NotHereToPlayGames

Where do we draw the line? By Forum Rule 2.e, this thread is technically SPAM. But despite that, "explorer7" could very well be MSFN's next "StartAllBack" gold mine.

Nope. We are allowed to use only MOST-RECENT versions of Edge and Chrome. I use a commandline startup to PREVENT the auto-update and I can sneak under the IT Radar with OLDER versions of Chrome by doing so. I can hide Official Chrome behind "portableapps" loader and can use commandline startup switches. Otherwise, the computer at work would use the SAME PROFILE for both Edge and an "installed" version of Chrome. But they have it set up so that every forced auto-update DELETES ANY AND ALL EXTENSIONS (which is way way way WAY too often!, feel like every two weeks but probably only three to four weeks, WAY TOO D#MN OFTEN!).

Actually, I do like it. I have an equal amount of affection towards Linux as I do my Commodore 64 emulator. They're lovely conversation pieces to throw on the screen and hear ooh's and ahh's when passerby's see the screen.

I get that first-session delay also. In *ALL* browsers. I've trained myself to LEAVE THE BROWSER OPEN with just one empty tab when hitting the "hibernate" button at the end of the day. No fix for a "restart". But since I only do a full "restart" once a YEAR or so, this workaround works for my needs.

Been there, done that. And like the million of people that SAY they will switch to Linux, here I am, on WINDOWS instead. Linux is a nice "idea". But it's never going to dethrone Windows. It's just an adjective thrown around like a dirty sock because the laundry room is too far of a walk.

None really click with me either! I have ZERO interest in updating my browser profile dozens of times per year. My only goal is for ONE PROFILE to last a YEAR OR TWO, three if I'm lucky. I was able to use GreenBrowser for ELEVEN YEARS! Mypal v27 for about two years. New Moon v28 for about two years. 360Chrome (v86) for about two years. Only time will tell if I will get two years out of Ungoogled v122. I still cannot figure out why my bank WORKS in Ungoogled v122, v123, and v124 *ONLY*. Nothing OLDER. Nothing NEWER. Users of Brave cite the same exact login issues with the same exact bank! I tried Ungoogled v131 just this morning and it does not work with my bank. Again, no clue why. I don't use Brave, I only follow the forum for my bank login issues. Again, hoping to get TWO years on this profile. No updates to it other than uBO lists, Stylus styles, and Tampermonkey scripts. No updates to uBO version, no updates to Stylus version, no updates to Tampermonkey version. No updates to Chromium v122 engine.

I don't think it's about the UE changing their minds. But rather silently admitting THEY MADE A MISTAKE. The whole "browser choice" EU thingy BACKFIRED. The EU fined Microsoft for having a 34% market share to Google's 26% and Firefox's 23%. See here. Think about it! Would Google really be at 65% of market share today if the EU DID NOT fine Microsoft over IE ??? And would Firefox be at a tiny 2.7% today if the EU would have allowed Google and Microsoft to spend ALL THEIR TIME "competing with each other" ??? EU had to learn this "Law of Unintended Consequences" for themselves (they drug the rest of the world with them). The US had to learn this lesson the hard way also (when we broke up AT&T). The Chrome Monopoly we have today can be, in essence, tracked down directly to the EU "Browser Choice" thingy. But maybe I'm just off my rocker, lol...

I guess that is our difference. I don't mind LEARNING a new GUI for the sake of PERFORMANCE. I could CARE LESS about "security/safety". That's an exaggeration. Slightly. "Security/safety" is all POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE. HYPE up the WHAZOO. Just be NET SAVVY - something most folks are clueless on what that even means. And only allow .js on "three out of every two hundred" web sites that you visit. Another SLIGHT exaggeration. There is "security/safety" risks just walking down the hallway in your house, just stepping out of your house into the "wilderness", just driving your car, just shopping for groceries. We can all be so paranoid of "security/safety" that we never walk down the hallway, never step out of the house, never drive the car, never shop for groceries. We are all going to draw our own line in the sand. Folks here at MSFN spout PARANOID DELUSIONS left and right. Some for "security/safety". Some for "privacy/telemetry". Some for "performance". ALL THREE HAVE THEIR MERITS.

What tests do you prefer? I know that you don't like Speedometer and like to cite FPS instead. Is there a specific test that you run? There is definite intrinsic value towards testing relative to one's OWN needs/behaviors. I have no use for GAMES and therefor to me, FPS has very little (if any!) to do with RENDERING A WEB PAGE. But sure, let's look at FPS. A search bought up testufo as a test and Ungoogled v122 hits a steady unwavering 64 FPS regardless of window size. I'm sure more modern hardware would hit higher. 64 FPS sounds good to me. I have no reference point. In Official Pale Moon 33.4.1 (pictured), Firefox ESR 115, Firefox ESR 128, IceCat 115.17, the FPS would drop all the way to 28-36 unsteady/wavering/fluctuating for a maximized window and would gradually increase as I resized that window. I'm no gamer, but I doubt they intentionally SHRINK their window viewport just for HIGHER frame rates. I have to "assume" that they want their window viewport as large as it can get.

Not really. Data-led conclusions. Nothing by the gut and nothing from emotions. If you really want to fall down a Rabbit Hole - you think UXP is dying, try WebKit in Linux. You'll throw the computer out the window, lol.

Does not effect me! Why? Because until history proves otherwise, I am perfectly fine with running UG v122 + uBO 1.59.0 MV2 in 2026. Then decide my next move in 2026 [from lessons learned in 2024+] for the setup that should get me to 2029. "Rinse and repeat..."

Of course that happened for Firefox. Very few Firefox users concern themselves with the HUNDREDS of telemetry connections made at every launch. Yourself "probably" excluded (I admit skepticism). Ungoogled Chromium has ZERO telemetry connections to Google. ZERO! So my local no-connections-to-Google profile really is not under the control of Google. Plain and simple. Maybe I'm too optimistic, lol. I very much so intend to PROVE WITH SCREENCAPS the very day that other MSFN members start citing their MV2's were disabled "without their consent" by their web browser doing something they thought it could not do! Not so sound like a dead horse, but if an MSFN Member's Chromium Fork, whatever brand it may be, has that HOSTED APP listed in the clear cache dialog, then, well, "you heard it from me first", lol. I'm not sure what changed in Official Chrome v127 that was recently cited as versions prior are exempt. I just have a "very bad feeling" about the mere PRESENCE of a CWS HOSTED APP.

I personally DOUBT IT (from the perspective of my BROWSER PROFILE)! At least, I have a VERY strong hunch that UNGOOGLED CHROMIUM (at least prior to v127) will *NOT* disable them at the browser-profile level! And even post-v127, I would not be surprised if UNGOOGLED CHROMIUM will still run uBO from GitHub! (Or, more importantly, from my own archive!) I'm referring to my LOCAL WEB BROWSER. I could "care less" if Chrome Web Store "disables" MV2 (nobody is disputing that!), that "alone" has ZERO EFFECT on what my LOCAL WEB BROWSER is running!

Yes. But this is irrelevant! I never ever EVER install extensions by that "button". NEVER! The real issue with MV2 is not the ability to "install" extensions. The real issue is just how your browser will "react" when its "internal coding" SEES that you have an MV2 installed. Seems to me that the extension that MOST folks are concerned with (uBO) is technically "solved" if people that use it DO NOT INSTALL VIA THAT BUTTON but install via a download from GitHub instead! UNLESS the browser has its own "internal coding" that disables any MV2 already installed. Isnt't that (internal coding) afterall what all of the "forkers" are claiming to REMOVE ???

Oh, that one. That one's nothing new. Though it's been a year or so since I have visited it. I'll check the newest version over the weekend. To me, it is the HOSTED APP that is "all-telling".

Yep, still interested. Because 4 out of 7 of my home computers run Win10.

It is speculation until we start to witness MV2's being "disabled" on WHATEVER fork we use, my hunch remains that the HOSTED APP that everything except Official UNGOOGLED Chromium resolves is the ONLY way to 100% hold onto MV2.

Where? I must have missed it somehow.

Good to know! I'm still on v122 and plan to remain as long as possible. Here at work, I'm "forced" to use Official Chrome for the desk PC, I have a "little" more control over lab PCs. So far, I've been able to prevent Official Chrome from auto-updating with this startup commandline switch: --simulate-outdated-no-au="Tue, 31 Dec 2099 23:59:59 GMT"

Not me! But that is also irrelevant. The issus at hand is whether Chrome or Chrome Forks will disable any MV2 extension that you have installed, regardles of from where or how you installed that extension.

So far, I have not been affected here at work. I would witness MV2 disables here at work long before at home due to limitations on what I can do to prevent those MV2 disables here at work compared to home.

Why would it be? And nor should it be! Just sayin'. If "we" were obsessed with "security", then NOBODY on this forum would run ANYTHING except the latest-and-greatest OS, the latest-and-greatest browser, the latest-and-greatest text editor, the latest-and-greatest file manager, et cetera. That is not the world I want to live in. "To each their own", of course. Some times some of these topics are like walking into a church and being thumped over the head with a baseball bat to fork over 10%. Again, "to each their own".

I'd suggest that your world is too small, lol. I run a lot of 3D CAD software and no game or web browser could ever compete with the brutal demands of 3D CAD. There are some CAD programs that I intentionally only run in XP because the software intentionally disables screen rendering modes "not compatible" with XP. Could also explain why our Mechanical Engineers have evolved into sloth-like creatures, because their computers have trained them to slow down in everything they do, lol.

I have. To be perfectly honest, it is so far the ONLY custom button of yours that I would like to have in my own arsenal. So far, I have only seen the clip. I may have missed the actual download of the toggler as I do not visit those threads as often. Unless the post has been "pinged", an UPDATE of current content will not show up as NEW CONTENT in the "unread/activity" links that I use for MSFN.