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Because msfn need to pay for license key and spam prevention. Thats why! This is private site based on donations and I do everything for free. Here are some people from the beginning and I respect them, otherwise MSFN will be removed from the net long time ago. Calm down and be patient.

Dear Dave, you're, as usual, right, and this is a very good example of what you've just told. https://msfn.org/board/topic/178137-mozilla-firefox-5291-esr-works-on-windows-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1269639 Words torn out-of-context is a total disrespect, not to mention the mockery part. On behalf of all members, I want to thank you for being a marvellous moderator!

You sound arrogant and conceited, was that your intent? Is the forum getting renamed in your honor? This is a quote taken out of context. If you want to quote me, please do it correctly in context! Here is my original statement: What sounds arrogant and conceited about this factual statement? The answer is: nothing. But your subsequent comment is simply inappropriate and superfluous.

Correct. The browser Thorium is in different versions available but none of them is compatible with a CPU SSE only. It works perfectly in New Moon 28 and Serpent 52. Thus, it's a very good recommendation. Try to lower the minversion to 27.10.0 in the install.rdf file inside the xpi archive! Maybe, it works then in New Moon 27.10.0, too. BTW, it was indeed a typo in the user agent string I already corrected.

Agree, but it would be a great breakthrough, so let's dream on!

I honestly find it hard to believe, probably a glitch by GPU-Z.

There is a lack of respect for other members being shown in some posts here recently. May I remind everyone of Rule 7b. Consider this to be a warning.

This one seems to finally improved a bit, btw.

AtBroker.exe

Pros - a somewhat light, with the most needed customisations, like removing the ugly profile button and the ability to have a really clean UI Officially works on old OS, the release version of Win 7 (2009) for example, works on Vista with a couple of tweaks, works on Win 8 from 2012. No problems with excessive brightness or fonts! Cons - very seldom engine updates. Thoughts?

How do we know it's the original project, and not a fake one, like in the recent case with the warnings about fake Supermium?

Here, since you don't think I belong here, MY XP-Era machine IS SLOWER THAN YOURS. I belong here! Whether YOU like it or not. PassMark did not list the Pentium 3 for a comparison and it wasn't worth my time to locate this comparison for you. REALITY IS, if you want to pit my XP in a battle with your XP, yours is FASTER. Again, I belong here! Sure, mine is only 14yrs "young" and yours may be older by five calendar quarters, but age doesn't paint the entire canvas. And YES, I took GREAT OFFENSE to your statement claiming otherwise! "You are forgiven", whether you want to be or not.

BS. I'm on an XP-Era machine. Running 52.9.1 ESR. Thanks, btw, for the download link. I would suggest that even Serpent 52 users on XP also have a SAY and VOICE in this thread. Feel free to request ADMIN RIGHTS so that you can change the title of this thread to serve your purpose.

You sound arrogant and conceited, was that your intent? Is the forum getting renamed in your honor?

As I already mentioned, you can also test mobile user agents. The advantage of a mobile user agent is that the offered version of a website is very often (but not always) much lighter. Here is a Firefox based mobile user agent originally used by Firefox on Android: Mozilla/5.0 (Android 9; Mobile; rv:125.0) Gecko/125.0 Firefox/125.0 You can lower the Firefox version of this string to a value you like, of course. In New Moon 28, @roytam1 has recently changed the default user agent to the following string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.7) Goanna/6.7 PaleMoon/33.2 On my Pentium 4 2.8 GHz 32-bit computer, Google works fine with this user agent. In general, one can say that more recent user agent strings lead to a website version with full functionality but unfortunately very often more cumbersome on old, weak computers. But one thing is clear. It is always a game of trial and error. That said you should use a user agent extension for experimenting. Here is a very good one called User Agent Status: https://msfn.org/board/topic/183923-extensions-and-custom-buttons-for-uxp-browsers-corrections-modifications-adjustments-and-special-recommendations/?do=findComment&comment=1250958 At this point, I should mention that I additionally use several user scripts on Google websites in my browsers as, for example, Return Pagination to Google to make it the way I like it. If you have questions to extensions or user scripts, please do that in my thread Extensions and custom buttons for UXP browsers - Corrections, modifications, adjustments, and special recommendations as our conversation here has unfortunately become off-topic. Any browser related things should be requested in @roytam1's browser thread. Cheers, AstroSkipper

@Hackerman Mozilla/5.0 is the general token that says that the browser is Mozilla-compatible. For historical reasons, almost every browser today sends it. Windows NT 6.1; WOW64 implies that the browser's OS is Windows 7 64-bit. If you want to tell the website you are on Windows XP, you have to change that to Windows NT 5.1. Gecko and Goanna entries are information about used or compatible browser engines. More later.

ARP.EXE

StartAllBack 3.8 is major update with fully recreated taskbar. It will be necessary for August 24H2 update. It's like 70% new app. New - Shy autohide taskbar perk - Never, hide labels combine button setting - Reorder task thumbnails by drag&drop Improved - Reduced taskbar memory usage, improved responsiveness with async immersive shell startup - Pixel-perfect task icons if possible - All-new animations - Incorporated RudeWindowFixer Removed - Modern jump list with classic taskbar - Pinning to jumplist via drop on taskbar button - Auto-hide taskbar for fullscreen UWP apps Download: https://startisback.com/StartAllBack_setup.exe No translations for taskbar context menu in beta 1 Refer to alpha 1/2 threads

interesting i heared problems like this severial times now but often it was a xp64 issue there is a relativ high chance that you might try x32 (upgraded sp3+rest) and see of that problem also apears on the 32 bit version because some did have similiar problems and using 32 bits did not have that problem in the next step the x64 bit version was fixed up xp64 was getting far less upgrades, fixes and patches 64 bit operating system where not popular that time, thats why there are 7, 8.1 and 10 x32 bit versions

You need to disable taskbar on all displays to move main taskbar.

Check if you have HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop\WindowMetrics\MinWidth

Not here, sitting at 95 MB... running RC.

It's only apparently, apparently is being the keyword in that sentence. One Core API doesn't allow extensions, for example, not to mention it's glitchy as hell!

Cancel that! Nailed it down to an update I installed for one game, removed it, everything is fast again. Moving onto another 15 years cycle.

It's a web browser. https://github.com/Alex313031/thorium-legacy/

We are talking here about using a mobile user agent only on google.com. And iin this case, Google Search performs much faster on old, weak computers. Especially in Thorium, it works great. All tested by me on my old machine.

Hi there, I think the icon margins is a bit too far apart. I've attached an image comparing RocketDock ( Top ) vs AllStartBack Taskbar ( Icon Size: M, Margins: XS ). It's crazy how the gap is almost same width as the icon in taskbar. The icons are customized and maximized to fill the whole space horizontally. Also I know the blank icon isn't taking full space horizontally, I measured in other area only put the text there. The separator is from another app.

It doesn't support dx12, When you hover over that textbox it explains that it ts only about whether the GPU's hardware supports dx12 (probably takes this info from some list) and it doesn't test whether drivers and OS also do. As for what works on this driver: dx9 - works dx10 - not tested, but should work like dx11 dx11 - works as browser HW acceleration, but not in games. Vulkan - doesn't work (I made no attempts at fixing it or using VulcanRT installer but it's very low priority thing on this laptop) OpenGL - not tested yet Video decoder DXVA - Doesn't work and causes a BSOD when you attempt to use it. Had to remove atiumd6a.dll from system32 and atiumdva.dll from syswow64, so that video playback just falls back to software rendering OpenCL - doesn't work

Take that up with an admin. I have reported dozens (plural) of spam in the last couple of weeks. They all pertain to cracks, keygens, and dating. So YES, those words should be BLOCKED !!! Admins are FAST and remove them within 20 minutes or so of being reported. And NO TOPIC here at MSFN would ever NEED those words for the sake of discussing said topic. This is about effective spam prevention on the board. Whether Dixel agrees are not, the DOZENS of spam in the last couple of weeks could have ALL been prevented had these three little words not be allowed to be posted.

AppLaunch.exe

_isdel.exe

AdapterTroubleshooter.exe

Yes. Lower the user agent in about:config via the general.useragent.override.google.com or general.useragent.override.google.xxx pref where xxx is your country-specific TLD! If it doesn't exist, create this pref as a string one. This is a site-specific user agent. Choosing a mobile user agent for Google is also possible and makes the Google searches even faster.

@Hackerman Here are two further, more recent SSE alternatives. A Firefox 45 fork: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/firefox-45.9.34-20230930-69f77fc6e-win32-sse.7z and New Moon 27: https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-27.10.0.win32-git-20240720-be4fef94e8-xpmod-sse.7z

And if you still need the very old, abandoned Mozilla Firefox 52.9.1 ESR, here is a link: https://web.archive.org/web/20210730234012/https://download-origin.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-esr52-win32/1536215521/firefox-52.9.1.en-US.win32.installer.exe Alternatively, one link from the first post still works: http://sdfox7.com/xp/sp3/EOL/firefox-52.9.1.en-US.win32.installer.exe

I don't know as your CPU is very weak. Try the Mypal 68.14.3b SSE release, and you will see whether it works or not. These should be the right ones matching your hardware specs. But it is always a game of trial and error. So, check them! You can't lose anything.

thanks for your investigation. so basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20210327 is OK and basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20210320 fails? http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/2021/03/weekly-browser-binaries-20210327.html EDIT: oh yea there is a commit missed in my repo! "Issue #1749 - Remove restriction of SVG width/height element attributes." is missed, will add it back and will be available in next build.

OK, this is off-topic, but things are getting weirder.... There is something on my system blocking me from launching any application named "firefox.exe." I have to rename Firefox to, say, firefoxx.exe for it to run! If I don't rename it, when I try to launch it, it says it doesn't exist! Anyone ever heard of such a thing? Edit 3: OK I found that problem. At one point I was experimenting with trying to run Mo versions >115 with VxKex (a Win 7 kernel extender). I had no luck, so I uninstalled VxKex. Unfortunately, the uninstall did not revert a registry key, so anytime I tried to run firefox.exe, Windows tried to load VxKex and of course, couldn't find it. That was the real missing file. Deleting the registry key fixed it. That said, I can confirm that Mo 68.9 ESR does not render AVSForum correctly. Same bug as Serpent. Clean profile. Edit: OK, getting closer. Mo 78.9 ESR does render AVSForum correctly. So Mozilla's fix was between 68 and 78 (and presumably backported to MyPal). Edit 2: OK, got it. Mo 68.9 ESR doesn't work, but Mo 69 does work. So Mozilla's fix landed in version 69. The date of the fix appears to be circa Oct. 2019. At least, that's the date on all the files in the Mozilla Firefox folder. Hmm.... Perhaps this? The SVG geometry attributes (such as width and height) can now also be defined as CSS properties (Firefox bug 1383650). Edit 4: The fix appears to have landed in official Pale Moon somewhat later: version 29.1.1, dated 26-Mar-2021. Version 29.1.0, dated 1-Mar-2021, does not render AVSForum.com correctly. So I have it narrowed down to one month. Edit 5: On a hunch, I checked @roytam1's St 52 build from March 2021. And sure enough, that same CSS fix landed in the last week of that month. So, I downloaded the St 52 build - and it does render AVSForum correctly! (Well, not quite; as feared, there are other issues, but at least those giant graphics aren't present.) So, it's a regression: been fixed, but somewhere along the line, it broke again. It's getting awfully late here, though. I'm going to bed now.

Revised CSS fix for Google Search: @-moz-document domain("www.google.com") { .lRPPDf { height: unset !important; } .VNzqVe { flex: unset !important; } } PixAI now deviates a bit from how it was intended, but at least it stops resizing like mad, though it would also need other fixes: @-moz-document domain("pixai.art") { #app .size-full { width: unset !important; height: unset !important; min-width: 100%; min-height: 100%; } }

TLS 1.3 update for my older browsers: NewMoon 26 for Win2000: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/palemoon-26.5.0-20240601.win2000.7z K-Meleon 74 Goanna 2.2: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/KM74-g22-20240601.win2000.7z Retrozilla (suite): http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/retrozilla-suite-tls13-20240526.7z Retrozilla browser (rzbrowser): http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/rzbrowser-tls13-20240526.7z K-Meleon 1.5.4: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.tls13.7z TLS 1.3 update files for Netscape 9: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/ns9-nss-update-tls13.7z TLS 1.3 update files for Firefox 1.0 - 1.5 and K-Meleon 0.8 - 1.1.6: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/VC6-nss-update-tls13.7z Classilla 9.3.3/9.3.4b suite: ^ http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/classilla-9.3.3-win32-tls13.7z Phoenix 0.5 with Classilla 9.3.3/9.3.4b changes: ^ http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/phoenix-0.5-cl933-tls13.7z ^ also comes with fixes for running under Win9x/FAT, also fixed some crashes in updated archive.

New regular/weekly KM-Goanna release: https://o.rthost.win/kmeleon/KM76.5.4-Goanna-20240601.7z Changelog: Out-of-tree changes: * update Goanna3 to git df2987f659...07da6b90ed: - nss: update nssckbi to 2.66 (1b2e5e9e5c) - import changes from `dev' branch of rmottola/Arctic-Fox: - Bug 1265072 part 1. Add GetWindowIfCurrent and GetDocumentIfCurrent helpers to DOMEventTargetHelper. r=smaug (238cf93592) - Bug 1265072 part 2. Get rid of uses of GetDocumentFromScriptContext in XMLHttpRequest code. r=smaug (263f063149) - Bug 1265072 part 3. Get rid of the use of GetDocumentFromScriptContext in DOMEventTargetHelper. r=smaug (8dd8dca53d) - Bug 1265072 part 4. Get rid of uses of GetDocumentFromScriptContext in WebSocket code. r=smaug (be9c18769b) - Bug 1265072 part 5. Get rid of uses of GetDocumentFromScriptContext in EventSource code. r=smaug (5fbcf73629) - Bug 1265072 part 6. Get rid of nsContentUtils::GetDocumentFromScriptContext. r=smaug (752aa67986) - Bug 1258576 part.1 nsContentIterator should give up to find next/previous node if it reached the root node unexpectedly r=smaug (7175ce5477) - Bug 1230660 - Remove verbose warnings emitted from nsContentIterator. r=smaug (ef0b8a3a4c) - Bug 1260908 - Fix type of kMinTelemetryMessageSize. r=smaug (8817839277) - Bug 1209461 - Remove compilation warnings in nsFrameMessageManager, r=smaug (da95cf91ab) - Bug 1251361 - "Assertion failure: cache->PreservingWrapper()" with <marquee>, navigation, adoptNode. r=smaug. (630cff1943) - Bug 1144204. Stop returning things for non-plug-in MIME types from the navigator.mimeTypes getter. r=smaug (329eac72b1) - Bug 1150709 - Add mForceContentDispatch to nsInProcessTabChildGlobal (r=smaug) (d7e2887457) - Bug 233705 - remove mDontWrapAnyQuotes, mWrapToWindow and pref wrap_to_window_width. r=ehsan (c7e98bc307) - Bug 1105556 - nsPerformance::CheckAllowedOrigin should return early for TYPE_DOCUMENT loads. TYPE_DOCUMENT loads don't go through a TimingAllowedCheck(). r=bz, vgosu (5da5530caf) - Bug 1241183 - Make nsScriptLoadRequest non-threadsafe now it's no longer used as a context for network loads r=sicking (206d763af8) - Bug 962251 - Add relatedTarget in FocusEvent, r=smaug (f66018e5a4) - Bug 1248806 - Splitting out protocol handlers from nsLayoutModule. r=bholley (572243ca92) - Bug 1256488 - Use Base64 URL-encoding in CryptoBuffer. r=ttaubert (9d28ca5f9c) - Bug 1243311 - Add structured cloning tests for CryptoKeys r=rbarnes (5cde35d811) - Bug 842818 - Enable structured cloning for CryptoKeys across threads r=baku,keeler (8863b23dc3) - Bug 1257325 - Silence VS2015 compiler warnings in CryptoKey.cpp f=gps r=rbarnes (0d93bdc950) - Bug 1188750 - Add test to ensure NSS is initialized before the WebCrypto API tries to deserialize a key f=keeler r=khuey (8d08363e2c) - Bug 842818 - Run WebCrypto tests in Workers r=mt,rbarnes (48477dfeb4) - Bug 1205177 - call fileHandleQueue->Finish if aFinish in FileHandleThreadPool::Enqueue. r=janv (f5d6737f27) - Bug 1206166 - Move FetchUtil::Consume methods into separate BodyUtil class and update Fetch.cpp and ServiceWorkerEvents.cpp accordingly. r=kitcambridge (967f2f58e1) - Bug 1250930 - Use SubtleCrypto's global when creating keys for an ImportKeyTask r=bz (6227fb14b3) - Bug 1250930 - Use correct global when creating a key in GenerateSymmetricKeyTask r=bz (92d7faa773) - Bug 1240436 - Part1: Convert UTF16 to UTF8 before generating nsStringInputStream. r=khuey (1919accaf8) - Bug 1240436 - Part2: Lossy convert UTF16 to ASCII before generating nsStringInputStream. r=mayhemer (03aa1b6dbe) - Bug 1240436 - Part3: Remove NS_NewStringInputStream to prevent misuse. r=froydnj (cff40c1b2e) - Bug 1263405 - Some headers missing in dom/base, r=smaug (12043c5368) - Bug 964583 - Revert Web IDL [EnforceRange] (unsigned) long long boundary conditions to match ES6. r=bz (6e235bb6b7) - Bug 1260838 - Assert that ScriptSource's reference count is zero upon destruction; r=jimb a=kwierso (8455465c92) - Bug 1257164 - Check for interrupts in a few loops in JSON.stringify to eliminate feedback-less hangs. r=evilpie (dbe1336aa8) - Bug 837192 followup: In js::FunctionToString, fold variable into its only remaining usage-site (an assertion) to fix opt Werror build failures. rs=Waldo (e6b4f52d6a) - Bug 1258436 - Remove GC suppression in JSFunction::createScriptForLazilyInterpretedFunction. r=sfink (206023942d) - Declare and define ExecutableAllocator::reprotectRegion only #ifdef NON_WRITABLE_JIT_CODE, to eliminate MOZ_ASSERT of a constant condition that makes some compilers warn. No bug, r=efaust over IRC (5a4d3ab11b) - Bug 1254369 - IonMonkey: MIPS: Fix ma_b(Register, Imm32, wasm::JumpTarget) missing. r=arai (2f906fec70) - Bug 1256502 - Use a uint32_t cast to avoid C4319 on VS2015; r=botond (93ba380002) - Bug 1236043 - Use TiledRegion for the invalid region of a layer. r=jrmuizel (37b87bc355) - Bug 1248044 - Add PingPongRegion for faster region operations for 2x memory usage. r=jrmuizel (fbd73fb879) - Bug 1236043 - Add a TiledRegion class. r=jrmuizel (3056f641a4) - Bug 1116473 - [3.2] Use RefPtr for AndroidSurfaceTexture references. r=snorp (c6e80d0d84) - Bug 1116473 - [1.1] Handle AndroidSurfaceTexture mapping in thread-safe class. r=snorp (ee8b1d0736) - Bug 1116473 - [2.1] Const-correctness fixes. r=snorp (5f5fb8fbc4) - Bug 1251163 - Clear android surface texture before widget shutdown, r=nical (b71d849297) - Bug 1245813 - Make TextureHost bullet-proof against changing its compositor. r=dvander (b0ef2492fc) - Recreate GLTextureSources after changing compositors on Mac. (bug 1247611, r=mattwoodrow) (26bd0e69aa) - Bug 1258768 - Check compositor backends before casting. r=dvander (98929ca492) - Bug 1245813 - Fix a trivial inverted null check in TextureHostOGL.cpp. r=me (956cfd2e5c) - Bug 1245813 - Add a missing parenthesis on NS_SUCCEEDED, on a CLOSED TREE. (8e13cc3e1b) - Bug 1262601 - Handle video content as opaque in PostProcessLayers() r=mattwoodrow (ba578d7394) - Bug 1258768 - Remove the remaining unsafe compositor casts. r=dvander (8ec58c0ce8) - Bug 1229946 - report GL_ARB_texture_rg extension to SkiaGL to avoid using GL_ALPHA render targets. r=jgilbert (cf0f3a9fec) - Bug 1238541 - Don't die in SharedSurface_EGLImage::ProducerReadReleaseImpl() if there is an existing fence r=jgilbert (c1ea4891f7) - Bug 1240806 - Remove some dead code in GLContextProviderEGL. r=jgilbert (40484e9039) - Bug 1258094 - Use SurfaceFormat::B8G8R8A8 as back buffer surface r=jrmuizel (cec7a31ffd) - Bug 1254897 - Recycle back buffer in BasicCompositor r=jrmuizel (0359698b68) (2ce8c88a9b) - import changes from `dev' branch of rmottola/Arctic-Fox: - Bug 1248822 - In LayerManagerComposite::UpdateAndRender(), call PostProcessLayers() before LayerTreeInvalidation. r=mattwoodrow (503f81f51f) - Bug 1259541 - Reduce clearing backbuffer in nsBaseWidget::CreateBackBufferDrawTarget() r=mattwoodrow (4f8cf8ab04) - Bug 1174461 - [e10s] Return a cached result from SendGetNativePluginPort (r=jimm) a=kwierso (fff65b95ac) - Bug 1263200 - Reset the APZ pointer in the base widget to null if the compositor creation fails. r=mstange (109d4a16a8) - Bug 1264161 - Ensure we null out APZ pointers to the widget when it gets destroyed. r=botond (fdb516451e) - Bug 1260018 - Route drag events to APZ, so it can accurately detect the end of a drag. r=kats (acd2b4a051) - Remove drawWidgetAsOnScreen. (bug 1264393, r=mattwoodrow, webidl r=khuey) (b0ce23eacc) - Bug 1254151 - use B8G8R8X8 for 24 bit depth visuals in nsShmImage with Cairo. r=jrmuizel (070ef9495d) - Bug 1218955 - Remove nsIMEPicker, r=jchen (83adb6c582) - Bug 1255655 - Const-ify keysymtab. r=karlt. (d9544cbf0c) - Bug 1165048 - Music playback is getting stopped and is not resumed when modem is restarted. r=mwu (d3f99f8542) - Bug 1264183. Remove unused argument to nsView::InvalidateHierarchy. r=mats (218ce04623) - Bug 1210617 - [e10s] Implement PrivateBrowsingChannel for ExternalHelperAppParent. r=jduell (36e6ab7635) - Bug 1258087 - Fix -Wunreachable-code warning in StartupCache.cpp on macosx64-mulet. r=froydnj (5f88df6993) - Bug 1329798 - Include sys/sysmacros.h for major(), minor() on Linux. r=glandium, a=jcristau (a5c4073eb2) - guard for non-linux system again or mac & FreeBSD fail to compile (6b5d2856b6) (07da6b90ed) * Notice: the changelog above may not always applicable to XULRunner code which K-Meleon uses. A goanna3 source tree that has kmeleon adaption patch applied is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/palemoon27/tree/kmeleon76