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Yep, the website is only in english but it works on all languages.

Finally, the WINDOWS UPDATE HAS COME BACK TO WINDOWS 98/ME!!!! (read this in The Rock's voice) Took it long enough... (11 YEARS!?!?) I will test the website tomorrow ASAP (98 on VM, 2000 on real computer). By the way, i would remind you that you shall do some negotiations with Legacy Update team to include V4 on their sites, if you want... We can host our private servers, you know, we already have our domain... I've just gave some facts to consider what is next... Also, you can extract all official (and unofficial) updates in the AutoPatcher for Windows 98. The real thing is rewritting the download links to make this thing working... Still, HUGE freaking congrats to all of those who made this website functional!!!!! Cheers, mates!

Yes, I want to do that.

nvm i found virus but

You can be a tester (but join the Discord as we do not publish all files on MSFN). Everyone can participate. @legacyfan You can help by being a tester too, and finding download links and updates for Windows 98/Me in all languages, or translating the existing pages. @mina7601 You can also do that too if you don't want to be a tester.

By the way, is there any compatibility with non-English OS versions?

By the way, how can I help in this project?

For the second question, you will get disappointed. The last version of IE that works properly on Windows 95 is IE 5.5 SP2. I don't really know of someone made a patch or a back port of IE6 on W95. For the first question... This is a first time i saw this type of question on forum... But probably it would work, with a lots of bugs, because it was designed to work in W95/3.xx kernel, and W2000 was on "all-new" NT kernel... Or it might won't even work...

Well in about a week and a half, Patch Tuesday arrives sans any updates for Windows 8 (as support ran out for the OS on the 12th of January). So after running System Restore, I will be running WSUS Offline and downloading February's updates for Server 2012. I'll check the bulletins for each patch and see which of the patches do not relate to server-specific code, and attempt running those. If my system updates successfully, great. I have unofficial support. If not and my system barfs, then I'll return to the last restore point. Then I'll decide if I stay with Windows 8, or go back to Windows Vista for another year (after all, my taxes will be done and I won't need any newer OS for another year.) I'll keep you posted on what happens. I may need to patch/edit the update.inf file somehow, but I'm not sure yet. This will be the first time that a Windows NT 6x based OS runs out of support, to try this experiment, so I'm eager to see what happens. Here's Greenhillmaniacs Repository of Server 2012 Patches that are Suitable for Windows 8 https://mega.nz/#F!ExhDEbDA!pUhzXKVp5-hgzvylW_btfQ

Compare your "Page Load Time" extension to the "finish" and "load" indicated in Developer Tools. You may find that your "Page Load Time" does not properly count the way some pages load - ie, javascript can tell the browser that the page is fully loaded while images are still being downloaded. I don't recall the specifics, but I know it can be done, intentionally delay image-load so that the user can read the web site while images that you have not scrolled into view are still being downloaded.

And why use an extension when the Developer Tools has a page load indicator?

Maybe consider upgrading your hw? Runs like a dream on machines with SSD drives.

For me, 8.1 is similarly fast to 7, but slower than 8.0.

@legacyfan: did you try your luck with the USB3 drivers of the latest Patch Integrator (from here)?

English is fine for testing, but not everyone is english :/ Let's find updates in more languages.

i changed my os name to win 7 to get new malwarebytes

New Malwarebytes works great with vista need jut to change windows 6.0 to windows 6.1 for install then remove the 1 from windows 6.1 after install. It crashes sometimes

if there's anything I could do for the project I would be willing to pitch in as well to help this great project (because windows needs saving)

I agree 100%, would be a great idea imo.

Serpent (2023/04/13) does not work properly with eBay. Bidding or sending offers is no longer possible. There's also still a less serious but nevertheless long-standing issue with the watchlist page on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/mye/myebay/watchlist Serpent incorrectly renders the iframe horizontally which necessitates scrolling from left to right. Thanks

AstroSkipper, I agree with you 100% ! I'd also add simple mechanical failures due to the dried out motor bearings lubricant ! And/or dust inside (yes, dust inside of newly-made japs-made Toshiba/Hitachi) , jaclaz may just be too young to remember the DeathStar HDD from Toshiba, so let's not get too hard on him ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deskstar

Still hoping for working v4 Windows 98SE/ME but that's already good progress! It's been more than 11 years since it got shut down, time flies

And then WhatsApp's icon becomes gray, and "(Outdated)" appears next to its name in the window title.

If you download an older installer (.exe) and install it on Windows 7/8.1 it will automatically say that there is an update available and will internally update the app to the latest version. All you can‘t do is to install it directly

1. I don't have such hardware. 2. It is definitely off-topic for this thread.

@SweetLow Do you think you might be able to figure out why Windows 98's ESDI_506.PDR driver fails to load when booting off of the SD card interface on rasteri's WeeCee and Eivind's Tinyllama 1 and 2. They both use this "RDC SD-IDE Host Controller" device that works fine in 2000 and XP, but 98 doesn't like it for some as yet undiscovered reason. Do you think you might be interested in solving this?

It was indeed designed for a totally different browser concept in mind - The one of a minimalist browser without much customization features and which basically is similar to the Chromium model in many ways. Everything old... the old UI and it's customization features, add-ons and themes stood in the way of Mozilla to make a Chrome clone without actually being Chrome - and being able to appeal that way to all the Chrome users (and we already know that backfired MASSIVELY )

It's Spotify's launcher.

and actually you can experience how MC frustrated on trying to port PM front-end to moebius but failed because of other browser components requiring major reverts/rewrites to get PM front-end working. this progress "itself" is fun. just I don't have enough wisdom to make it go further this time in the moment. maybe I will revisit it again in the future.

thats a hole connects to abyss. and we don't know the thing comes from abyss is a bless or a curse.

@Mathwiz But the thing is UXP uses no Rust, so it is basically useless cruft to add that back. There is just minimalist Rust usage in code bases below 57 - what for a use would it be to restore this again? Rust clearly makes only sense if you would use a code base beyond 57 as planned base code for any theoretical future release (and that would be a no-go again as the classic UI with it's unique features could not be brought forward) - 100% flawlessly working Multi-Process usage in an engine below 57 is a goal basically impossible. I would say there are 2 defining moments in Mozilla's own timeline: - Firefox 0.x-56 - the era of customization and being different towards Chrome - Firefox 57 - ??? - the era of minimalism and simplicity - "maximum Chrome user compatibility" And yeah, they are optimized for Chrome - but what is the defining feature what Chrome uses? Multi-process - UXP web compatibility issues are are totally unique problem.

it is still a problem that mypal68 can't produce x64 build, since rustc/rust-stdlib still has some problems that feodor2 doesn't fix/workaround in the moment.

I do have to restart UXP based browsers more and more often, at some point the cache has to be dropped otherwise it is the same thing than a memory leak. It is not trivial for a programmer though to decide what is best to cache and for how long. I do remember an old Article from Raymond Chen taking about this and hw Acess was able to improve its performance by not caching some results that were easy to recalculate. For sure UXP has a problem and there is a lot of cache they should drop and that never gets dropped, otherwise it would not seems normal to everyone that a session is supposed to get slower and slower. and that you hould just upgrad your RAM. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20041220-00/?p=36943

Memory management topic popped up on Pale Moon forums recently. I've always assumed the browser's codebase has memory leaks, but they say it's caching and by design. Strange design... And that thing about Gmail (or any site leaking memory) doesn't compute in my head. Last time I checked, you don't do mallocs and frees in JavaScript, so how can you "leak" memory as a website? Isn't that what garbage collector is for? It seems this design can lead to browser eventually hanging, at least or especially 32-bit versions, presumably due to all gunk hanging around, plus extensions also pollute process' address space, can't tell whether the impact is significant. At least those that aren't unpacked, its XPI file is mapped in the process' address space. So more RAM and running 64-bit version may prevent the gunk from killing the browser, but it won't prevent sluggishness that occurs over time, for which the only cure is restart of the browser. From my experience, I wouldn't say heavy "Googlized" sites alone are the factor.

Excellent! Glad you are the sharing type @SweetLow.

Sorry it took such a long time, but I've just added a new version that should work with the new Extended Kernel release. Be aware though that it has had very limited testing so far as I've unfortunately had very little time recently!

Now installers for NT5.x work! Download from https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsVjtW11rJfA3FQANrgg_QXRMgfx?e=lCF2lV, run it on your system and everything will work! Installers for NT6.x currently do not work. I'm testing them.

I have had problems, using HxD, to save RAM images over 350Mb. When using Grub4dos, the error is "Stream Read Error". With Grub2/Memdisk(from Syslinux), there is no error. But when you boot the saved image, there is filesystem corruption. I'm not entirely sure it is the size of the image, causing the problem. It could be specific machines. I haven't investigated it very much. A work around is a Dos USB/Fat32 drive and Partition Saving. This won't work, if the available Dos USB drivers don't work for your machine. There are some good Dos USB drivers out there. But even the "demo" Dosusb drivers operate long enough, to do a back-up. Note:These drivers don't work with "EMM386". The other problem, is that Partition saving adds a very small header. It needs to be cut off, after saving. If your machine has no PS2 keyboard support, you may have to add a batch file to "C:\Windows\Dosstart.bat". "Partition Saving" can be automated through a configuration file. Then you just exit to Dos, and your batch handles it for you. Note:If you have prevented Windows from installing a Driver, for a specific USB, your BIOS PS2 Emulation may still work.

Alternatively, you could just have the batch swap out SYSTEM.DAT files. But that would mean any registry update, you saved, would need to be committed to each "hardware configuration" SYSTEM.DAT file. Another one of those, pick your poison things. Not that you would often need to save new registry setting, if the system was fairly complete in configuration. That is where making portable apps comes in handy. They also make new system setup handy. If they are homemade portable apps, you can just make sure to put them in the same location as when they where created; and done. The exception being software with VXD files, or anything that needs to be activated during Windows boot; this rather then at application execution.

I'm sure there are ways. For me, I would just disable GUI boot in MSDOS.SYS. Then you could use a Dos boot menu with options for different configurations. Each option would, by batch, modify your "active" hardware profile. It would do so by using the Dos registry tool. You could also ignore the profile and just modify which hardware needs to be enabled/disabled. An issue arises, if you have a machine without BIOS USB to Serial Keyboard emulation. The boot menu would do you no good. In that situation, you could load both a floppy and harddisk image. Transfer your MSDOS.SYS, CONFIG.SYS, and AUTOEXEC.BAT to the foppy image. The floppy would carry the batch for system configuration, or AUTOEXEC.BAT would run one on the Hardisk. But you would need a floppy image for each configuration. Then you could just use a bootloader with USB keyboard support.

Win98 installations support multiple hardware configurations. Is there a way to select pre-launch which will be used?

I thought of another option. You could use a USB add-on card or PCMCIA. Then you could have the bios booting USB host disabled in Windows. But the add-on USB would provide you with active USB support. It isn't pretty, but it would be easier.

What happens when you install the USB drivers for Windows? Booting Win98 from USB uses BIOS to provide the USB drive as drive C:. When you install USB drivers, it will cause problems. So, you could just never use USB. But if you have enough memory, - You could setup Win98se on the computer, drivers and all - Reduce it in size, unless you have a lot of memory - Create a harddrive img or vhd file large enough to hold your Windows install. - Use Virtualbox or something to make the harddrive image a system disk, using a Win98 floppy image. (Create one from your install, if you installed any update that modified MsDos 7 Boot files.) - Copy you Windows installation to the harddrive image. (Do not overwrite MsDos 7 boot files.) - Format your USB drive as FAT32. - Install Grub4Dos to the USB drive. - Then configure Grub4Dos to enable USB support and boot the Win98 harddrive image from memory. Every time you shutdown any changes will be lost. You can get around this by installing the HxD hex editor, and using it to copy the entire drive image to a new file. You do this "while" Windows is running. Then you swap the saved image with the new one you just created. You do this before shutdown or reboot. Some changes try to reboot Windows when they are finished. Like installing DirectX. Most of the time you are given a prompt, with an "OK" button. Run HxD and save the image before clicking the "OK" prompt. If you are given no prompt, you'll need to modify your harddrive boot image to start in Safe mode, on next boot. Then boot the harddrive image in VirtualBox or something. Finally, install whatever caused a reboot without prompting you first. As an additional tip, use or create portable applications. Also install those portable application to you USB drive, not the Windows harddrive image. That is, unless you have a huge amount of memory. You'll want to set a permanent drive letter for you USB drive, from the Drive's "Device Manager" properties. You'll probably want to move the default Windows and Dos temporary folders to a folder on the USB drive. Again, you'll want to assign a permanent drive letter to your USB drive You'll also have to decide if you want you Virtual memory enabled or not. It saves room on the harddrive image if you disable it. Drive C: will be running in "Dos Compatibility Mode". But it won't really matter. If you get a warning about your boot sector potentially being infected/corrupted, it is because you booted the image by it's partition and not as the drive. Nothing is wrong. Grub4Dos creates fake boot data to initiate the boot.

Very good!!!!! Finally some good news. Can't wait to see completed v3.1!!! Still, the big problems with v4 website are still not solved. The second most important WU website, after v6, imo. I'm gonna check if that v3.1 website is working on my W98 VM! Welp, for some reason, it redirects me to the 404 error, so i can't see it in the moment.

Nothing is currently complete, we won't make a guide until Windows Update is fully working

Hello everyone, since there is 52 pages about this topic, can someone summarize what was found about Windows Update V3, V4 and V5? Also, is there a tutorial about how to restore Windows Updates on Windows 9x? (there are some files here and there but nobody explain how to use them)

Happy New Year

We currently only can get it to work on w98. Also, this doesn't mean we can get all updates for 95. A lot of files are missing.

What you're seeing here is nothing more than custom drawn frame by the program displaying the help page. If you want Windows 7 theme on Windows 8.1, try this one: https://deviantart.com/damonkeyoncrack/art/Aero7-V2-for-Windows-8-8-1-429412929

Don't forget that there is always the option of using a virtual machine for Windows 8 or any other legacy OS.