D.Draker Posted March 25 Posted March 25 17 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: This is also from my ** ** ** OLDEST HARDWARE ** ** ** I'm no longer surprised why you had terrible stuck-ups with the modern Supermium, whereas other members didn't! GPU with DDR3 is 2003 tech, I had a GPU with DDR3 in 200 or so, over 20 years ago. Your computer OEM simply used very cheap VRAM. At that time, GPU already had GDDR5. 2
hidao Posted March 25 Posted March 25 3 hours ago, D.Draker said: I'm no longer surprised why you had terrible stuck-ups with the modern Supermium, whereas other members didn't! GPU with DDR3 is 2003 tech, I had a GPU with DDR3 in 200 or so, over 20 years ago. Your computer OEM simply used very cheap VRAM. At that time, GPU already had GDDR5. Look at my laptop:
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 25 Posted March 25 (edited) 6 hours ago, D.Draker said: Dell 2407 This gets OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD. I have no idea what a Dell 2407 is and what the "F-ing" obsession is with "you and your followers" always using this "phrase". At any rate, I DO NOT CARE, I am not a "gamer" and do not need brand new computers ever six months just to watch blood splattering in 4K super-hi-def !!! !!! !!! I do not need a new mobile phone every six months. I do not need a new LED/Plasma/OLED/Whatever monitor every six months. I do not need a new house every six months. etc etc etc Supermium is still being targeted for folks like me, for hardware that isn't brand new every six months, or even every 10 years. Until Supermium developer sends out a "F U all of you XP/Vista/7/10 users, we no longer support anything below Win11 and we no longer support anything older than SIX MONTHS", then, well, "curse you" and your "crew" that wants to belittle my 12yr old computer. "Curse You" "Curse You" "Curse You"... GETTING OLD! ENOUGH WITH THE D#MN RIB-JABS!!! GOT IT? Edited March 25 by NotHereToPlayGames 2
D.Draker Posted March 25 Posted March 25 (edited) 19 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: This gets OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD. I have no idea what a Dell 2407 is and what the "F-ing" obsession is with "you and your followers" always using this "phrase". At any rate, I DO NOT CARE, I am not a "gamer" and do not need brand new computers ever six months just to watch blood splattering in 4K super-hi-def !!! !!! !!! I do not need a new mobile phone every six months. I do not need a new LED/Plasma/OLED/Whatever monitor every six months. I do not need a new house every six months. etc etc etc Supermium is still being targeted for folks like me, for hardware that isn't brand new every six months, or even every 10 years. Until Supermium developer sends out a "F U all of you XP/Vista/7/10 users, we no longer support anything below Win11 and we no longer support anything older than SIX MONTHS", then, well, "curse you" and your "crew" that wants to belittle my 12yr old computer. "Curse You" "Curse You" "Curse You"... GETTING OLD! ENOUGH WITH THE D#MN RIB-JABS!!! GOT IT? Recently, there was an almost unique case - you asked a legit, on topic question about streaming on Supermium, I answered why it's not possible, and even if Supermium buys a 10K digital key, your hardware will never get through, I also explained why - very politely, if you're insulted with the fact of having such a hardware, it's not my problem. And I honestly can't comprehend why it gets you so deep. I run a 10 years old Videocard with the initial price of 1200Euro, I feel no shame in it. I don't upgrade because newer don't have Vista drivers. What are your reasons to stay on such oldies, we don't know - Win10 has all the drivers. BTW, be careful with curses, you never know whom you wished them to. I'm a Black magic practitioner, I do séances, read books on the occult, etc. Edited March 25 by D.Draker rough night consequential typo 1
D.Draker Posted March 25 Posted March 25 20 hours ago, hidao said: Look at my laptop: Your VRAM is faster than the one @NotHereToPlayGames has, so thanks for the confirmation. Your VRAM is faster by 5.3GB/s, also its size is 30 percent bigger. Your GPU clock is faster by 35 percent. No wonder Supermium runs OK. 3
D.Draker Posted March 27 Posted March 27 I'm starting to think Supermium might be an old (122? or even earlier) version masquerading itself as 132. Why would the Twitch site need the experimental flags ON? Whereas other browsers of the allegedly same version, don't? But if one turns them on, the @Dave-H's British Gas trouble returns. "2 days ago Make sure to go to about://flags and enable "Experimental WebAssembly". You may also want to enable "Experimental JavaScript". Then twitch should be working fine. This was an issue a few months ago and I/we found the same solution." Proof: https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/1279
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 27 Posted March 27 44 minutes ago, D.Draker said: I'm starting to think Supermium might be an old (122? or even earlier) version masquerading itself as 132. Why would the Twitch site need the experimental flags ON? Whereas other browsers of the allegedly same version, don't? Very very interesting! Call me intrigued! This would actually be VERY EASY BUT TIME-CONSUMING to prove. Again, VERY EASY! But who among us is going to spend the TIME to PROVE this one way or the other? I do think we should PROVE IT or ask the developer directly before spreading possible misinformation. The web site CANIUSE.COM (Can I use dot com) kind of does HALF the work for us, but it only narrows down what we would have to test within Supermium. https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+123,chrome+124,chrome+125,chrome+126,chrome+127,chrome+128,chrome+129,chrome+130,chrome+131,chrome+132,chrome+133,chrome+134,chrome+135,chrome+136,chrome+137&compareCats=all Basically all boils down to CSS. Note that this and this both specifically state (for v122, for example) that the #enable-experimental-web-platform-features is REQUIRED. 1
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 27 Posted March 27 16 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: masquerading itself as 132 On second thought, the mere way that GitHub commits "ahead / behind" 'works' kind of disproves this? I think?
Dave-H Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Why on earth would the Supermium developer release a version of the browser purporting to be based on Chromium 132, but actually based on an earlier version? That would make no sense at all if it can easily be checked, and he must be well aware that it can be. Surely it's much more likely that the core is indeed Chromium 132 but one or more of the tweaks which have been made to it, especially for compatibility with earlier operating systems, have resulted in the mutually exclusive issues with Twitch and the British Gas site, which now cannot both work properly at the same time. 2
D.Draker Posted March 27 Posted March 27 11 hours ago, Dave-H said: Why on earth would the Supermium developer release a version of the browser purporting to be based on Chromium 132, but actually based on an earlier version? The probable inability to make it work under old OS? I dunno, it's just my opinion. Do what yo want with it, but like I said before, and I reiterate, my face will only accept rotten tomatoes of British origin, and organic. Another "coincidence" is - 122 was the last version to work with the Extended Kernel, and we all know what powrprg is, right? It's the kernel to allow it to work under old OS. How about that? 1
D.Draker Posted March 27 Posted March 27 11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Very very interesting! Call me intrigued! Note that this and this both specifically state (for v122, for example) that the #enable-experimental-web-platform-features is REQUIRED. Thanks! Another "coincidence". Now, will you both tell me, why the developer changed the default flags? Isn't it to extended the doomsday of the old engine? @VistaLover always suggested those flags to make old browser live longer by turning those experimental, not yet implemented features on.
D.Draker Posted March 27 Posted March 27 11 hours ago, D.Draker said: Another "coincidence" is - 122 was the last version to work with the Extended Kernel Thorium got stuck at 122! Also a "coincidence". At the same time, they have Thorium 130 for Win10, so, why there's a problem to make it work under Vista? At the same time, a Chinese student releases already releases v.136, trouble free, working fine, tested by @D.Draker on lots of modern sites. Win32ss and Alexei (Thorium) simply can't keep up, let's face the reality with honesty. 2
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 27 Posted March 27 19 minutes ago, D.Draker said: why the developer changed the default flags? He "undid" that change. But only after the userbase basically said, "Hey! Don't do that! I did not sign up for 'experimental' features!"
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 27 Posted March 27 16 minutes ago, D.Draker said: simply can't keep up Should we realistically expect them to? I myself really really REALLY hate hate HATE that somehow we-the-consumer has all but come to EXPECT our browsers to be updated WEEKLY if not NIGHTLY. Armageddon would befall MSFN if Roytam1 stopped updating WEEKLY. 1
Dave-H Posted March 27 Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: He "undid" that change. But only after the userbase basically said, "Hey! Don't do that! I did not sign up for 'experimental' features!" It was a silly thing to do in the first place. AFAIK it was because a few users reported that they were having problems with Twitch. These problems went away if the experimental features were enabled. What the developer should probably have done is simply to tell them to switch them on. What he actually did was change the default settings so they were on by default. This was fine until people found problems with other sites, like the British Gas one. Fortunately this has been corrected, but presumably the problems with Twitch are still there with the default settings now, and that does need to be addressed.
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