VistaLover Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, AstroSkipper said: I am no longer interested in talking to such moderators as Porthos or AdvancedSetup. I have left an appropriate closing comment after all these kind words. ... Like I said: 5 hours ago, VistaLover said: truth be told, I don't think you can achieve much there, except for venting a bit ... "We" have built resilient communities here at MSFN, consisting of people on, so called, "legacy" Windows OSes their vendor no longer supports (or, even tries to sabotage nowadays ), but outside of such communities hostility, FUD, fake facts, etc. is the rule ... That's why I find it useless now in 2023 to "argue" with app authors about extending/continuing their support on older OSes; I did do it in the first years after Vista's EoS (2017); even at that time, most of them (especially on GitHub) were under a firm conviction my Vista laptop had already become part of the botnet... And, as you said, there's no way you could talk them out of such convictions... Alas, we have to help each other now ... Edited March 30, 2023 by VistaLover 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, VistaLover said: ... Like I said: "We" have built resilient communities here at MSFN, consisting of people on, so called, "legacy" Windows OSes their vendor no longer supports (or, even tries to sabotage nowadays ), but outside of such communities hostility, FUD, fake facts, etc. is the rule ... That's why I find it useless now in 2023 to "argue" with app authors about extending/continuing their support on older OSes; I did do it in the first years after Vista's EoS (2017); even at that time, most of them (especially on GitHub) were under a firm conviction my Vista laptop had already become part of the botnet... And, as you said, there's no way you could talk them out of such convictions... I usually consider such discussion as useless, too. But I am really an old customer of Malwarebytes and I don't have to put up with such insolence. In their forum, the moderators only allow answers or questions that conform to their views, including the thread title. You can't edit it and you can't edit your own posts either. A true junk forum. 11 minutes ago, VistaLover said: Alas, we have to help each other now ... You're absolutely right! We have to and we will help each other as usual. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mina7601 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, VistaLover said: Alas, we have to help each other now ... I completely agree. @AstroSkipper I am so sorry for your loss, though. Edited March 30, 2023 by mina7601 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mina7601 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 On another side, in my Vista SP2 VM, definitions have been updated to 1.0.29434. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacyfan Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, VistaLover said: ... Like I said: "We" have built resilient communities here at MSFN, consisting of people on, so called, "legacy" Windows OSes their vendor no longer supports (or, even tries to sabotage nowadays ), but outside of such communities hostility, FUD, fake facts, etc. is the rule ... That's why I find it useless now in 2023 to "argue" with app authors about extending/continuing their support on older OSes; I did do it in the first years after Vista's EoS (2017); even at that time, most of them (especially on GitHub) were under a firm conviction my Vista laptop had already become part of the botnet... And, as you said, there's no way you could talk them out of such convictions... Alas, we have to help each other now ... ive given up older versions of windows as well because of issues like this (and how hard it is to use them now) its been a hard battle but it looks like the battle is over and microsoft has won out now (by domination) Edited March 30, 2023 by legacyfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-H Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, AstroSkipper said: The support for Malwarebytes Premium 3.5.1.2522 has already been dropped for years. No new program updates! As far as I correctly understood and I asked there directly, they want to drop the definition updates (what you call pattern updates) for this version. Look in "my" thread there whatever my thread means in that forum! I think my thread is more their thread! True there haven't been any actual program updates for 3.5.x for many years now, but Malwarebytes support would still help you if you had problems with it. I suspect it's that which will now end, if it hasn't already. That's a different issue to the ending of pattern updates for the program. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, legacyfan said: ive given up older versions of windows as well because of issues like this (and how hard it is to use them now) it been a hard battle bit it looks like microsoft has won out now My Windows XP machine works perfectly. There is nothing to give up. If Malwarebytes stops providing definition updates for their version 3.5.1.2522, I have enough other options which of course are not comparable to those in Windows 7 and up. But my options are sufficient for the foreseeable future. And I will share the knowledge about these options here, of course. Edited March 30, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Dave-H said: True there haven't been any actual program updates for 3.5.x for many years now, but Malwarebytes support would still help you if you had problems with it. I suspect it's that which will now end, if it hasn't already. That's a different issue to the ending of pattern updates for the program. My question on Malwarebytes' forum: Quote To speak plainly now, is there already a date when Malwarebytes Premium 3.5.1.2522 will not receive definition updates anymore? AdvancedSetup's direct reply: Quote As for when 3.51 will end support - I don't have the exact date but it is expected soon. Maybe, this Root Admin is not able to answer a question accordingly and correctly. It is possible he always gives the same reply "support of version 3.5.1 will end soon". Whatever support he is referring to. I can't really assess his skills. Seems to me more of a robot. Edited March 30, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacyfan Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 51 minutes ago, AstroSkipper said: My Windows XP machine works perfectly. There is nothing to give up. If Malwarebytes stops providing definition updates for their version 3.5.1.2522, I have enough other options which of course are not comparable to those in Windows 7 and up. But my options are sufficient for the foreseeable future. And I will share the knowledge about these options here, of course. ya I should of not been so down when I said that (it not good to be sad!) and legacy windows is not dead! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mina7601 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, legacyfan said: ya I should of not been so down when I said that (it not good to be sad!) and legacy windows is not dead! It's alright, i've seen most people saying "legacy windows is dead" a lot of times (not just in MSFN, in other forums too), but at last, nothing happens, because it's people's choice to use whatever OS they want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistapocalypse Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 9 hours ago, AstroSkipper said: Reading all this, it seems that Malwarebytes will indeed stop supporting Windows XP and Vista very soon, unfortunately. Read these sources: https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/295844-legacy-3512522-sudden-red-triangle-your-updates-are-not-current/#comment-1558895 This Malwarebytes “crisis” appears to have been precipitated by ONE user who reported not getting any updates!? The screenshot he posted wasn’t even from a Vista or XP system because “Ransomware protection” (which never supported XP or Vista) was shown as “On” rather than greyed out! (Another possibility: He attempted to activate that feature on Vista with a registry hack, rendering MB 3.5.1 incapable of updating.) Perhaps you should post to tell that user that 3.5.1 is working fine on XP and Vista, and that newer versions are available for Windows 7? Imacri would rather point out errors in the removal of XP/Vista documentation from their forum it seems. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 7 hours ago, Vistapocalypse said: This Malwarebytes “crisis” appears to have been precipitated by ONE user who reported not getting any updates!? The screenshot he posted wasn’t even from a Vista or XP system because “Ransomware protection” (which never supported XP or Vista) was shown as “On” rather than greyed out! (Another possibility: He attempted to activate that feature on Vista with a registry hack, rendering MB 3.5.1 incapable of updating.) Perhaps you should post to tell that user that 3.5.1 is working fine on XP and Vista, and that newer versions are available for Windows 7? Imacri would rather point out errors in the removal of XP/Vista documentation from their forum it seems. You're right! Now that you've pointed it out, I see it too. Ransomware protection is activated, and this is actually not possible natively under Windows XP and Vista. Good watch out! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, mina7601 said: @AstroSkipper I am so sorry for your loss, though. Thanks! But which loss do you mean? There is personally no serious loss. If Malwarebytes really stops rolling out fresh definition updates, the current state will be good enough for a while. Of course, no new definition updates would be a great pity and another setback for all users on Windows XP and Vista. But my license is also valid for the most recent 4.5.25 or upcoming versions, i.e. versions targeting Windows 7 or 10. It's a lifetime license, whatever lifetime means, of course especially according to the recent experiences made. Edited March 31, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 14 hours ago, mina7601 said: On another side, in my Vista SP2 VM, definitions have been updated to 1.0.29434. FYI, the definition updates are usually distributed several times a day. Therefore, the version changes continously. The last time I checked, two hours ago, it was 1.0.29440. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mina7601 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, AstroSkipper said: FYI, the definition updates are usually distributed several times a day. Therefore, the version changes continously. The last time I checked, two hours ago, it was 1.0.29440. Yep, I noticed that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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