Antimalware, firewall, and other security programs for Windows XP working in 2023 and hopefully beyond

[AstroSkipper]

Subject: Kaspersky

In Germany, the "Bundesamt für Sicherheit und Information (BSI)", in English the "Federal Office for Information Security (BSI)", had already warned against the use of anti-virus software from the Russian manufacturer Kaspersky on 15 March 2022: https://www.bsi.bund.de/DE/Themen/Unternehmen-und-Organisationen/Cyber-Sicherheitslage/Technische-Sicherheitshinweise-und-Warnungen/Warnungen-nach-Par-7/Archiv/FAQ-Kaspersky/faq_node.html (German website, use an online translator!). I already reported the warning from BSI months ago in the old antivirus thread. In the meanwhile, I have changed my mind and now share the official concerns about Kaspersky. Thus, I have removed Kaspersky Antivirus from my internal list and will not write an article about this programme anymore. In these times, one cannot seriously entrust the security of one's computer to such a programme due to its origin.   A more in-depth consideration at this point cannot be carried out due to our forum rules. 

Kind regards, AstroSkipper 

Edited June 26, 2023 by AstroSkipper

[jaclaz]

10 minutes ago, AstroSkipper said:

In the meanwhile, I have changed my mind and now share the official concerns about Kaspersky.

Sure, you are perfectly free to change your mind, but I don't think anyone is interested in knowing that you changed your mind, whilst maybe someone may be interested in the reasons why.

The German warning is some 15 months ago, roughly at the same time the US FCC issues a similar one:

https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist

(the US banned Kaspersky use in government computers much earlier, 2017 if I recall correctly).

So, unless you overlooked those signals, what made you change your mind now?

jaclaz

[AstroSkipper]

29 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

Sure, you are perfectly free to change your mind

Of course! And you see I did.

29 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

I don't think anyone is interested in knowing that you changed your mind, whilst maybe someone may be interested in the reasons why.

Don't speak for others, speak for yourself! What others are interested in or not you can't really know. Such statements are speculative and meaningless.

29 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

So, unless you overlooked those signals

I did not overlook the different warnings at all. I already reported the warning from BSI months ago in the old antivirus thread.

29 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

what made you change your mind now?

As I already wrote in my previous post, a more in-depth consideration at this point cannot be carried out due to our forum rules. Maybe, you overlooked it. 

AstroSkipper

Edited June 24, 2023 by AstroSkipper

[NotHereToPlayGames]

3 minutes ago, AstroSkipper said:

Of course! And you see I did.

I applaud the open mind.  If I recall correctly, WiseVector X (I forget the actual name) was high on the list at one point in time and it didn't work so well on my setup.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

36 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

(the US banned Kaspersky use in government computers much earlier, 2017 if I recall correctly).

Kind of makes my wonder why a government computer would require any anti-virus at all.

I would think a government network had "government" software/hardware as opposed to "commercial" software/hardware.

[AstroSkipper]

16 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

I applaud the open mind.  If I recall correctly, WiseVector X (I forget the actual name) was high on the list at one point in time and it didn't work so well on my setup.

The actual name was WiseVector StopX and was abandoned in January of 2023. Have a look here:

 

[jaclaz]

1 hour ago, AstroSkipper said:

Don't speak for others, speak for yourself! What others are interested in or not you can't really know. Such statements are speculative and meaningless.

No intention to speak for others, I was clearly expressing my personal opinion (I don't think ...).

Anyway, I cannot understand which of our Forum Rules may prevent you from explaining what made you change your mind (if you actually want to share it, of course), warez?, political or religious debate?, racism, pornography, threats, profanity, or excessive vulgarity?, flaming other members?

No problem however, I can cope with this question remaining unanswered.

jaclaz

[AstroSkipper]

18 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

No intention to speak for others, I was clearly expressing my personal opinion (I don't think ...).

Anyway, I cannot understand which of our Forum Rules may prevent you from explaining what made you change your mind (if you actually want to share it, of course), warez?, political or religious debate?, racism, pornography, threats, profanity, or excessive vulgarity?, flaming other members?

No problem however, I can cope with this question remaining unanswered.

jaclaz

Simply put, the world-wide situation which is changing from minute to minute. As you surely know, we are not allowed to talk here about war and politics. Therefore, no deeper explanations from me on my decision, they are actually obvious and need no further motivation at this point, either. 

[D.Draker]

3 hours ago, jaclaz said:

warez?, political or religious debate?, racism, pornography, threats, profanity, or excessive vulgarity?, flaming other members?

jaclaz, is this a provocation? Please tell me. Even these words alone surely look like somewhat hidden accusations. You of all, with your deep knowledge of English, should have known. no?

[jaclaz]

No it is not a provocation, nor an accusation, nor anything else, I simply listed the main things forbidden by MSFN Rules, and couldn't see which one of them has even a feeble connection to the possible reason why Astroskipper changed his mind.

The political/religious debate (Rule #2.b) is prohibited, but there is an exception carved out explicitly for technology topics, and a simple statement, like the one Astroskipper just posted, is anyway more than enough, there is nothing to debate about it.

What perplexed me in the original announcement was the apparent non sequitur, as I read it, essentially:

"The national authority of my country issued a warning in March 2022, I didn't believe it for some 15 months, today I changed my mind."

So I asked if there was some relevant news that triggered this re-evaluation.

jaclaz

[AstroSkipper]

On 6/24/2023 at 4:42 PM, jaclaz said:

"The national authority of my country issued a warning in March 2022, I didn't believe it for some 15 months, today I changed my mind."

You seem to like putting words in other people's mouths. Unfortunately, you can only fail with that, unless one is a comedian or a clairvoyant.  Fifteen months ago, I couldn't care less what was going on with Kaspersky. I didn't and don't use this programme anyway.  A few months ago, I wrote about the warning from BSI in the old antivirus thread. And now, I have come to the decision already posted.  I'm actually listing all the available security programmes for Windows XP here in this thread, but Kaspersky will definitely not be on my list anymore. No more and no less. 

Edited June 26, 2023 by AstroSkipper

[jaclaz]

No,  I am not putting words in anyone's mouth.

I asked (I believe politely/amicably) for a reason for this change of mind as it seemed unrelated to a cited event that happened more than one year ago.

Then, since someone started nitpicking, accusing me of (non existing) provocations/accusations,  I tried (vainly) to explain how that was how I understood (or misunderstood) your post.

Now you accuse me of putting words in other people's mouths.

Rest assured it is not the case.

Still, I am both a comedian and and a clairvoyant, so if I actually wanted to put words in someone else's mouth, I would have been allowed to do that and also aspire to some success with it.

Anyway, I see that in this new MSFN it is not possible anymore to have a normal, plain, conversation, so I'll declare this thread an SEP and move somewhere else.

jaclaz

 

[AstroSkipper]

29 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

No,  I am not putting words in anyone's mouth.

Unfortunately, you did. 

2 hours ago, jaclaz said:

"The national authority of my country issued a warning in March 2022, I didn't believe it for some 15 months, today I changed my mind."

This sentence is written in inverted commas and in the first person. Thus, you speak in my place.

29 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

Still, I am both a comedian and and a clairvoyant

I said: 

1 hour ago, AstroSkipper said:

unless one is a comedian or a clairvoyant.

"one" is an impersonal pronoun and therefore does not refer to you personally.

AstroSkipper

Edited June 24, 2023 by AstroSkipper

[legacyfan]

39 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

No,  I am not putting words in anyone's mouth.

I asked (I believe politely/amicably) for a reason for this change of mind as it seemed unrelated to a cited event that happened more than one year ago.

Then, since someone started nitpicking, accusing me of (non existing) provocations/accusations,  I tried (vainly) to explain how that was how I understood (or misunderstood) your post.

Now you accuse me of putting words in other people's mouths.

Rest assured it is not the case.

Still, I am both a comedian and and a clairvoyant, so if I actually wanted to put words in someone else's mouth, I would have been allowed to do that and also aspire to some success with it.

Anyway, I see that in this new MSFN it is not possible anymore to have a normal, plain, conversation, so I'll declare this thread an SEP and move somewhere else.

jaclaz

 

I commend you on your bravery jaclaz ive never seen anyone like you on any other forum and I appreciate that

[Vistapocalypse]

2 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

...I'm actually listing all the available security programmes for Windows XP here in this thread, but Kaspersky will definitely not be on my list anymore.

“All”? “Anymore”? It would’ve been astounding to me if Kaspersky had ever been listed on page 1, post 2 of this thread (last edited June 12), but of course it never was and obviously never will be. You have only mentioned Kaspersky on page 15 to mention that it will never be mentioned!? MSFN is open to members from all nations (and yes there have been some Russian members). Of course you have a petty military alliance of your own with D.Draker/Cocodile, who has been trying to suppress any discussion of Kaspersky for a long time (offending me in the process even though I’m an American who never used Kaspersky). Your clique appears to be winning the MSFN War, so congratulations on your achievement!