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Windows 98 crashes if SATA drive is present

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I currently have a P4 with two drives: a 10GB IDE for Windows 98, and a 80GB SATA one where I intend to install Windows 2000.

Even though the computer boots normally when I turn it on without the SATA drive, when I connect the SATA drive, Windows 98 detects a new IDE controller (fifo) and then crashes, and I can't proceed as it halts the system and I have to reset.

Is there a way to fix this?

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Is the SATA bus/device (in the BIOS) set to "SATA" (or "AHCI") or in "IDE compatibility mode" (or similar)?

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Is the SATA bus/device (in the BIOS) set to "SATA" (or "AHCI") or in "IDE compatibility mode" (or similar)?

jaclaz

It is set to SATA, not compatible mode. Because the setup is: One IDE drive, one SATA drive, one IDE CD-RW and one IDE DVD. If I set to compatibility mode, I would disable one of those.

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It is set to SATA, not compatible mode. Because the setup is: One IDE drive, one SATA drive, one IDE CD-RW and one IDE DVD. If I set to compatibility mode, I would disable one of those.

And you find it "queer" that Windows 98 has issues with that? :unsure:

As my good friend Mr.Spock would say:

Fascinating...

See if any of these help you:

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/149743-question-about-using-a-sata-drive-with-windows-98se/

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/172569-sata-installation/

http://reboot.pro/topic/2384-alter-group-universal-ata-driver-for-windows-nt351nt42000xp/

It is entirely possible that a specific "manufacturer" driver for your motherboard exists, you need to post the EXACT details of the hardware involved.

jaclaz

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It is set to SATA, not compatible mode. Because the setup is: One IDE drive, one SATA drive, one IDE CD-RW and one IDE DVD. If I set to compatibility mode, I would disable one of those.

And you find it "queer" that Windows 98 has issues with that? :unsure:

As my good friend Mr.Spock would say:

Fascinating...

See if any of these help you:

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/149743-question-about-using-a-sata-drive-with-windows-98se/

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/172569-sata-installation/

http://reboot.pro/topic/2384-alter-group-universal-ata-driver-for-windows-nt351nt42000xp/

It is entirely possible that a specific "manufacturer" driver for your motherboard exists, you need to post the EXACT details of the hardware involved.

jaclaz

 

 

no, I am not finding it weird, it is expected. I don't even want to acess the SATA drive. I was just asking if there is a way to disable the SATA drive on Windows 98 so it is not detected and proceed with the normal boot process

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Maybe go into Safe Mode, and try to disable the IDE controller which is the SATA controller.

Or go to registry and try to delete/disable it manually.

Or try the NOIDE stuff.

 

Links for reference:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/151911

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff549538%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

Edited by MrMateczko

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Two things. First it is hard to tell exactly from the first post but it is worded as if you are connecting the SATA drive after the computer is turned on. Is this true or do you connect it prior to turning on the PC?

 

Second is that you can get an internal drive enclosure that has the ability to remove or undock a SATA drive. I know this would be more of a manual process but it could work for you. The one I have is this, although there are certainly other ones out there:

http://www.istarusa.com/istarusa/products.php?model=T-7-SA

If I don't want the drive detected, I just unlock it. The lock mechanism works in such a way that it will push the internal enclosure outwards from the bay itself, which will disconnect the drive from the SATA connection. You don't even need to take the drive out.

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Could you just disable the SATA Drive (set to "None" or something similar)? You may still get the SATA Controller showing.

:unsure: (Shot in the dark...)

 

But it "seems" to be that it's the the SATA Drive that's causing the headache but the fact that you're picking up the SATA Controller.

 

And I fully agree with jaclaz. You're giving no specifics. Some MoBo's require 1+3 / 2+4 SATA in Legacy (PATA) Mode, so it may be you simply have "something" connected wrong.

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I have several installations running with "incompatible" SATA controllers (ICH7-10 come to mind, but there are many more). Usually i install W98, including the more or less working drivers for the not-to-be-used controllers, then i disable the associated ports in device manager (you know, like the "single channel fifo-stuff), and only THEN i connect the sata drives for further installation of other OSes. If the controllers don't get a driver as they are "unknown devices" (show up in "yellow question mark area"), you're good to go as well. To be sure, you can deactivate those devices there as well (an overlooked fact), just in case an undesired driver gets into the system later on. Unlikely, maybe, but why take chances? :)

 

This way the sata drives stay invisible to the system, and the systems does not lock up.

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My SATA Patch eliminates these issues and lets SATA Drives be recognized by Windows 9x.

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