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Actually one of my earlier posts about RAM; it's PC133 SDRAM is best about Pentium III I apologize have edited post. (not DDR) I will happily to benchmark comparisons with anyone with the preferred benchmark tools to see what we all actually have I think this would tell people what really is best for windows 9x. My stuff will win why? because if it was as big; my ego would reach da moon!

wow! who to quote first. well instead i shall explain a few things. Pentium 4 may have a more complex MMX instruction set but thats for more modern code to talk to cpu microcode and even if w98 got a cpu driver update neither it or 2000 would have anything to take advantage of it also backwards compatibility and there are plenty of pentium 3's 2's and 1's. AMD athlons XP and older are harder to find than intel because special attention was needed and no one cared and overclockers started fires (no slowdown when heat sink fan fails so AMD literally burned to death). No, ISA doesn't slow down system bus it just says the motherboard is so so old and god knows how many people owned it the electricity flowing through its parts will break its weakest point at any time. But hey for the price of THAT vintage why not buy something cheaper that'll last longer, connect with later usb 1 hubs that don't ride the plug and pray bug BUGGY have a whopper memory bank and no stupid PCIE ports on pentium 4 that are useless for that W98 OS. There is a comparison benchmark out there between pentium III and the 1st generation pentium 4. pentium III out did it on a few corners. I own several brand new pentium III 1ghz processors and 866 mhz processors they are cheap. A w98 machine built for w98 to w2000 is better suited for efficient running than a machine for W98 but designed for anything newer than XP. I fit my pentium 3's with SATA II cards, USB 2 hubs, even fortunate to find full 5.1 surround audio cards too. all the PCI goodness and most ISA cards cost the earth as collectibles so i recommend ditching the idea of ISA for more PCI expansion. Some pentium III motherboards are now collectible one is my favourite it can run both non ecc and ecc memory. when non ecc ram runs out i can grab server ram. Oh another thing about a pentium 3 with PC133 ram, my preferred pentium III board, low density ram is the fastest. They look like one side has chips the other side doesn't. I own coppermine codename cpu's but theres tullatin and they go faster than coppermine so theres an even better pentium 3 than the 1st pentium 4. get a dual cpu board run windows 2000 to the moon! or even xp but this is just for W98 only right? please don't mod a coppermine BIOS to run tullatin it'll kill the motherboard within 12 months. A pci / AGP motherboard from year 2000 - 2002 with a pentium 3 or 2 x p3 for the dual boot with w2000 will have all pci slots and ample memory the AGP 4x is comparible to pentium 4 8X its literally only marginal and many 8x cards have a built in chip to convert PCIE architecture to AGP that have more than 138mb ram what games need more under W98 anyhow. I'dd prolly got up to 256mb ram but only 512mb if there weren't anything else! Add some Rudolf L. goodness get SATA II to run an SATA III SSD, if its over 128gb patch that too! with trimming, put his windows 98 memory patch cabinet archive to install it as your windows 98 install disk so you can run it with 2 gigs of ram, hell 1gb is said to be optimal even for windows XP!!! i want to advise the best chances of backwards compatibility to what we use today and bridge the gap to yesterday. An interesting thing for me my USB3 SAMSUNG 32gb flash drive runs faster and cooler on USB2! so the most modern hype isn't always the best as its all marginal and uses more electricity as well as drivers. Autopatcher 07 is in my opinion the only unofficial service pack I could stake my reputation on it has everything ever useful for W98 core even for laptops. I got pentium 4 machines they have issues and bugs running w98 especially with built in stuff that pentium III doesn't have so if anyone has pentium 4 that has no issues CONGRATULATIONS I AM HAPPY FOR YOU but if its the best for windows 98 and want to build a machin for it; i have spoken. hey! windows 98 says: Intel is coca cola but AMD Pepsi will do! -lol

i have a motherboard with an award bios. although released much later than a pentium 75 board, I had a pci SIS 6326 GPU card on it with an obselete bios. I couldn't upgrade it because it required a technique that could damage the gpu. But what i did was physically removed the GPU bios chip and loaded the updated GPU bios code into a section of the pc bios so it wouldn't need to load the updated bios as a system TSR at boot time. OEM options are endless with pc bios and an avenue to look into but not for motherboards with built in gpu option as it may overwrite it, interfere or just won't load more than one at a time (damn you again foxconn).

ASPI layer drivers are needed because windows 9x came out before CD-RW standards CD-RW are cool but DVD RAM is better that it can be re written to many more times, is faster and can be left in the drive as a "temporary" hard disk. Though still not as responsive as a hard disk, I am not sure if ASPI is needed for DVD RAM or not but people loved them more. Last one of those discs i had was the only reason i kept the drive for 5 years never ejected once.

i am suspicious there are unofficial patches from Autopatcher that cause audio to malfunction on oracle virtual machine. Unofficial patches are great but sometimes the kernel stability isn't adhered to or monitored and also can become more noticeably unstable in virtual machines. Edit: Its Microsoft fault

That sounds promising! especially if theres no write corruption on 128gb+ disks but since i use SSD to boot system on it'd probably do for the secondary mechanical disk that is like 500gb SATA that'll be the storage. I must say, from win9x to winxp was true disk sleep mode newer never let disks sleep. same with usb storage.

here it is https://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-to-4-Internal-SATA-Port-Combo-Extender-Adapter-RAID-Controller-Card-BT/112562327165?epid=2240730807&hash=item1a353cce7d:g:32UAAOSwm79cwELl I suggest buy now before they sell out there are up to a dozen other sales there right now but prices vary. It used to sell for $100+ once until sata 3 came along with pcie I'll have a look at DOS soon i am a bit busy but will be done. Didn't Rudolph L. make a smartdrive app?

Well now. Time for my dollars worth of windows 9x advice. All 90's windows use the original MMX multimedia extensions so a pentium 4 isn't necessary a pentium 3 system will do nicely as an enhanced MMX system (they go up to 1ghz). AMD well they were all crap in comparison under windows 9x so only if have to! the entire win 9x system is in fact Intel optimized and for pentium MMX. Pentium 4's MMX is slower than pentium 3 as pentium 4 is MMX II; MMX backwards compatible. (windows 9x can only use 1 cpu or cpu core at all times) A PCI AGP only motherboard without ISA will be more snappy and newer in mileage a great way to target a longer living system. If possible a SATA II PCI controller card and a sata II or III disk will work nicely (under 128gb capacity unless system is patched) to rid the old rattly PATA IDE disks if you get a controller with win9x drivers. Any pc with 2gb ram and appropriate patch can say bye bye to memory swapping on windows 9x. If you can get a pentium 3 system cheaper it will be less hassle getting hardware support, data is better optimized, and there is plenty of community to get directions but pentium 4 has limitations especially on board graphics (chrome 9 argh! foxconns nuts days) forget voodoo graphics get something 64 or 128mb graphics. Always try to have double system ram in comparison to GPU RAM minimum to satisfy GPU Arpeture requirements it stops gaming lag. So if its a 128mb GPU then a minimum 256mb system ram but 512mb is great for multimedia. Dual booting with windows 2000 makes sense that 2000 iis MMX only like windows 9x and works where windows 9x does with most success. Windows Millennium is the system milestone from 9x and 2000 to the later XP. It has video editing and other cool multimedia stuff but driver support is limited to what is reliable today to use. My gpu has drivers signed for 98se but under millennium it has not and nobody has said which ones do.

I am NOT trolling I am just showing my results of revisiting smartdrive for any retro shoppers selections. I actually went through this thread and did some tinkering and I was smirking the whole time. My trusty 2002 dual cpu ABIT VP6 system with 1ghz Pentium III's is so much fun to play tinker. With this threads advice i had a whole 3 days tinkering done. (then i started smirking at my parts box) Removed the 40gb maxtor diamondmax IDE PATA. off ATA 66mbit onboard socket. (the disk supports up to ATA 133mbit/s) I had that disk since 2002. Best for pentium 4's i recon that most pentium 4 boards have ATA 133 IDE ports and the marginal improvement of smartdrive tinkering was making me feel glum. Plugged in my 4 port SATA II RAID compatible PCI card. (and plugged in my SATA DVD) This time installing windows 98se on 120gb SSD thats SATA III but runs nicely on SATA II mode with significantly less heat. Installed windows 98se with memory patch cab from DVD as my SATA II Card likes to take over boot time. 12 minutes later .... COOL! WINDOWS 98SE WITH 2GB RAM .... now for the controller driver and display driver. My PCI card came with is own windows 98, 98se, AND Millennium drivers so i installed them and set my SSD to removable disk mode. Its awesome. The mechanical disk replacement and SATA II has significantly lowered boot and program loading times but when it comes to huge files it can take time. With 2gb low density system ram I have disabled memory paging. I wish I had this system when it was released but the availability and cheap price Its like getting the sports car from yesterday that''s now cheaper. So then i load smartdrive with 32mb buffer for windows I don't notice anything and it has a 128gb disk capacity limitation so I won't be using it for my 500gb Mechanical disk as systems 2nd disk (boo hoo) Got my SATA II controller from ebay under $20AU and being PCI they should work on anything 6x86 or 5x86 that and SSD eliminates any caching needs for win9x. I have a powerline conditioning pci board that boasts improving system sound quality I have found it has improved every aspect of my systems quality and has saved the motherboards capacitors from bulging. (card is on ebay.) GPU is an AMD with 128mb ram. I wonder if a 1gb AMD card with HDMI will work off AGP 4X. If someone can give me a benchmark tool here I will happily post results just so we know what to buy when retro shopping. Windows resource meters are not accurate.

fails to mention if installed windows from hard disk as boot disk or cd rom as boot disk - setup from booted hard disk has been known to rely on dos loaded cdriom driver thereafter. soundblaster and gpu probably no driver for it. i mean Live didn't even release anything for win9x after 2004 like everyone else. There are reference drivers for gpu but they do not support even opengl acceleration (or true type fonts). I hate to say but the older the better everything 2004 and older there is old new stock out there.

kernel patching is rampant on 32 bit windows is usually the cause of system wide crashes with unofficial components designed for their official version 32 bit windows. An xp component patching 9x kernel; that's gonna cause panics. That includes MPC HC and others. Changes to 32 bit kernel memory needs to be observed and may prove my theory. Having KernelEx cater for kernel patching would need lots of testing because the kernel is the core of windows what the kernel says they system does!

Due to Millenniums protection the need to restore could be an unsigned kernel patching component that might not cause that error in 98se.

In 2 years my Abit VP6 Pentium III machine has its 20th year I run win2k on it

No R7 360 driver for XP x64 is the only reason i'm not using xp64 right now. Considering r7 360 is an overclock of the r7 series i am surprised nobody came up with anything. Machines i've run xp 64 have given 64 bit cpu's like entry level intel core duo more usefulness and on laptops they run cooler and less power hungry than xp x86. The slowest core duo i have had since 2007 running xp x64 has always made a meal of majority of facebook games with flash support. Archiving 7zip with ultra compression is faster in x64 mode and cpu is cooler. Video transcoding bleh forget it all 32bit. even on windows 10 64bit video editing i haven't seen yet. (nor any video games) Wonders if vista x64 driver may be ported to xp x64 ....

Hi. We all love windows 9x. But there are drivers for windows 98se that run on millennium. Unfortunately gpu drivers for windows 98se are not digitally signed for use on Millenium thus the texture acceleration is greyed out. It would be neat to start a collection for Millennium that are digitally signed to run on Millennium.

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Hello. I am Australian. As you will see on my profile I have been registered here for a very long time without an introduction. I will talk a bit about myself. I am a computer hobbyist and I love giving away marketing ideas for free when I can translate my ideas. Computer architectural design has always caught my eye I have several desktop machine examples from sun micro systems, IBM, Apple and some IBM clones. My first computer ran windows 95 in 1996 that permanently put my name on the floppy set and I have been hanging on to windows 98se and millennium since they were first introduced. The last windows operating system I actually had deep affection for was windows xp professional. Although everyone hated Vista; Windows 7 is pretty much Vista Mk II just as XP was 2000 Mk II. These days I just use windows 10 because i have to. Many older machines have legacy that are no longer supported. That is why it is important to preserve desktop computing history to go back to for research, nostalgia, and fun. There are some things today that haven't been supported but still required in everyday use. It would make me happy to one day be sponsored to run a proper volunteer home desktop museum that promotes itself on video tubes and allows public to experience nostalgia. (even it its just to play commander keen lol) Thankyou for reading and lets help each other to help ourselves.

i use AutoPatcher_for_Win98se_June2007sp2_Full.exe on fresh windows install to avoid windows installer and dot net 1, 2 issues. Although people have there stuff installed and issues exist; 60- 90 minutes later, from a fdisk format c: , can save days on a forum Oh and Loew has cabs on his memorial site to fit into the windows 98se cdrom its cool to run 98se (and Me version too) with more than a gig ram.

I run windows advanced server 2019 and I play a steam game called vega conflict by kixeye. It works for all windows including advanced server 2016. But not advanced server 2019. Its my home server system and i'd like to hear issues people have with theirs. The GUI should run like windows 10 as far as i'm aware. I remember there were issues with advanced server 2016 like this. Also i have an AMD server graphics accelerator card that won't work with my gpu card. AMD R7 360 will not load its driver with AMD FirePro s9100 on same system. I'd like to at least utilise my server gpu to run virtual graphics acceleration on hyper v but it doesn't accelerate. the server pc allocates system ram to the virtual gpu even though theres a purpose built gpu card with 12gb ram.

I've used 86box and PCem but its too slow for me and considering the price of new stuff and the pollution from disposal of what i have i just use the 20 year old pentium 3 instead.

I have an AMD A10 CPU/GPU i use an R7 GPU card than the built in cpu one. theres something about sound hardware support for me but i have experience the same issues you have so i am just going to use real win9x hardware until i hear it works properly again. If only someone came up with a remote pc connection application for win9x to use hyper-v it'd probably be the answer

since i had emulation issues i wonder if its AMD? iS your pc AMD? have you tried qemu on a intel machine instead? i dunno why i query i just think microsoft are roosterheadss these days. we all know what the other word for rooster is they probably all have shares in each other throwing money around. the best chance of windows 9x on virtual pc's is as few patches as possible and not use internet. I hate it. As soon as i do the right thing and patch up windows 98 or millennium with good patches to make it more usable it seems to bork about the hpervisors arrogance. It can be qemu, virtualbox, vmware .... they just arrogant ponzies who don't know what a virtual machine truly is. hyper-visors are business orientated for buisness services. and where its open source they all copy each others crap like CASIO and YAMAHA with their synthesizer tone banks. The best virtual pc i ever used was Microsoft virtual PC 2004 edition it even had real disk support you know, direct disk support it was fantastic to do a first setup phase ready to complete on a real mahine. but nooooo we cannot be trusted. If it had more video memory i would never ventured out into the arrogant hyper-visor crap buggery. Virtual pc SP1 took away real disk support. a security update they called it.

I have a desktop board that can use both non ecc and ecc ram i'm wondering if there would be an improvement in leakage with ECC ram

Is this still offered?

did i read windows 98 with 1 gigabyte of ram? was the system.ini tweaked for it? without that I've never seen it run more than 768mb