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I have yet to see any evidence of these supposed "misguided people." We have only your word on the subject, which, given your general behavior and attitude, is not necessarily reputable. If one takes the source code for a given program (X) and re-compiles it targeting another platform (Y), how is it NOT "X for Y"? These programs are open source. If someone chooses to recompile them targeting a different platform, they have every right to do so, whether you like it or not. Good luck switching to "closed source," drop back by in a few years when you reach a closed-source state equivalent to the current open-source one you "leeched" from Mozilla. I've seen how you deal with these "poor ___ Linux builders" as you refer to them. You drop in, make demands and threats, create a general atmosphere of negativity that poisons the waters and turns everyone off, all the while hoping that no one stands up to your bullying. Most people eventually give in and give up, not willing to deal with your constant attacks. I'm afraid that modus operandi will not work here. I know for a fact that roytam's New Moon 27 builds are in fact named "New Moon" and not "Pale Moon" and do include a disclaimer on the About dialog that states the build is unofficial and specifically says not to request help on the official Pale Moon forum or otherwise. This thread is also mentioned. So what more do you expect? If the supposed "misguided people" you refer to are too ignorant to read and abide by these disclaimers then nothing else is going to stop them either. In the end all of these programs, including yours and those of Moonchild Productions, descend from Firefox or other Mozilla sources. The "chain of descent" is there, and it is not going away because someone changes a name or writes a disclaimer. Even if the name were changed, what happens when someone simply asks "what is this based on?" When the answer is given no one can control how others may use that piece of information to seek out the project's "upstreams." Even after all this ranting you still have not made any set of concrete "minimal acceptable changes" from your point of view. You keep changing them based on your level of annoyance each time you post. First it's change a name. Then it's full branding. Then "unofficial branding" is OK. Then it isn't. You noted at one point that mentions of the original names would be necessary for "profile compatibility reasons." Now, "ALL THE ORIGINAL NAMES MUST GO!" This is beyond ridiculous. Maybe roytam isn't a good graphics artist? I myself certainly wouldn't want to have to undertake the task of creating new "branding" that is worthy of the underlying code here. I'm no programmer, but I would take bets that changing the names and such would also create more headaches for roytam and his users in the fact that this could cause Addons and other associated applications to not recognize roy's builds, thereby forcing him or his users to manually modify every single Addon or associated application in order to get it working as it should. If my assumption of this is correct, what reasonable person with a life and better things to do who would choose this path? I'm sorry, but no truly serious user of these builds has any confusion whatsoever about what they are using. If the official installer(s) won't run on your non-supported platform and you had to get a build from here, that's self explanatory. And, if you're running on a supported platform where the official installer(s) work, that's self explanatory as well, and why would you come here in the first place? Covered this above, but once again - "If one takes the source code for a given program (X) and re-compiles it targeting another platform (Y), how is it NOT "X for Y"?" You "don't want to hear" these things because you don't like the fact that someone had the gall and took the time to compile your project for a different target platform that you disapprove of. That's the beauty of open source. Also once again - "Good luck switching to "closed source," drop back by in a few years when you reach a closed-source state equivalent to the current open-source one you "leeched" from Mozilla." See above about causing issues with Addons and associated applications. You claim that there is some "advantage" in the changes you are demanding when it seems more likely that this will only create more work for the developer. I see no advantage whatsoever to be gained by these projects from your suggestions, only that you just want things your way. I don't speak for roytam, but if I were in his shoes I would be all the less inclined to acquiesce to any of your demands simply based on your behavior. You have chosen to act in a condescending and demanding manner laced with threats to keep throwing roadblocks in the way of or create problems in any way possible for roytam's projects. On the other side, you create more annoyance for yourself by coming here and ranting about supposed "misguided users" who are troubling you, when it would be simpler (and probably better for your health) just to tell them off and go on about your day. You appear to thrive on creating a negative environment and beating dead horses. And, in the end, if you decide to try and make good on your threats then you will create more work for yourself in rewriting closed-source code to replace the open-source code you "borrowed" but don't like others "borrowing." Based on this and in the interest of civility I will state that I believe this "discussion" is never going anywhere. Please stop wasting everyone's time with your threats, condescension, and negative attitude. These will get you nothing here, except an end to OUR "diplomacy."

@LoneCrusader thank you for your input! I had just learned a bit of business English and I learned lots of words from your post!

@roytam1 If you ever want different icons for your builds please let me know I've been playing around quite a bit with paint.net and commercial-friendly stock photos. It's been a pretty fun experience and I would love to share https://imgur.com/a/cgvWC59 3D B&W Win95 icon, golden-ish 9x logo, and my personal Ifranview picture

I think we all understand that you are not Moonchild nor do you speak for MCP in this case. However you get grouped together with MCP here because you have been variously associated with them and apparently share the same condescending attitude toward XP (and Vista) users. This attitude is what turns everyone here off; I mean really, what do "you guys" care what operating system other people choose to use? Don't want to "support" it in your projects? Fine. Just don't break it on purpose, and don't act as if someone is committing a sin by using it on a "unapproved" platform. I fail to understand what bothers you so much about people asking about the XP builds based on this latest statement. Why not just tell them to "p*** off" as you put it and go on about your day? Now, back to the issue. If you wish to make a "reasonable" request, then do so in a "reasonable" and diplomatic manner. Coming in here and making demands and threats will get you nowhere. I'm willing to accept that your desire to have these "forked projects" disassociated from "Binary Outcast" is a "reasonable" request. However you need to lose the attitude first and foremost, and then make a clear policy on whether or not and how you wish to be credited or mentioned at all in any subsequent "forked" project. You have given conflicting statements on this depending on your attitude whenever you were posting. Do you want roytam to just change the names, icons and such? Do you want any stated credit such as "this project is forked from ___ " "created by ____"? Do you want to be "erased" entirely from the resulting fork? If roytam does these things you "request," then does that mean you will lose the condescending attitude and derogatory language in reference to these builds here and elsewhere? In your opinion; which most everyone here does not share. This is a nonstarter here. It doesn't matter how much "insight" you believe you have into this code; it works on these older platforms and since we have no other options it's a very good option, regardless of your opinion. Addressed most of this above I believe. However, you still seem to think that roytam can somehow exert mind control over those who choose to use his builds and keep them all from "wandering" into the wrong places for support. I'll wager that a good number of these people who are supposedly causing you problems are trolling, especially given your attitude about the builds and since you seem to be very easily triggered by anyone who mentions XP. Since you don't distribute these builds from your site, and most likely one must visit here in the first place in order to get the links for the builds, I find it strange that any serious user doing as such would not "stop here" first for help. They seem to be purposely seeking you out rather than sincerely needing help; and if this is the case, no one here can do anything about that. What's not "sufficient" here? This forum has been around for a long time and has hosted the support for many projects. I'd rather see a developer dedicated to his or her project rather than dedicated to extraneous "infrastructure." Nothing wrong with having "infrastructure;" mind you, but in the end it is secondary to the project itself. roytam has enough to keep him busy with a $dayjob and building his various browsers, and since he has no help in doing so it's not reasonable to expect him to spend time on a website or otherwise.

For Some time I am working on a universal VESA Graphics driver with hardware acceleration for XP. It is based on Reactos Source code and some other from Winddk2003 I am trying to add Direct Draw support Please some one can help me. here is initial release of the driver . This Is a generic vesa video driver with full blown Frame Buffer . https://mega.nz/#!cygRBArB!IeSwlKru_A9zqPBIjQfRcZqW_L_jUJ3Naw0fHPhSE1k Warning : This driver in alpha so far from perfect I have grabbed minport directly compiled from Reactos . any one can help me to build that with Winddk2003? I have used frame buffer from Winddk2003 source code . I want to remove VGA min port only just want to keep vbe min port any one can help me customizing inf? how can i add device name like Intel HD 630? planned features :- *DirectDraw support *DirectX9 Support(Generic one for common application) *OpenGl Support(Where can i get opengl icd?) *Power Management (APM) *Brightness Control(Very Essential ) *Improvement to frame buffer for more better performance. *A control panel applet to adjust resolution , brightness etc *Vulkan Api Support (Where to start with ?) *15-bpp support *VESA 3.0 Support *USWC Please help me . I believe this project will be very helpful

Special Thanks to Russian Guys of Driver Pack Team ,BlackWingCat, Four Finger,IVAN Intel HD 4200\4400\4600\P4600\ P4700\5000\5100 Iris DRIVER :: 32BIT LINK :: http://drivers.drp.su/Video_Intel-XP/Intel/FORCED/5x86/Haswell_6.14.10.5445/Intel-FORCED-5x86-Haswell_6.14.10.5445-drp.exe 64BIT LINK :: http://drivers.drp.su/Video_Intel-XP/Intel/FORCED/5x64/Haswell_6.14.10.5445/Intel-FORCED-5x64-Haswell_6.14.10.5445-drp.exe 32Bit Leaked :: https://web.archive.org/web/20131108095246/http://downloadmirror.intel.com/22875/a08/WinXP32.zip Intel Skylake Graphics :: Intel LAN Latest :: 32Bit :: http://drivers.drp.su/LAN_Intel/Intel/FORCED/5x86/OLD/Intel-FORCED-5x86-OLD-drp.exe 64Bit:: http://drivers.drp.su/LAN_Intel/Intel/FORCED/5x64/OLD/Intel-FORCED-5x64-OLD-drp.exe Management Engine Interface :: 32bit:: http://drivers.drp.su/Chipset/Intel/WinAll/Chipset/9.4.0.1007_HECI/Intel-WinAll-Chipset-9.4.0.1007_HECI-drp.exe intel(R) Display Audio 32Bit:: http://drivers.drp.su/Sounds_HDMI/Intel/FORCED/Audio/5x86/2807/Intel-FORCED-Audio-5x86-2807-drp.exe Bluetooth Hands-free Audio Device 32bit :: http://drivers.drp.su/Bluetooth/CSR/Allx86/CSR-Allx86-drp.exe Bluetooth Stereo Audio http://drivers.drp.su/Bluetooth/CSR/Allx86/CSR-Allx86-drp.exe More will be added soon Please stay tuned

... YES, we know already! Please stop repeating yourself ad nauseam... As I wrote in my post: What is it exactly you don't understand? I think the saying "A picture is worth a thousand words" should have applied here... If you're not at all familiar with the browser's Developer Tools section, then educate yourself; basically, for the purposes of URL sniffin (detecting background URLs for media and other content), you really only need WebConsole (CTRL+SHIFT+K): https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Web_Console ... and, on occasion, Network Monitor (CTRL+SHIFT+Q): https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Network_Monitor Load https://winfuture.de/UpdatePack in a New Moon 27 tab; in that same tab, open WebConsole, filter for ".mp4" (without the quotes) and then reload the page, followed by clicking the play button in the embedded web player; the link to the video itself should appear (https://videos.winfuture.de/16838.mp4) Right clink the link; you can copy the link (and use whatever download manager/extension already installed to fetch it to disk) OR you can opt to open it in a new New Moon 27 tab; if you have set up the browser correctly (LAV filters provided by roytam1 for SSE-only processors), it should start to auto-play; right-click the video and an option is there to save/download it! (<Personal rant>: I acknowledge most people here offering guidance/help do so on a voluntary basis, out of the goodness of heart, sacrificing valuable personal spare time... I'm no different ; but what really aggravates me is the lack of willingness on the help-receiving parties to do some of the "homework" themselves, learning things along the way; it appears that most people expect to be spoon-fed like a one year old toddler, this attitude never promotes one's own knowledge </Personal rant>)

and then you'll break shell integration.

A quick test indicates that you can rename the .exe file post-build (from, e.g., palemoon.exe to New Moon.exe) and it still works fine. Of course that goes for the folder name in the .7z archive too. I realize that may not be enough.* There are a couple more files in the archive that include "palemoon" in their names; those probably cannot be renamed unless the code is changed. Same goes for the default profile folder names, not to mention the numerous built-in default preferences that include the words Pale Moon. *After the latest blow-up, we have to consider the possibility that nothing you do will ever be enough. If anyone who has ever downloaded your code ever contacts the Pale Moon team for help, it seems you'll immediately be accused of "misrepresenting" your builds as theirs, and nastiness and threats will ensue no matter how many disclaimers you post. But at least this is something that can be done easily post-build; or it could even be added to @i430VX's installer!

Slightly OT, but relevant if you want to add the cryptographic protocol TLS 1.2 for any XP reason such as mentioned above: > On 9/3/2018 at 3:56 PM, cc333 said: > .. all forms of TLS less than 1.2 were taken offline June 30, ... unless ... MS decides to release a patch that fixes the problem (... POSReady 2009 might get one) > On 9/5/2018 at 11:01 AM, Mathwiz said: > They did; actually there are two: ... I found the TLS 1.2 procedure posted in 2 parts on MSFN, plus a related TLS 1.0 security update reply post by Mathwiz. It wasn't non-techie friendly, and was a tediously long study for (non-expert) techie power users. I compiled the source posts and wrote a step-by-step procedure "INSTRUCTIONS TO ADD TLS1.2 TO WINDOWS XP OS & IE8". It combines adding KB4019276 for POSReady 2009, KB4316682 for IE8, and the TLS 1.0 security update for XP registry: Update Windows XP & IE8 to TLS1.2 (Connected Last Skype 7) https://msfn.org/board/topic/178087-update-windows-xp-ie8-to-tls12-connected-last-skype-7/

Dude, I can't leave. Even if it's just to come here for a monthly XP'ers reunion. I'll be hanging on as long as possible. I've made some good backups using macrium reflect that should keep me in business in a worst case scenario event. Other than that, if there were a dang easy way we could incorporate our thread with a monthly dues to get those corporate updates they're still publishing I'd be doing the happy dance.

I am still a fan of Debian for myself😁

You actually expect anyone here to take you seriously while you continue to maintain a condescending attitude toward roytam1 and everyone else in this community? You can't even speak of these things without lacing it with some ignorant derogatory language or FUD. Emphasis mine. I assume once again that users are intended to believe that "poor modification" is an acceptable definition of "restoring the pre-existing functionality that you intentionally chose to break?" Not one of us here cares one iota whether or not roytam1 has some useless eye-candy website or some fancy branding for his browser builds. What we care about is that they work and that he is very responsive to bug reports and quick to address other issues that may arise on the target platform(s). Yourself and "Moonchild Productions" could do with some lessons from what you find here. When the rest of the world leaves your precious Windows 7 and your "outdated" Mozilla forks, along with their "outdated" addons behind, where will you be? In the same boat with the rest of us. If you expect anyone here to take you seriously, you'd better learn to treat people here with respect whether you agree with them or not.

LOL, couldn't help drafting such a disclaimer novel ;-P "For any help, support and discussion of roytam1 browsers, the best place is here: (link to NewMoon topic in msfn) Attention: Do not under any circumstances bother the PaleMoon team, especially Moonchild and Matt A. Tobin, with anything related to this forked browser, to anything XP-related, or mention any of roytam1 browser builds in the Pale Moon forum. They intentionally removed all XP-support for their products a long time ago, and do NOT tolerate any longer to be bothered by people using forked builds, especially not forks with restored XP support. Only discussion of their own original builds is allowed there. They have very STRICTLY declared this multiple times, in their own forum and also in the MSFN forum. So, please, abide by their request and go to MSFN only for support."

So much for the "more constructive approach." I had a feeling this was insincere. roytam1 has no control over the actions of those who decide to use his XP-compatible builds. Even if he were to change names, remove references, yada yada yada. there could still be "ignorant" users (or even troublemakers just trolling) who will keep going to the wrong places for support or to ask questions. How hard is it to say "I don't support those builds" and link them here? Much easier than ranting there, ranting here, and rewriting a bunch of code.

Come to think of it, if OpenGL applications are fully accelerated whilst DirectX ones aren't with 372.70, maybe we can workaround by using WineD3D for DirectX apps. It's sloppy but it's better than nothing :/