StartAllBack for Windows 11

[Tihiy]

2 minutes ago, Mikaelo said:

have set LEFT Taskbar Alignment in system setting, but widget is near Systray - RIGHT on taskbar

Yes, that's right. Set center, duh.

[-RKI-]

20 hours ago, JakubDriver said:

Windows 11 23H2 22631.4249 after starting the system, a black background appears in the TrafficMonitor bar. You have to close the applications and restart.

I also use TrafficMonitor and I also have the same problem. The background is black and even after enabling transparency in TrafficMonitor the background still remains underneath it.

[Mikaelo]

1 hour ago, Tihiy said:

Yes, that's right. Set center, duh.

Works Thanks ! 

[bughit]

Additional toolbars are not shown on secondary taskbars.

• win11 23h2
• SAB 3.8.11
• show taskbar on all displays
• quick launch toolbar has been added to the taskbar
• it's only on the primary taskbar

 

[Tihiy]

Why would they ever be there?

[bughit]

2 hours ago, Tihiy said:

Why would they ever be there?

The secondary taskbar can be configured as a clone of the primary:
 

In this clone mode, it has the same apps and the same tray icons. Clone mode is desirable if you need to be able to use either taskbar interchangeably, when you have something running full-screen on the primary display and the primary taskbar is hidden. This use-case requires that the taskbars be identical. You don't want to have to fall back to an inferior partial clone with missing toolbars. So having the same toolbars should at least be an option.

Also, the context menu of the secondary taskbar shows the missing toolbar checked.

 

[Tihiy]

14 hours ago, bughit said:

Clone mode is desirable if you need to be able to use either taskbar interchangeably, when you have something running full-screen on the primary display and the primary taskbar is hidden.

Well, that makes sense. Why do you need toolbars? Would it help if main taskbar moved to secondary screen?

[bughit]

4 hours ago, Tihiy said:

Well, that makes sense. Why do you need toolbars? Would it help if main taskbar moved to secondary screen?

I prefer the old "quick launch" toolbar for launching and don't use pinned apps, leaving the main taskbar area exclusively for running apps. That's how things used to work (xp) and it makes more sense to me than conflating launch icons with running app tiles.

Since toolbar functionality is still there, there could be other reasons. The general point is, if one is using toolbars on the primary taskbar, they're going to want them on the secondary, if using it as a primary substitute, when something is running full-screen on the primary.

As for moving, I suppose this use-case could be served by the primary taskbar optionally moving to the secondary screen whenever something goes full-screen on the primary. Still I would say a full clone is also worth having, if feasible. Its already almost there, the only thing missing are toolbars.

[Tihiy]

Well, for those preferring XP way 3.8.10 added option to disable any task grouping. Toolbars were not improved ever since 1998 and won't like secondary taskbars.

[bughit]

1 hour ago, Tihiy said:

Well, for those preferring XP way 3.8.10 added option to disable any task grouping. Toolbars were not improved ever since 1998 and won't like secondary taskbars.

I take it you're saying it's difficult/impossible to get toolbars to show on the secondary?

If so, would you consider attempting your alternative proposal, of moving the taskbar to a secondary screen when primary is in full-screen mode?

[Tihiy]

2 hours ago, bughit said:

you're saying it's difficult/impossible to get toolbars to show on the secondary

I would say they have no place on primary one.

2 hours ago, bughit said:

moving the taskbar to a secondary screen when primary is in full-screen mode

I'm considering macOS approach where you have just one dock and can move it easier to different screens. 

[Mikaelo]

35 minutes ago, Tihiy said:

I'm considering macOS approach where you have just one dock and can move it easier to different screens. 

I like this idea more and more ... 

[bughit]

2 hours ago, Tihiy said:

I would say they have no place on primary one.

Are you saying they shouldn't exist at all? They certainly do have a place, because that's been a feature of the classic taskbar, through win10. A quick launch toolbar, for example, is quite useful and it also has a useful overflow menu, which can have shortcuts to programs and folders and these can be organized into sub-folders which turn into sub-menus. Since the goal is to restore the classic taskbar, removing the toolbar feature does not make sense, that would not be a restoration. What does make sense is that a clone (if clone mode is configured) of the primary taskbar on the secondary screen should have the same functionality.

 

2 hours ago, Tihiy said:

I'm considering macOS approach where you have just one dock and can move it easier to different screens. 

Is my understanding of the specifics of what you proposed correct? That there would be an option for the primary taskbar to automatically move to the secondary screen, when an app (e.g. a vm) goes full-screen on the primary. 

[Tihiy]

57 minutes ago, bughit said:

A quick launch toolbar, for example, is quite useful and it also has a useful overflow menu

Toolbars were discouraged since 2009 and I would only discourage them further. A better way to pin folders to taskbar is needed.

59 minutes ago, bughit said:

That there would be an option for the primary taskbar to automatically move to the secondary screen, when an app (e.g. a vm) goes full-screen on the primary. 

Options are not is generally useful. Sane defaults would be better. Cloned taskbar is what Windows 8 went with and going macOS way would present challenges. I see the usability benefits of ignoring full-screened monitor; however, I don't generally use multi-monitor as most users.

[ender`]

I've been using multiple QuickLaunch toolbars practically since they were introduced with the IE4 desktop update – they are my main way of launching programs, specifically those that I use regularly, but not all the time (the programs that I use all the time have been pinned since that's been introduced in Windows 7). OTOH, I never missed the ability to have toolbars on secondary displays.