@vcBlackBox Here ya go, the info.......... Useing XP PRO, SP-2,RyanVM's full update pack v1.21, nLited down to 160mb, then adding 400mb of progies and drivers... Real time install, got one error with ReDist ver, "unable to register NEROPLUGIN.dll..." kept Burning Rom, toolkit, express(just pushed "enter" on Express but still installed), 19+mb. Used installed ReDist ver to burn an ISO no problems.......... I don't use any plugins.....if you need any thing else let me know............ thanks again BD