StartAllBack for Windows 11

[sausje]

Hey Tihiy,

first of all, thanks for your app. Been using it since Win8 and very grateful you made it.

I recently updated from 3.7.11 (or something like that) to 3.8.4 after slacking on updating. Now however, the (dynamic) segmented taskbar I had on my second screen isn't working anymore, it's not segmented anymore. While the one on my main screen is working flawless. Is this a bug or a deliberate change?

Thanks in advance for your reply!

[George2005]

StartAllBack is a superior tool, thank you very much for it!

But for better user experience it could be great to allow users to change the corner shapes of top-level app windows. The default radius of rounded corners is 8 px (based on Windows 11 Geometry) which is too much, actually, as the Windows 7 should have got 5 pixels corner radius.

Could it by possible to use "DwmSetWindowAttribute function" for it? However I'm not sure if this function works for all kind of Windows (including UWP ones etc) or standard Win32 only. But if yes, applying the DWMWCP_ROUNDSMALL constant would change the rounded corner radius to 4 pixels only which would be so close to the Windows 7's 5 pixels corner radius and it would appear more nicely than default Windows 11's 8 pixels radius, IMHO. And for Windows 8.1/Windows 10 fans there would be possibility to disable rounded corners at all (appyling DWMWCP_DONOTROUND constant).

Please could you consider to add the feature mentioned above into your StartAllBack application? Thank you very much.

[Xao_Fan-Tzilin]

7 minutes ago, George2005 said:

Could it by possible to use "DwmSetWindowAttribute function" for it? However I'm not sure if this function works for all kind of Windows (including UWP ones etc) or standard Win32 only. But if yes, applying the DWMWCP_ROUNDSMALL constant would change the rounded corner radius to 4 pixels only which would be so close to the Windows 7's 5 pixels corner radius and it would appear more nicely than default Windows 11's 8 pixels radius, IMHO. And for Windows 8.1/Windows 10 fans there would be possibility to disable rounded corners at all (appyling DWMWCP_DONOTROUND constant).

Please could you consider to add the feature mentioned above into your StartAllBack application? Thank you very much.

Shame on you! A man is already loaded with all sorts of optional requirements, and your desire is more like whims.

[George2005]

11 minutes ago, Xao_Fan-Tzilin said:

Shame on you! A man is already loaded with all sorts of optional requirements, and your desire is more like whims.

I'm very sorry but I don't think so, actually, as the "competitive" Explorer Patcher has the possibility to "Disable rounded corners for application windows" ...

[mackid1993]

44 minutes ago, George2005 said:

I'm very sorry but I don't think so, actually, as the "competitive" Explorer Patcher has the possibility to "Disable rounded corners for application windows" ...

Enable Dark Magic and turn on Sharp Corners. SAB already supports this.

Run startallbackcfg.exe /magic from cmd.

[Ataemonus]

1 hour ago, mackid1993 said:

Enable Dark Magic and turn on Sharp Corners. SAB already supports this.

Run startallbackcfg.exe /magic from cmd.

This :

Edited August 19 by Ataemonus

[George2005]

Many many thanks to mackid1993 & Ataemonus for information about "Dark Magic" mode of SAB to turn on Sharp Corners! You are the best!

[George2005]

On 8/14/2024 at 10:40 PM, mackid1993 said:

No it is no longer supported. The taskbar has been rewritten for 24H2 due to Microsoft's removal and neither SAB nor Explorer Patcher support this any longer.

It's very sad for me to learn that 7+ Taskbar Tweaker is no longer working with SAB   For many many years I've used it to disable the grouping of the taskbar buttons of the same application so it allows me to drag the taskbar buttons freely and independently regardless the original group (e.g. multiple instances of Google Chrome) - please see picture (it's SAB 3.7.11 & 7+TT 5.15.2):

But now with SAB 3.8.4 it's no longer possible:

 

So I would like to ask, if it could be possible to ungroup the Taskbar buttons of the same application either directly by SAB or any other way. Thank you!

[sana]

On 8/18/2024 at 6:01 PM, Tihiy said:

Not reproducing

It seems to get worse the longer you have your PC (or explorer) on. After explorer restart it doesnt happen for a while.

 

Actually only took like half an hour of explorer uptime to reproduce with the steps listed before, but it didint work immediately after explorer restart

 

After another explorer restart it was reproducible right away so I don't know what's going on. It should be reproducible with the steps

Edited August 19 by sana

[mertsoy]

On 8/14/2024 at 8:09 PM, mackid1993 said:

I saw in his post history that he requested support for OLED pixel shift on the taskbar. That is in his post history and not deleted. I would guess that request was ignored because it is very much outside of the scope of what SAB is trying to do and he must have asked again. I can't confirm that because the post was deleted but I'm not surprised if it was if he kept asking and then got aggressive. There's no place to be rude to the developer, especially when asking for a highly niche feature that most users won't take advantage of. 

I'm not requesting for OLED pixel shift on the taskbar man, I'm asking for bigger width open app icon indicator on the taskbar. What's in my post history is a long-winded explanation as to why I'm asking for larger width of indicators for open apps, the ones deleted were more to the point. You still haven't responded to why it is considered normal for my posts to be removed, and you should know that I wasn't rude to the developer. And also, bigger width open app indicators have been asked, some even recently in few pages, apart from me which goes to show it is not a niche feature.  Why have you become the arbiter of what is niche and what is not, what is okay to ask etc.?

[mackid1993]

5 hours ago, mertsoy said:

I'm not requesting for OLED pixel shift on the taskbar man, I'm asking for bigger width open app icon indicator on the taskbar. What's in my post history is a long-winded explanation as to why I'm asking for larger width of indicators for open apps, the ones deleted were more to the point. You still haven't responded to why it is considered normal for my posts to be removed, and you should know that I wasn't rude to the developer. And also, bigger width open app indicators have been asked, some even recently in few pages, apart from me which goes to show it is not a niche feature.  Why have you become the arbiter of what is niche and what is not, what is okay to ask etc.?

Good luck getting your feature implemented with that attitude. 😂

[Swurs]

Hi there. I'm not overly informed on how the program itself works, however I'm having issues for a while now where recently used programs are appearing in the start menu with the setting turned off. Windows settings reflect this, however startallback seems to be reverting the setting on shutdown/startup which leads to some amount of frustration.

I've tried a clean install but end up with the same issue, any idea on how to rectify?

[kitcat]

Start Menu X not working in version 3.8.x, works fine in version 3.7.11. Anyone have any suggestions, thanks.

[Gangula]

Hi everyone.

Just upgraded from 3.7.7 to 3.8.4. I guess that the big rework done in v3.8 changed something relevant to my use case.

I'm a "weekend programmer" at best and I have created long time ago a "replacement" for start menu for myself (kind of a dashboard that suits my needs and ways of working). Essentially, I've been intercepting the "clicks" on the Start button and displaying a form I created instead of the Windows Start menu.

With Windows 11 that stopped working because of the modification they did on the whole taskbar area. While looking at different tools to customize Windows 11 Start menu and taskbar, I realized StartAllBack actually made it possible for me to continue using this application again.
It seems it was exposing "the right" "handle" again that Windows 11 "reworked" and removed (which was available in Windows 10 and Windows 7).

With version 3.8 my app stopped working. Probably the rework that was necessary on SAB affected also the existence/availability of the mentioned "handle".
This is probably question for @Tihiy. Would it be possible for SAB to bring back the possibility to intercept Start menu calls via the following messages?
 

if (code == HC_ACTION && wParam)
    {
        MSG* msg = (MSG*)lParam;
        if (msg->message == WM_SYSCOMMAND && (msg->wParam & 0xFFF0) == SC_TASKLIST)
        {
            HookMsg info;
            info.lParam = lParam;
            info.wParam = wParam;
            info.nCode = code;
            ...

 

I see a mention in the previous post (by kitcat) that Start Menu X stopped working with SAB. I believe it would be for the same reason as it probably hooks into the same handle.

Thank you very much in advance!

 

One more question. Is SAB controlling the display of the list of open windows for an application icon in the taskbar? It seems that the width of the list is now dramatically smaller.
Thanks!

[Tihiy]

27 minutes ago, Gangula said:

With version 3.8 my app stopped working. Probably the rework that was necessary on SAB affected also the existence/availability of the mentioned "handle".
This is probably question for @Tihiy. Would it be possible for SAB to bring back the possibility to intercept Start menu calls via the following messages?

Nothing changed around that. I guess more code is needed