before it becomes too popular "fraudulent" in FreeNom's eyes.

Alright folks, my browser installer has been updated to use @roytam1's new hostname. Enjoy! As always, it's available on my web site at: http://i430vx.net/files/XP/RoyTam Browser Installer.exe

mega is too slow to upload here.

because freenom killed my free domain again. (there is no fraud in my site, but freenom thinks so for no reason.) so you may change from rths.cf to rths.ml if rths.ml also "dies", I will finally need to buy a domain from somewhere else for running the site as freenom don't let me create new domain: https://my.freenom.com/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=9

cool screenshot, using windowblinds? I can import more commits from mozilla, but I may not be able to verify if those commits can fix this issue or not.

yes but it may not be good to patch win7/8/8.1/10 x86/x64 shunimpl.dll for that.