first off thanks to "edomais" his simple, but effective post fixed my problem!!!! I have promise 20276 raid\ata controller I can get raid to install without f6 via RyanVM method but not the ata, why do I care, bootup time reg ide, 109sec, ata 34sec and cable switching... RyanVM has sent me many drivers to try we finally gave up and I settled for the raid working. Saw edomais's post and tried it and WOW it works, and so simple; In winnt.sit OemPnPDriversPath="Drivers\006_IDE;" Then $Oem$\$1\Drivers\006_IDE\TXTSETUP.OEM,your.sys,your.inf,your.cat no f6, just let her go..... any way as everone says here,"It worked for me" and thank you "edomais" try it and post back here if you want bonedaddy EDIT I forgot to mention I still use RyanVM's method I just add to his and over write the sys inf and cat files