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Yep, the website is only in english but it works on all languages.

Finally, the WINDOWS UPDATE HAS COME BACK TO WINDOWS 98/ME!!!! (read this in The Rock's voice) Took it long enough... (11 YEARS!?!?) I will test the website tomorrow ASAP (98 on VM, 2000 on real computer). By the way, i would remind you that you shall do some negotiations with Legacy Update team to include V4 on their sites, if you want... We can host our private servers, you know, we already have our domain... I've just gave some facts to consider what is next... Also, you can extract all official (and unofficial) updates in the AutoPatcher for Windows 98. The real thing is rewritting the download links to make this thing working... Still, HUGE freaking congrats to all of those who made this website functional!!!!! Cheers, mates!

Yes, I want to do that.

nvm i found virus but

You can be a tester (but join the Discord as we do not publish all files on MSFN). Everyone can participate. @legacyfan You can help by being a tester too, and finding download links and updates for Windows 98/Me in all languages, or translating the existing pages. @mina7601 You can also do that too if you don't want to be a tester.

By the way, is there any compatibility with non-English OS versions?

By the way, how can I help in this project?

For the second question, you will get disappointed. The last version of IE that works properly on Windows 95 is IE 5.5 SP2. I don't really know of someone made a patch or a back port of IE6 on W95. For the first question... This is a first time i saw this type of question on forum... But probably it would work, with a lots of bugs, because it was designed to work in W95/3.xx kernel, and W2000 was on "all-new" NT kernel... Or it might won't even work...

Compare your "Page Load Time" extension to the "finish" and "load" indicated in Developer Tools. You may find that your "Page Load Time" does not properly count the way some pages load - ie, javascript can tell the browser that the page is fully loaded while images are still being downloaded. I don't recall the specifics, but I know it can be done, intentionally delay image-load so that the user can read the web site while images that you have not scrolled into view are still being downloaded.

And why use an extension when the Developer Tools has a page load indicator?

Yeah, got it. Thanks.

Maybe consider upgrading your hw? Runs like a dream on machines with SSD drives.

For me, 8.1 is similarly fast to 7, but slower than 8.0.

@legacyfan: did you try your luck with the USB3 drivers of the latest Patch Integrator (from here)?

thanks @WULover I'll do my best!

i changed my os name to win 7 to get new malwarebytes

New Malwarebytes works great with vista need jut to change windows 6.0 to windows 6.1 for install then remove the 1 from windows 6.1 after install. It crashes sometimes

if there's anything I could do for the project I would be willing to pitch in as well to help this great project (because windows needs saving)

I agree 100%, would be a great idea imo.

Serpent (2023/04/13) does not work properly with eBay. Bidding or sending offers is no longer possible. There's also still a less serious but nevertheless long-standing issue with the watchlist page on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/mye/myebay/watchlist Serpent incorrectly renders the iframe horizontally which necessitates scrolling from left to right. Thanks

AstroSkipper, I agree with you 100% ! I'd also add simple mechanical failures due to the dried out motor bearings lubricant ! And/or dust inside (yes, dust inside of newly-made japs-made Toshiba/Hitachi) , jaclaz may just be too young to remember the DeathStar HDD from Toshiba, so let's not get too hard on him ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deskstar

Still hoping for working v4 Windows 98SE/ME but that's already good progress! It's been more than 11 years since it got shut down, time flies

Yeah but it still works tho if you scan the QR Code

And then WhatsApp's icon becomes gray, and "(Outdated)" appears next to its name in the window title.

If you download an older installer (.exe) and install it on Windows 7/8.1 it will automatically say that there is an update available and will internally update the app to the latest version. All you can‘t do is to install it directly

1. I don't have such hardware. 2. It is definitely off-topic for this thread.

@SweetLow Do you think you might be able to figure out why Windows 98's ESDI_506.PDR driver fails to load when booting off of the SD card interface on rasteri's WeeCee and Eivind's Tinyllama 1 and 2. They both use this "RDC SD-IDE Host Controller" device that works fine in 2000 and XP, but 98 doesn't like it for some as yet undiscovered reason. Do you think you might be interested in solving this?

I definitely noticed it on my end. The JavaScript feels smoother in more recent releases of New Moon...not sure if there's been some code optimization but anything that can be done to enhance the JS speed is always welcome. (Of course, with JS turned off all New Moon releases I've tried are lightning fast, but there are precious few sites now that don't use it.) Up until very recently I noticed I still needed to install Palefill--this seems to have changed (and it is nice to have WebComponents enabled!) but as Ramon said, I think it is better to download Palefill anyway as a precautionary measure. Things can & do happen.

palefill becomes indeed mostly useless with the latest browsers based on the latest UXP versions, this also includes IceApe-UXP and BNavigator and the main stream Pale Moon and Basilisk. I would still suggest you keep it in simply disabled in your Add on list so that you can re-enable quickly it in case something stops working.

But that's not what you said earlier: So first it was, UXP needs Rust to properly implement m10s mode; now adding Rust code to UXP would just be "useless cruft." Which is it? I also sense a straw-man argument. I didn't say MCP should incorporate Rust code into UXP, only that they could, if they felt it was necessary. (Actually, I'm surprised they didn't do so back when MAT was there, just to make our lives more difficult.) Come on; the "defining feature" of Chrome isn't multi-process, it's Googlisms: frequent additions to JS/CSS, proposed by Google, Inc., that require equally frequent browser updates to implement, thus ensuring obsolescence of any browser not backed by a development team large enough to implement the continual flow of new Googlisms. (Of course we have seen at least one "Mozilla-ism," so Google isn't the only one playing this game; but it's quite clear that Google is far and away the dominant player.) In theory that would probably work! The only problem is, companies at that scale are less committed to "philosophy," so it's easier for them either to just start with the dominant engine - Cr - and add their own flourishes (M$), or to work out a tech-sharing agreement with Google (Mozilla and - probably - Apple). That is true as well. E10s is certainly not for the smaller, slower systems many users are running XP on, and it makes less difference on 64-bit systems with essentially unlimited virtual RAM. It's probably best suited for larger, faster 32-bit systems, since you can use more virtual RAM without "maxing out" and crashing a single process. One nice thing about the implementation we have in Serpent is that it can keep e10s on a rather tight leash, limiting the number of processes to fit your PC's resources. Cr, OTOH, spawns processes like crazy - often several per tab. Even though they're generally rather small, they can quickly overwhelm a smaller PC if you open a lot of tabs.

It's Spotify's launcher.

Guys i have the latest version of ext kernel but spotify still doesn't work. I noticed in @YukkuriSphoto that the shortcut is for "SpotifyLauncher.exe" located in C:\Program Files, what is it???? I have Spotify.exe shortcut located in Appdata\Roaming. And also the installer gives me: "Can't find entry point in TryAcquireSRWLockExclusive in Kernel32.dll". What do i have to do to get spotify working??????

@Mathwiz But the thing is UXP uses no Rust, so it is basically useless cruft to add that back. There is just minimalist Rust usage in code bases below 57 - what for a use would it be to restore this again? Rust clearly makes only sense if you would use a code base beyond 57 as planned base code for any theoretical future release (and that would be a no-go again as the classic UI with it's unique features could not be brought forward) - 100% flawlessly working Multi-Process usage in an engine below 57 is a goal basically impossible. I would say there are 2 defining moments in Mozilla's own timeline: - Firefox 0.x-56 - the era of customization and being different towards Chrome - Firefox 57 - ??? - the era of minimalism and simplicity - "maximum Chrome user compatibility" And yeah, they are optimized for Chrome - but what is the defining feature what Chrome uses? Multi-process - UXP web compatibility issues are are totally unique problem.

Since it provides important context but is only a few lines longer, here's the actual start of that thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15278883 And that was written six years ago. Things have only gotten worse. For example, the Big Four are now the Big Three since Microsoft threw in the towel and jumped on the Cr bandwagon. I don't think Rust is a no-go for MCP, since they're targeting Win 7 and up. It would certainly complicate @roytam1's job and our lives, but @feodor2 has found ways to compile Rust code for XP; e.g., MyPal 68 - so Rust wouldn't necessarily be a show-stopper for us either. M10s doesn't fully solve the memory issues though. I have m10s active at work (32-bit WinXP) and while it lets me use Outlook.com for a while, eventually the process gets over 1 GB (!), the CPU usage goes to 99%, and I have to close the tab, wait for everything to calm down, then click "Undo Close Tab," after which I'm fine for a while longer until the cycle repeats. They really need to limit the cache size somehow, Rust or no Rust. It's worse than that: modern web pages are designed to work properly only on Chromium-based browsers. (Well, plus Safari, but I suspect if we could see Safari's code, it would look more like Cr than even modern FF. Whether we like it or not (in my case, definitely not, but it doesn't change the reality), Google's Chrome and Cr-based offshoots like Edge and (barely) Opera dominate today's browser landscape. While I criticize Mozilla for duplicating way too much of Chrome's look and feel, we're lucky that even modern FF exists as something of an alternative at all, let alone UXP.

I do have to restart UXP based browsers more and more often, at some point the cache has to be dropped otherwise it is the same thing than a memory leak. It is not trivial for a programmer though to decide what is best to cache and for how long. I do remember an old Article from Raymond Chen taking about this and hw Acess was able to improve its performance by not caching some results that were easy to recalculate. For sure UXP has a problem and there is a lot of cache they should drop and that never gets dropped, otherwise it would not seems normal to everyone that a session is supposed to get slower and slower. and that you hould just upgrad your RAM. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20041220-00/?p=36943

Memory management topic popped up on Pale Moon forums recently. I've always assumed the browser's codebase has memory leaks, but they say it's caching and by design. Strange design... And that thing about Gmail (or any site leaking memory) doesn't compute in my head. Last time I checked, you don't do mallocs and frees in JavaScript, so how can you "leak" memory as a website? Isn't that what garbage collector is for? It seems this design can lead to browser eventually hanging, at least or especially 32-bit versions, presumably due to all gunk hanging around, plus extensions also pollute process' address space, can't tell whether the impact is significant. At least those that aren't unpacked, its XPI file is mapped in the process' address space. So more RAM and running 64-bit version may prevent the gunk from killing the browser, but it won't prevent sluggishness that occurs over time, for which the only cure is restart of the browser. From my experience, I wouldn't say heavy "Googlized" sites alone are the factor.

Excellent! Glad you are the sharing type @SweetLow.

Thank you! I'll try it and send results. Oh and sorry if insisted i didn't know that you didn't have much time

Sorry it took such a long time, but I've just added a new version that should work with the new Extended Kernel release. Be aware though that it has had very limited testing so far as I've unfortunately had very little time recently!

I really should have started my own thread, about running from USB. For my part, it's running from memory; but booted from USB. I run most Win9x systems this way, but not always booting from USB. This is just another note/update. I recently ran into, on and off, blue screen parity errors. On this particular machine, I was using memdisk (Syslinux) with Grub2. It could've been an issue, with the shared Video memory. It is fixed in BIOS at 32mb. I think it was more likely something to do with how Windows/Himem.sys calculates available memory, when using some memory for a HardDisk image. The machine has 1.5gb of RAM. The disk image is 300mb (on the dot). When Windows did successfully load, it would report around 1200mb of memory. After loading, there does not seem to be any stability issues. There is probably some hardware/software initializing sequence, that determines the pass or fail. My assumption would be that this is "more" related to my hardware's initialization. By the time Windows gets a chance to load, the difference between pass or fail has likely already been set. Several memory sticks were swapped out. Some 512mb and others 1Gb. I never tested with only the built in 512mb (this is a laptop). Memory tests cleared the memory as healthy. I am running with Rloew's memory patch. The solution has been to set "MaxPhysPage=", in SYSTEM.INI, and under the "[386Enh]" section. When you figure the amount to set, the drive image must be included in your calculation. You do not set how much memory you expect to see reported in "System Properties". You set that amount, plus the HardDisk image amount. Take the total desired amount, in megabytes, multiplied by 256 and converted into hexadecimal. There is now no occasional parity error, and I have near total memory available. I wasn't sure it that was going to be the case. I started with a setting well below the total amount, and then worked my way up. As this is a live HardDrive image, I could've saved and booted the "live" image, after each adjustment. I just used Qemu, from the live environment, and booted the stored image file to Dos. The Dos text editor provides a quick modification path, to "SYSTEM.INI". This saves on USB writes and time. There may be a different solution. For now, this seems to work great.

Now installers for NT5.x work! Download from https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsVjtW11rJfA3FQANrgg_QXRMgfx?e=lCF2lV, run it on your system and everything will work! Installers for NT6.x currently do not work. I'm testing them.

Alternatively, you could just have the batch swap out SYSTEM.DAT files. But that would mean any registry update, you saved, would need to be committed to each "hardware configuration" SYSTEM.DAT file. Another one of those, pick your poison things. Not that you would often need to save new registry setting, if the system was fairly complete in configuration. That is where making portable apps comes in handy. They also make new system setup handy. If they are homemade portable apps, you can just make sure to put them in the same location as when they where created; and done. The exception being software with VXD files, or anything that needs to be activated during Windows boot; this rather then at application execution.

I thought of another option. You could use a USB add-on card or PCMCIA. Then you could have the bios booting USB host disabled in Windows. But the add-on USB would provide you with active USB support. It isn't pretty, but it would be easier.

What happens when you install the USB drivers for Windows? Booting Win98 from USB uses BIOS to provide the USB drive as drive C:. When you install USB drivers, it will cause problems. So, you could just never use USB. But if you have enough memory, - You could setup Win98se on the computer, drivers and all - Reduce it in size, unless you have a lot of memory - Create a harddrive img or vhd file large enough to hold your Windows install. - Use Virtualbox or something to make the harddrive image a system disk, using a Win98 floppy image. (Create one from your install, if you installed any update that modified MsDos 7 Boot files.) - Copy you Windows installation to the harddrive image. (Do not overwrite MsDos 7 boot files.) - Format your USB drive as FAT32. - Install Grub4Dos to the USB drive. - Then configure Grub4Dos to enable USB support and boot the Win98 harddrive image from memory. Every time you shutdown any changes will be lost. You can get around this by installing the HxD hex editor, and using it to copy the entire drive image to a new file. You do this "while" Windows is running. Then you swap the saved image with the new one you just created. You do this before shutdown or reboot. Some changes try to reboot Windows when they are finished. Like installing DirectX. Most of the time you are given a prompt, with an "OK" button. Run HxD and save the image before clicking the "OK" prompt. If you are given no prompt, you'll need to modify your harddrive boot image to start in Safe mode, on next boot. Then boot the harddrive image in VirtualBox or something. Finally, install whatever caused a reboot without prompting you first. As an additional tip, use or create portable applications. Also install those portable application to you USB drive, not the Windows harddrive image. That is, unless you have a huge amount of memory. You'll want to set a permanent drive letter for you USB drive, from the Drive's "Device Manager" properties. You'll probably want to move the default Windows and Dos temporary folders to a folder on the USB drive. Again, you'll want to assign a permanent drive letter to your USB drive You'll also have to decide if you want you Virtual memory enabled or not. It saves room on the harddrive image if you disable it. Drive C: will be running in "Dos Compatibility Mode". But it won't really matter. If you get a warning about your boot sector potentially being infected/corrupted, it is because you booted the image by it's partition and not as the drive. Nothing is wrong. Grub4Dos creates fake boot data to initiate the boot.

Very good!!!!! Finally some good news. Can't wait to see completed v3.1!!! Still, the big problems with v4 website are still not solved. The second most important WU website, after v6, imo. I'm gonna check if that v3.1 website is working on my W98 VM! Welp, for some reason, it redirects me to the 404 error, so i can't see it in the moment.

Nothing is currently complete, we won't make a guide until Windows Update is fully working

Happy New Year

In my opinion, and it's because of version 3 WU, i would go on Windows 95 and NT 4 (Server and Workstation versions). Also you said about getting new inventory system until 2002. Windows 95 was supported until December 31st 2001. (it's a shame that it wasn't long supported) So this does mean that it can recognize all W95 updates with this updated inventory system that has surpassed W95 EOL. You should especially focus on getting this working on 95 with different IE browser versions. (on some browsers it does work, on some it doesn't)

In my childhood, the real deal was the Nokia Symbian OS and Series 60 feature phones. Nowdays, my favorite smartphone OS are Android 4xx series and IOS 9. Visually perfect in comparason of today's minimalistic OS-es.

What you're seeing here is nothing more than custom drawn frame by the program displaying the help page. If you want Windows 7 theme on Windows 8.1, try this one: https://deviantart.com/damonkeyoncrack/art/Aero7-V2-for-Windows-8-8-1-429412929