Supermium

[D.Draker]

20 hours ago, UCyborg said:

UXP apps adapt to the underlying theme, flat or not. Chrome's flatness is hardcoded.

I use post Windows 8.1 CentBrowser, long after this old OS was abandoned, and while Supermium is indeed totally modern and flat, just like you wrote, how did they manage to keep all the curviness in CentBrowser?
It looks just like the old chrome we all knew. And no matter how many times I read about the plans of getting the old theme to Supermium, its each new version becomes more and more flatter.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

59 minutes ago, D.Draker said:

hence washed out.

That's not what I was referring to.  The fonts in that screencap are rendered in what is called subpixel RENDERING (aka, anti-aliased fonts, a font rendering style which my system prevents in their entirety).  It is a "rendering" issue.  

Yes, dark mode alleviates the nuances of subpixel rendering, but so does just preventing the font style altogether.    Disregard - while it still may be a subpixel font (I did not dive deeper), the letter-spacing .css declaration supercedes as a UGLY FONT ISSUE.

It's really not as "simple" as being your-usual-suspect "washed out".

Take a close look at the body .css declaration!  It's that letter-spacing: 0.5px; that has the fonts in that screencap looking so UGLY.

Blocking the remote/third-party/fonts.googleapis.com fonts may have you, me, and the poster of the screencap using DIFFERENT FONTS (I block all remote/third-party fonts), but it is that letter-spacing that is making everything so THIN and UGLY.

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames

[D.Draker]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

It's really not as "simple" as being your-usual-suspect "washed out".

Go to your monitor and start adding the brightness slowly, see how the fonts become thinner and more washed out, so you would need to complicate with your contrast,

But in most modern cards - you can't, because the plonkers already set it beyond the reasonable limit in the card BIOS.

I had analysed many BIOSes, and in nVidia the RGB values can easily be at 157%, instead of the standard 50.

It's called brightness wars, for the people to get a false feeling of the beefy and juicy card they bought.

[D.Draker]

11 hours ago, D.Draker said:

I had analysed many BIOSes, and in nVidia the RGB values can easily be at 157%, instead of the standard 50.

I can only guess the same's happening with Supermium, that would be a perfect explanation why Brave is on the normal level of brightness, and Supermium isn't.

One of the reasons I'm not getting back to it. sadly/

[UCyborg]

2 hours ago, D.Draker said:

how did they manage to keep all the curviness in CentBrowser?

Probably a design decision they decided to implement in practice. I wanted to imply Chromium browsers custom render their GUI elements rather than inherit directly from the OS they run on, but these elements can still be be whatever they make them, flat or not, curvy or not.

[D.Draker]

11 hours ago, UCyborg said:

Probably a design decision they decided to implement in practice. I wanted to imply Chromium browsers custom render their GUI elements rather than inherit directly from the OS they run on, but these elements can still be be whatever they make them, flat or not, curvy or not.

Do you know where to edit the RGB values in Chrome?

https://msfn.org/board/topic/185045-supermium/page/95/#findComment-1276047

[j7n]

Web browsers have always done their GUI using their own web toolkit. Look at the About box of Internet Explorer and how the OK button looks when pressed. The Internet Options dialog is a separate application and looks normal. The New Moon preferences window is a good match but slightly off. The drop-down listboxes have each entry taller, and the arrow button doesn't visibly depress. Then Basilisk/Serpent replaced the settings window by a flat webpage.

Black type becoming thinner with an adjustment in the monitor is likely because you are clipping some highlights off. Adjustments with the monitor's buttons always bring it further from the ideal that the computer assumes. So parts that were light grey on the edges now become fully white. The anti-aliasing has a gamma problem. When done in gamma-encoded space, the intermediate levels where the font shape covers half of the pixel will have a value of 50%, but it will map to about 21% of linear brigthness. White type will become thicker in that situation. The Windows ClearType tuner presents you with a few example boxes to compensate for this.

 

[D.Draker]

11 hours ago, j7n said:

it will map to about 21% of linear brigthness.

Thanks for the explanations!

I have a PRO grade monitor with 97% NTSC colour coverage, despite being old, it doesn't cut corners on the accuracy, I replaced all caps to Epcos (ex-Siemens).

It's now flawless, I have zero brightens troubles with Brave, CatsXP, Cent is a bit brighter, but it's tolerable. Basilisk/Serpent/New Moon, never heard of them.

Supermium is way OFF, like you said, about 21 percent.

Probably, the reason many don't notice is their BAD/cheap/old/out-of-specs LCD and/or poor eyesight due to the old age.

I don't need that 21% added brightness.

[hidao]

20 hours ago, UCyborg said:

UXP apps adapt to the underlying theme, flat or not. Chrome's flatness is hardcoded.

These fonts kill my eyes, man...

it looks like that i don't have the fonts of the website use...

[hidao]

11 hours ago, D.Draker said:

Yeah, for you, yes, But I don't understand Chinese (or Korean?). I can't even distinguish those two.

Besides, I heavily damaged one of my eyes, and only one can see somewhat well.

Probably, will have to resort to the operation.

Chinese...

you can install some other fonts,maybe it could help you

Edited December 24, 2024 by hidao

[NotHereToPlayGames]

10 hours ago, D.Draker said:

Go to your monitor and start adding the brightness slowly, see how the fonts become thinner and more washed out, so you would need to complicate with your contrast,

But in most modern cards - you can't, because the plonkers already set it beyond the reasonable limit in the card BIOS.

I had analysed many BIOSes, and in nVidia the RGB values can easily be at 157%, instead of the standard 50.

It's called brightness wars, for the people to get a false feeling of the beefy and juicy card they bought.

Tried that.  Does not explain the UGLY-A$$ fonts in that screencap!

Look at the "share" icon to the left of the text.  The "square" reveals that you are blocking remote fonts (as I also block them).  Note that the UGLY-A$$ fonts screencap does have the share icon.

BUT...  More importantly!  Look at the "fatness" of the H110MHV3 font.

You and I both get a FAT font.  That UGLY-A$$ font in the screencap is skinny and squished and jaggedy-edged.  The type of font where a / is so jagged that it looks like a STAIRCASE instead of a /.

I have not been able to replicate the screencap's UGLY-A$$ font.  Not with remote fonts, not without.  Not in three different browsers spanning both Win10 and XP.

The H110MHV3 is always FAT for me.

 

[UCyborg]

1 hour ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Does not explain the UGLY-A$$ fonts in that screencap!

Even messing with ClearType? I remember turning it off in Windows would mess up most fonts.

[j7n]

I'm so used to websites not working properly in old browsers that I not even see the tiny differences in fonts. I would go to this website to fetch a driver or check if a CPU was supported and never return to it again.

With ClearType disabled, most new fonts look very thin because their weight and hinting have been adjusted for subpixel rendering in mind. But I look at the desktop and normal websites more often, which take priority.

[D.Draker]

On 12/23/2024 at 6:54 PM, D.Draker said:

Go to your monitor and start adding the brightness slowly, see how the fonts become thinner and more washed out, so you would need to complicate with your contrast,

My eyesight is indeed getting worse, I of course meant compensate, sorry fellas.

[D.Draker]

21 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Tried that.  Does not explain the UGLY-A$$ fonts in that screencap!

Look at the "share" icon to the left of the text.  The "square" reveals that you are blocking remote fonts (as I also block them).  Note that the UGLY-A$$ fonts screencap does have the share icon.

BUT...  More importantly!  Look at the "fatness" of the H110MHV3 font.

You and I both get a FAT font.  That UGLY-A$$ font in the screencap is skinny and squished and jaggedy-edged.  The type of font where a / is so jagged that it looks like a STAIRCASE instead of a /.

I have not been able to replicate the screencap's UGLY-A$$ font.  Not with remote fonts, not without.  Not in three different browsers spanning both Win10 and XP.

The H110MHV3 is always FAT for me.

 

Yes, it does. Here's the explanations. AA increases linear brightness by 21%. Thick fonts don't need that amount of AA, hence less bright and stay darker.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/185045-supermium/page/95/#findComment-1276059