Vistapocalypse Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 14 hours ago, burd said: Nothing older than KB4040973 (September 2017)!? There are two possibilities: (1) That particular update (perhaps in combination with the others installed on 1/14) superseded ALL earlier updates for .NET 4.6, including all that were released while Vista was still under extended support. Or else: (2) Windows Update cannot be relied on to update .NET 4.6 on Vista even with the MDL hack. Attempting to investigate (1) quickly produced a headache. There is no KB4040973 in the catalog, however KB4041086 is apparently the same update, however Package Details say it was later replaced (which might be why it isn’t in greenhillmaniac’s post-EOL repository), however it did indeed replace some earlier updates, however the replaced KB numbers don’t match VistaLover’s screenshot above and they skipped June 2017? I’m giving up on this myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) @burd : Many thanks for that second screengrab of yours The list transcribed from the image is: KB4040973 KB4041778 KB4578963 KB4597239 KB4600945 KB5001848 However, and this is something I had completely forgotten about , these KB numbers ARE NOT DIRECTLY indexed (and thus findable) inside MUC, because they constitute parts of larger bundles/RollUps... For instance, it would appear that the last ever Security Only Update for 4.6 on Vista before its EOL (in April 2017) was KB4014558; searching for that in MUC doesn't return any result; but that update was/is part of KB4014988 (released on Apr 10th 2017): April, 2017 Security Only Update for .NET Framework 2.0, 3.0, 4.5.2, 4.6 on Windows Vista SP2 and Server 2008 SP2 (KB4014988) inside of which is found as file "ndp46-kb4014558-x86_dc321d638ffa0c672a555b9e8e37e52994c71253.exe" ... So, while that list of 6 installed updates is, no doubt, something to go by, it won't be that easy/quick to locate (inside MUC) the bundles they belong to... 4 hours ago, Vistapocalypse said: Attempting to investigate (1) quickly produced a headache. There is no KB4040973 in the catalog, however KB4041086 is apparently the same update Yes, KB4040973 was part of 2017-09 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 2.0, 3.0, 4.5.2, 4.6 on Windows Server 2008 SP2 update i.e. KB4041086; even M$ themselves confused WS2008SP2 with WS2008R2SP1, as the following depicts: 4 hours ago, Vistapocalypse said: Nothing older than KB4040973 (September 2017)!? ... I have "access" to a friend's Win7 SP1 64-bit older laptop, that she hardly uses any more; I had her purposefully freeze the .NET FW installed there on version 4.6.1, which was/is supported by WU on that OS of hers; I instructed her to do pretty much the same thing I kindly asked @burd, below is the produced screengrab: Despite the similarities with Vista, this is actually on Win7 SP1 x64, where 4.6.1 was never updated further (WU is currently offering 4.8 for installation) and which has a working WU, minus, of course, ESU for Win7 SP1... So, it appears, at least on that specific machine, that 4.6.1 was never offered through WU any more updates (outside of ESU that is) past KB4040973 (Security and Quality Rollup) in Sep 2017... When I find some extra time in the coming weekend, I might try to track down MUC links for the rest 5 updates in @burd 's list... Edited May 25, 2021 by VistaLover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winvispixp Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I have an iso of win 2008 sp2 I can test to see what updates I can get for net framework 4.6.1 if someone wants I think you can still get it for free directly from M$ (at least that's how I got mine) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, winvispixp said: I have an iso of win 2008 sp2 I can test to see what updates I can get for net framework 4.6.1, if someone wants .NET Framework 4.6.1 will install out-of-the-box in WS2008SP2, but, as is the case with Vista SP2, won't be offered any updates via MU; please install .NET Framework 4.6 and let that get updated via MU until WS2008SP2's EoS (Jan 2020); the list of obtained updates can then be used to manually update a 4.6.1 installation... 27 minutes ago, winvispixp said: if someone wants I'll be in your debt, if you do... 27 minutes ago, winvispixp said: I think you can still get it for free directly from M$ (at least that's how I got mine) Can you share some more details (without, hopefully, breaking Forum rules...) ? Edited May 27, 2021 by VistaLover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistapocalypse Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, VistaLover said: ...the list of obtained updates can then be used to manually update a 4.6.1 installation... ...or a 4.6.2 installation. (See WinClient5270’s May 16, 2019 post, which also established that 4.6.2 is less likely than 4.8 to cause missing dependency errors on Vista.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winvispixp Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 4 hours ago, VistaLover said: Can you share some more details (without, hopefully, breaking Forum rules...) ? I can't find any link to download an iso from ms (maybe they took it down after the eos) But you still have this https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=23163 I don't know how it works, I never tried it but it's a pre installed vm (as far as I understand).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 39 minutes ago, winvispixp said: But you still have this https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=23163 I don't know how it works, I never tried it but it's a pre installed vm (as far as I understand). ... not the same thing at all, in fact a case of "Catch 22" if you ask me... It requires WS2008R2 SP1 (Win7 based Server equivalent) 64-bit as the host machine, on which you must first install Hyper-V (successor to Virtual PC); then you must install and configure the linked VHD (Virtual Hard Disk), which is a 180d trial of WS2008... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewSM36 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 i redid the extended kernel and managed to get more things to open 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewSM36 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 well Elite Dangerous Odyssey opens and then closes. Elite Dangerous Horizons still works just fine on vista. i need odyssey to run on vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacyfan Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 has anyone tested vmware player 13 on extended kernel yet? i really want to use it but i don't know if it can be used yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winvispixp Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 On 5/23/2021 at 10:55 AM, winvispixp said: I have the same problem I can't even install new programs not even realtemp or cpuz will start (they worked before installing the kernel; cpuz gets stuck at 15%) edit: and yes, I had all vista updates till eol and the win server 2008 updates 2nd edit: UAC doesn't show up when trying to install new programs or when launching programs that usually require it Reinstalled the windows, now everything works I tried using the patch the guys on MDL forums made but it kept searching endlessly (let it search for about 19 hours), tried different fixes from youtube but got the same result so I used the updates I used before (I don't know what I did wrong the first time) Also has anyone tried the most recent version of firefox (89.0b9)? 88.0.1 is the current stable build and works fine but the newest one doesn't render text properly if at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umutc4n Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Hello Everyvone Which place i find extended kernel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mina7601 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, umutc4n said: Hello Everyvone Which place i find extended kernel? Here: http://win32.eclipse.cx/download.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastelito Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 I don't know if it has been reported before but the Media Foundation Updater breaks WMP 11, cant play anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistapocalypse Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 On 5/10/2021 at 3:27 AM, burd said: LGS has reached EOL for Vista, 7 and 8.X officially as of 2021.4.3830. Slightly OT, but can you confirm that version worked on Windows 7 as well as on Vista with extended kernel? I’ve seen reports of difficulties involving 7, although it apparently worked on 8.1. Logitech Support continues to point Windows 7 and 8 users toward version 2021.3.5164, but @Jaguarek62 posted April 15 that it did not work on Windows 7? (I assume that the latest 2021.5.9841 released on May 27 only works on Windows 10.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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