vinifera Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 err doing tests in VM are... like what the hell... do it on real machine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsenellenelvian Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The bad news is making its way around the tech press:Windows 10 uninstalling user programs without permissionIt’s one thing for Microsoft to force updates on Windows 10 users, but another to choose what programs are and aren’t allowed on the host system.[...][update] I reached out to Microsoft for an official statement and... there isn't one. Microsoft has declined to comment on this story, which means it isn't a bug, and Windows 10 can and will remove third-party programs from your PC or tablet if it decides to, and without asking you first. Ouch.Hmm, under the "beautiful mansion" analogy of Windows 10, I suppose this means that when the contractor renovates your home (sends out a new build), he assigns himself the right to remove your perfectly working furniture and appliances at his own discretion.--JorgeAHow is this legal? Shouldn't other companies be suing because MS is deleting their apps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 ^^ That's a good question. I'd be surprised if there were a contract or agreement somewhere between Microsoft and third-party software vendors, that gave Microsoft the right to uninstall third-party programs at will. --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Dedoimedo does a nice (but brief) hands-on comparison of the new Settings app and the regular Control Panel, using the Autoplay function as an example: Windows 10 & Control Panel - Going away? If you ask users what they prefer, they might get confused for a moment and let emotions take over. In that case, they might tell you they prefer the former or latter not because it makes them smarter or more productive, but simply because they like it, they are used to doing things a certain way, they find it more visually appealing. All good points. But we should really focus on the fundamental question of efficiency. Will the new Settings Menu allow Windows users the same kind of access, freedom and tweakability of the core system functions that the Control Panel does? Will it allow them to achieve the results with as few clicks or ticks as the outgoing model? ...Autoplay used to be all about media AND devices, and media isn't mentioned anywhere. Still, if you somehow figure this out, you still need a third mouse click to open the Autoplay menu and make the necessary changes. Then, rather than having a complete control over various types of media, your ability to tweak is restricted to just two rather simple and dumb categories - removable drives and memory cards. In technical parlance, this is called: regression. This is stupid and silly and pointless. And now, you can begin to understand why power users are rebelling against the change. Not because they don't want to embrace change,* it's because they don't want to embrace stupidity. Very simple.* There's that phrase again. My emphasis. --JorgeA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dencorso Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 One must understand this actually is a brave new world: for now, we´ve already got a continually involutionary OS (viz. Win 10)... underflowing beer glasses should be the next step, logically! Then again, better not start holding your breaths too soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drugwash Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 ^^ That's a good question. I'd be surprised if there were a contract or agreement somewhere between Microsoft and third-party software vendors, that gave Microsoft the right to uninstall third-party programs at will. --JorgeAWhy would you be surprised? Do you think hardware manufacturers stopped providind Win9x/2000/XP drivers for newer hardware simply on a whim? They always are in agreement and they never care about the end user as long as they know there will be income.Microsoft has to go, forever. Or there will be no more computing for the average user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsenellenelvian Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 ^^ That's a good question. I'd be surprised if there were a contract or agreement somewhere between Microsoft and third-party software vendors, that gave Microsoft the right to uninstall third-party programs at will.--JorgeAWhy would you be surprised? Do you think hardware manufacturers stopped providind Win9x/2000/XP drivers for newer hardware simply on a whim? They always are in agreement and they never care about the end user as long as they know there will be income.Microsoft has to go, forever. Or there will be no more computing for the average user.That's the rub here. Most of the reported apps that are being removed are free ones like cpu-z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drugwash Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The more reason to shoot Microsoft in the head without trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 do it on real machine For what it's worth, I've measured both on hardware and virtually. The numbers are consistent either way. The OS efficiency is what governs the results. -Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TELVM Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Windows 10 & Control Panel - Going away? "... If someone said your IQ needs to be reduced by two thirds to satisfy the marketing agenda of a large corporation, would you play ball? ..." "... We the nerds will find a way. We always do. But we won't let regressions take over ..." ^ Epic! ... * There's that phrase again ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpdesk98 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 the Settings Panel looks similar to the one on Mac OS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 ^^ So that's yet another thing they copied (imitated) from Apple? I'm going to have to check it out. --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 In a PC World review of big Black Friday tech deals, one of the items had this little tidbit in the description: [...]If you choose to skip the free Windows 10 upgrade, the downside is a Windows 8.1 tablet cannot take advantage of Microsoft’s universal apps. So these "Universal" apps aren't quite so universal... ...not that you'd have much use for any of 'em, anyway. --JorgeA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formfiller Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) (they probably integrated telemetry into the OS at a kernel level)This is a really good possibility. Telemetry is one of the best things about Windows 10. Microsoft can't use telemetry right. Telemetry should be withheld from MS for their own advantage. Microsoft's though process regarding telemetry is flat out from the loony bin: "People spend most of their time in the living room - so let's remove the toilet". According to MS, telemetry was the reason for the lack of start button start menu in Windows 8.According to MS, telemetry was the reason for the start button in Windows 8.1. http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1266560-windows-10-you-cant-disable-reporting-errors-back-to-microsoft-and-wheres-network-config-options-for-setup/ So I've just installed windows 10, and a few things have managed to ###### me off thus far; In the setup screen, it will automatically use DHCP for your network - there is absolutely no option to change this to a static IP until you've booted to windows and done the pre-complete updates, so this really negates the point of installing updates before putting you into the OS if you can't do something as simple as configure your **** network card. The OS atrocities (W8 etc.) happened after the extensive data minings started. Just by telemetry you won't get any good product. I don't uninstall programs often, but removing the uninstall function would be a catastrophe. But Microsoft is operating on exactly that premise (most networks are on DHCP, so let's remove any other options etc.) and this leads to just retarded results at the end. Telemetry is dooming Microsoft. Edited November 30, 2015 by Formfiller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripredacus Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 When was the last time Windows let you set a static IP in OOBE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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