nicolaasjan Posted February 11 Posted February 11 12 hours ago, j7n said: Something happened to Reddit literally just now. Loading has become slow on an old PC, it fetches about 800 requests and 30 MB to display 100 subscriptions. This is not a problem specifically with New Moon, as Opera 12 is also affected, but I have no other place to discuss old PC and old browser behavior. Seems like they have modernized "Old" reddit. https://i.imgur.com/9xL6uJh.png That's not `old.reddit.com` in the address bar. 🤔 I have the user script Reddit Old Redirect and the pages load quite fast here (but somehow I have not so many requests): (max download speed here ~10MB/s 🙁) 1
j7n Posted February 11 Posted February 11 I had selected to not use New Reddit in preferences. Apparently, now adding "old" to the address makes it faster again. Previously there was no difference, and I could get to the old reddit by following someone elses link without old. I see in the network log that it repeatedly loads the same things. And the scripts get processed again and again, causing the whole loading take about 1 minute. https://i.imgur.com/WUe9nev.png Scrolled down a bit, the same: https://i.imgur.com/cyP79MP.png I have talked to a couple websites in the outcome was just them saying to use modern stuff, so it is not really productive. 10 MB/s is the speed of fast ethernet, why the sad face, lol. The limitation as always is the load on the CPU from processing every piece,
nicolaasjan Posted February 11 Posted February 11 4 hours ago, j7n said: 10 MB/s is the speed of fast ethernet, why the sad face, lol. That's because I should be getting ~40MB/s. I'm connected here in a rather weird way via cable from the providers modem in the neighbouring house to my router and then via cable to my PC.
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 11 Posted February 11 4 hours ago, j7n said: 10 MB/s is the speed of fast ethernet, why the sad face, lol. The limitation as always is the load on the CPU from processing every piece, 12 minutes ago, nicolaasjan said: That's because I should be getting ~40MB/s. 10-40 MB/s sounds slow to me. But I had to learn something new... From here: https://www.techcalc.org/blog/mbps-vs-mbps-download-speed-explained My wireless fluctuates between 46 and 66 MB/s. So yeah, 10 on a wired is a definite sad face. 2
roytam1 Posted February 11 Author Posted February 11 longstanding misskey.io issue will be somewhat fixed in next build. 2
j7n Posted February 11 Posted February 11 10 MB/s is what I have and I am perfectly content with it, I could buy a replacemnt router with a gigabit port and get "up to" 300 Mbit, but I can't afford a decent mikrotik router. Only efficient old software can reach high speeds, not a web browser in typical use. 1
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 11 Posted February 11 11 minutes ago, j7n said: not a web browser in typical use We're veering off-topic, so I'll make this my closing remark. 10 is plenty for "browsing", per se. And having "fast internet" can sometimes cause more harm than good. I *intentionally* "throttle" my connection when streaming from my "tv provider" (I don't have a "tv", everything is streamed via computer or laptop). I "throttle" all the way down to 100 KB/s [so literally 1/100th of 10 MB/s] (I get buffer-lag at 75 KB/s but ZERO buffering issues at 100). This *forces* my "tv provider" to *STOP* sending me 4k resolution video streams! I have no use for 4k because it pegs my very old laptop's CPU at 100%. Why would I watch an hour or so here and there or an entire Sunday with the CPU pegged at 100% for the entire time? Would KILL this laptop in a matter of days. 100 KB/s seems to be perfect for 720p streaming "on the side" (more than fine for laptop display as "background" to real computer adjacently performing real tasks). That drops CPU to below 28%. 300 KB/s seems to be perfect if I want to "allow" my tv provider to send 1080p. At the expense of bumping the CPU up to around 35% and that's enough for the fan kicking up to a higher RPM occasionally. 2
roytam1 Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 New build of Serpent/UXP for XP! Test binary: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260214-3219d2d-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260214-3219d2d-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260214-3219d2d-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod-ia32.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32 NM28XP build: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260214-d849524bd-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod.7z Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260214-d849524bd-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod-ia32.7z Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260214-d849524bd-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod-sse.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260214-d849524bd-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod.7z Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260214-d849524bd-uxp-d72f3921f8-w7plus-avx2.7z Official UXP changes picked since my last build: - No issue - Enable performance observers by default in the platform. (432378b376) - Issue #2928 - Re-order imgLoader::RemoveFromCache (17338528b7) - Issue #2928 - Always refresh dirty queue. (15e076130d) - Issue #2928 - Avoid searching the image cache queue for an entry after we just popped it off the queue. (21f4ab5e02) - Issue #2928 - Improve imgLoader cache queue handling. (c5cc980506) - Issue #2928 - Add extra checks to nsExpirationTracker. (e99ed75382) - Issue #2932 - Ensure that imgRequestProxy::CancelAndForgetObserver removes itself from the cache validator (1078e45dd3) - Issue #2551 - Initial attempt at toSorted implementation (b8f6996928) - Issue #2551 - Ensure toSorted is 100% spec compliant per multiple tests (89e4711761) - Issue #2551 - Add toSorted test and do some final tweaks to toSorted to be compliant (68a5ed17c3) - Issue #2551 - comment toSorted implementation (6e0414ddb4) - No Issue - Remove redundant OS check for toolkit/fonts (4f821a5abb) - Issue #2909 - Base implementation of media interaction features. (5d989634a1) - Issue #2909 - Fix build issues when targeting Windows 7. (e801145319) - Issue #2229 - Initial implementation of top level await functionality (2e88bbe575) - Issue #2229 - add better comments on top level await code (903f228fa0) - Issue #2229 - Add comment regarding JIT to top level await code (d29f47f950) - Issue #2229 - Add top level await tests (112460fa84) - Issue #2229 Followup - Handle re-entrant module instantiation/evaluation during async module loads (6c67c6f665) - Issue #2229 - Fix debug builds when visiting pages that utilize top-level await (13a4a75cd0) - Issue #2229 - Fix assertions in top-level await on x86_64 (113300ac3f) No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build. No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build. My changes picked since my last build: - js-random: 32bit: reduce a push-pop pair (b69cdf1cd1) - widget: align AR_STATE with one in nsLookAndFeel (55c8858ba7) Update Notice: - You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases. * Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes. 6
roytam1 Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 New build of BOC/UXP for XP! Test binary: MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260214-40a79c75-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod.7z BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260214-40a79c75-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod.7z source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom * Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15. -- New build of HBL-UXP for XP! Test binary: IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260214-id-656ea98-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod.7z IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260214-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod.7z source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild 2
roytam1 Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 New build of post-deprecated Serpent/moebius for XP! * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual. ** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions. Test binary: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260214-42ff8496e-xpmod.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260214-42ff8496e-xpmod.7z repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55 Repo changes: - js-random: 32bit: reduce a push-pop pair (b6efa43a6) - import from UXP: No issue - Enable performance observers by default in the platform. (432378b3) (5f6603545) - import from UXP: Issue #2928 - Re-order imgLoader::RemoveFromCache (17338528) (5a29956e2) - import from UXP: Issue #2928 - Always refresh dirty queue. (15e07613) (d494d5dd0) - import from UXP: Issue #2928 - Avoid searching the image cache queue for an entry after we just popped it off the queue. (21f4ab5e) (d5277bcad) - ported from UXP: Issue #2928 - Improve imgLoader cache queue handling. (c5cc9805) (daa9648aa) - import from UXP: Issue #2928 - Add extra checks to nsExpirationTracker. (e99ed753) (9c328ddf4) - import from UXP: Issue #2932 - Ensure that imgRequestProxy::CancelAndForgetObserver removes itself from the cache validator (1078e45d) (742be73a0) - import from UXP: Issue #2551 - Initial attempt at toSorted implementation (b8f69969) (2942f9d0e) - import from UXP: Issue #2551 - Ensure toSorted is 100% spec compliant per multiple tests (89e47117) (571e619a6) - import from UXP: Issue #2551 - Add toSorted test and do some final tweaks to toSorted to be compliant (68a5ed17) (d7445e3f5) - import from UXP: Issue #2551 - comment toSorted implementation (6e0414dd) (2fe8a4b32) - ported from UXP: No Issue - Remove redundant OS check for fonts (4f821a5a) (5b811bcdc) - ported from UXP: Issue #2909 - Base implementation of media interaction features. (5d989634) (45f14cf11) - import from UXP: - Issue #2229 - Initial implementation of top level await functionality (2e88bbe5) - Issue #2229 - add better comments on top level await code (903f228f) - Issue #2229 - Add comment regarding JIT to top level await code (d29f47f9) - Issue #2229 - Add top level await tests (112460fa) (36bdb6efb) - import from UXP: Issue #2229 Followup - Handle re-entrant module instantiation/evaluation during async module loads (6c67c6f6) (3ff47ae95) - import from UXP: Issue #2229 - Fix debug builds when visiting pages that utilize top-level await (13a4a75c) (05c153304) - import from UXP: Issue #2229 - Fix assertions in top-level await on x86_64 (113300ac) (42ff8496e)
LordGarfio Posted February 15 Posted February 15 On 11/29/2025 at 2:36 AM, roytam1 said: this site uses await, which is filed in https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProductions/UXP/issues/2229 New Moon Version 28.10.7a1 (32-bit)(2026-02-13) palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260214-d849524bd-uxp-d72f3921f8-xpmod Excellent!!!. A good start, it now works at least partially.
modnar Posted February 16 Posted February 16 (edited) @roytam1 Wanting to get better performance with imgur.com site I followed inspiration and disabled devtools.performance.ui.enable-framerate. Please, tell me if this is advisable, because I am observing better browser (Serpent 52.9) performance (smoother scrolling and responsivness) on all "heavy" sites (and number of them increases). Upon further investigation I reset the upper variable and enabled memory.free_dirty_pages; it is not found even in Firefox 115.32.1 (Windblows 7), it's enabled by default. Update: Apparently I went out of bounds with these; restored to defaults: neither of these prove to be good for Serpent 52.9 (further slows down browsing). Edited February 19 by modnar Update
j7n Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Has the Cloudflare captcha become more complex again recently? On my computer it doens't complete in New Moon before the Stop Script dialog appears.
Guest raddy Posted February 18 Posted February 18 (edited) 10 hours ago, j7n said: Has the Cloudflare captcha become more complex again recently? On my computer it doens't complete in New Moon before the Stop Script dialog appears. Pentium-m, 512mb ram, 1-3 tabs - cf captcha passed without "stop script dialog" window. Edited February 18 by raddy
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 18 Posted February 18 11 hours ago, j7n said: Has the Cloudflare captcha become more complex again recently? On my computer it doens't complete in New Moon before the Stop Script dialog appears. The specific website(s) should probably be cited. Not "all" Cloudflare captchas are "the same". Even in MODERN Chrome/Chromium (not most-recent, but only 2 or 3 versions behind !!!) you can encounter Cloudflare ENDLESS LOOPS on website A but websites B thru Z all work perfectly fine. The Cloudflare on website A loops endlessly, UNSOLVABLE. But the Cloudflare on websites B thru Z all work perfectly fine. 1
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