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That's because many users (myself included) *PREFER* to paste images into our replies *INSTEAD OF* having them "hosted" on third-party websites. But when we RUN OUT OF ROOM, we have to DELETE them so that we can PASTE into other replies. I will *ALWAYS* do it that way, I will not jump through the hoops of having them "hosted" on third-party websites. (edit: not all forums have such a tiny space, I have other forums with NO LIMIT AT ALL, just keep pasting and they reside there "forever") "To each their own", of course. There are pros and cons to both. Pasting into a reply is *EASY* but also *not* forever. "Hosting" the image is "forever" but NOT ALL COUNTRIES will be able to view them, depending on host site.

True, I do not know if client hints are the real culprit. I only know that UA is *not*, that CH is *not*, and that both combined are *not*. FALSE, I do not now, nor have I ever, relied on "research" of any kind from ANY member herein that begins with a *D*. That is your obcession, not mine!

Your guess is as good as anyone's. Where we are at now, I'm kind of "expecting" a 404 when visiting MSFN. I'm kind of disappointed that it hasn't happened yet. Sarcastic. But not really.

That's actually reassuring. The over-time count is more important than a "real-time" count. I am suprised that it isn't "real-time". But what that does tell us is that all of our *FAKE* MEMBERS with a "0 count" for SIX MONTHS are indeed *** FAKE *** accounts - *axe 'em all !!! without prejudice*

But hey, it does show that this thread is already on page 5.

Wow! 281 MB for an Android casino/mahjong app!?

Regarding Google's Core Update, I do personally think that Google should have had some sort of "advance notice" to forum owners, some form of "Warning: You are about to be de-indexed because of your LACK OF PATCHING SECURITY HOLES and your web site's SIX MONTHS AND COUNTING quantities of the "Japanese/Thai Keyword Hack". But: 1) is that really fair, would Google have had to send a notice to ONE web site or one MILLION web sites?, and 2) IT WOULD NOT HAVE MADE ONE D@MN BIT OF DIFFERENCE, our owner (in my opinion) would have done NOTHING differently... *NOTHING* !!!

And I *support* that! But no, I do *not* support that. But I really don't think that's what this COMPLEX issue can be MINIMIZED to. In a black and white world, there are sh#tloads of "gray" (or "grey", if you prefer).

My conclusion differs slightly: 1) Google CARES about their "reputation" being visually impaired by "spam results" 2) Google CARES about their consumer by NOT feeding them "spam results" 3) MSFN does NOT CARE... Period... "No answer IS an answer." The Google Bot is doing what EVERY FORUM OWNER *KNOWS* that it IS DESIGNED TO DO, it hasn't done anything here "in secret". LET THAT HAMMER STRIKE, in my not-so-humble-opinion. FORCE the OWNER to spend donations on the SERVER instead of "home repairs" or "groceries". Just paraphrasing, of course.

Although, having said that, that is one of my biggest gripes with Cloudflare. I've NEVER had an ONLINE BANK ACCESS request ANY form of "captcha". And only ONE of my billpay sites. ONE. Biggest pain in the arse website I've ever had to historically deal with.

Agreed. But I submit this - go to your BANK'S website. I guarantee they say that the minimum is the LATEST and/or the CURRENT. I just did that for my current bank and my previous two banks, all three use the exact word of THE LATEST as being their "minimum". Granted, I would do that to if I was the department creating those online documents. By saying THE LATEST, you NEVER have to update that document!

Agreed. Took three years of Latin in High School. I'm going to contact my teacher and tell her it is *NOT* a "dead language", lol.

AGREED !!! KEEP IT UP !!! 1) members get to know Astro the "worker bee" 2) members get to witness the total lack of "management" by our OWNER (seriously, request a REFUND if you've ever "donated"!) Granted, maybe there is a third: 3) "Sorry guys, I've been held up in the hospital, I am back now and I will fix this, this is a SERIOUS matter and I take FULL RESPONSIBILITY in letting you all down."

While we all "hate" Cloudflare, one does have to admit that they are *GREAT* at "what they do", they really are! Those types of suggestions to prevent challenge issues always have something like this: And if you look into "supported by Turnstile" documents, you will find this: That's it, only TWO previous major versions. TWO !!! So yeah, Supermium is EXTREMELY outdated if we want to go by those "requirements".

I have seen that and many like that. No help in my case. My city utilities billbay has more locks than FORT KNOX (kind of a USA slang phrase). All I can really assume at this stage is that certain servers across the country receive Cloudflare "updates" BEFORE other servers. The infinite loops that happen on my city utilities billpay EVENTUALLY occur on Google Search also, but usually about THREE WEEKS later.

I'm not sure about here at MSFN because I've only observed this effect on other forums AFTER it was no longer "counting" properly here at MSFN. Other forums have a "one count" for folks not logged in and a "two count" for folks that are logged in. I've seen that on forums that "count" how many times an attached image is "viewed". Forum software of all kinds seems to have their own set of flaws (ie, a thread that is counted differently than the images posted inside that thread).

AGREED! Keep tooting that horn, LOUD AND PROUD. I have no problems in doing the same! One of TWO things will happen: 1) the OWNER gets off his a-s-s and *ALL* members, silent or otherwise, stand and applaud, or 2) you and I will be banned and *ALL* members will witness how we were banned for wanting nothing more than some level of ACCOUNTABILITY Speaking of ACCOUNTABILITY, shouldn't *ANYBODY* that has ever DONATED to MSFN kind of request a **REFUND** at this point ??? It is clear that server-level "maintenance" has been outright IGNORED for *at least* six months. I mean, as LOUD as we have already been, we haven't been told to "Please step aside, we are aware of the situation, we ADMIT our role in the cause-and-effect that unfolded, we are fixing this." Rather, NOTHING, a downright and absolute NOTHING. *No answer IS an answer.*

Agreed! But all of this recent "stuff" DOES have me wondering just where MSFN would be if AI was doing the "grunt work" INSTEAD of an "owner"? I kind of am left with "Well, AI could *NOT* have done any WORSE and it might have actually PREVENTED the current predicament."

AGREED. But remember, not all Cloudflare capcha's are "identical". The one for my city utilites goes into an ENDLESS LOOP for SUPERMIUM v144, Chrome v144, and Chromium v144. But yet that is the "newest" we have for SUPERMIUM. Supermium CAN pass the Cloudflare capcha offered up by BING if I want an AI-generated javascript kick-in-the-right-direction. But it can NOT pass the Cloudflare capcha to pay my city utilities.

Agreed. But this isn't really anything "new". What we call "AI programming" has been around for a long time. While OT herein, I cite the industry that I work in. The "programming" for your car's onboard "computer" is a helluva lot of "AI programming". From airbag deployment "logic" to school bus "traction control". Computers write a great deal of "code" that only is "reviewed" by Engineering, not actually "written" by Engineering.

You have OVERPLAYED that card! And I say that with respect! The issue was Supermium not passing Cloudflare (edit: not the crx topic, but the Cloudflare topic!) and all of that discussion that rolled out was ON-TOPIC. PERIOD.

Me personally, I'll go down with the ship! Not because I'm some Pirate Captain making Good Booty and loyal to the ship but because I'm the cheap labor traveling for free because somebody has to "scrub the deck". I do not "donate" to anything without a public accounting of the "inlays and outlays".

Agreed! My *PREDICTION* - we will see one of those "donate now or MSFN will have to shut down" threads in the very near future. We've seen it before, it's just around the corner, we (the members) are going to have to PAY FOR THIS one way or the other.

Astro, that is absolutely freakin' AWESOME !!! Still (to me) ALL AT THE FEET OF THE OWNER, but sure, if we want to place that blame "somewhere in between", I guess I can 'live with that'. And (to me) I'm still EXTREMELY "glass half empty" in thinking that said OWNER really even CARES to the extent of having to do such "removals" to FIX THIS SH#THOLE. Great work though in coming up with an ANSWER to all of this that the owner and at least one of the admins DOES KNOW but doesn't think ALL OF US should know. I kind of think that's where we are at now, THEY KNOW that THEIR LAZINESS is what caused all of this. I cited LONG AGO that I felt they weren't keeping up with patching security holes and also LONG AGO that I suspected all of the FAKE ACCOUNTS were somehow TIED TO THIS. Great Work !!! Love the write-up / conclusion / summary.

Here's an example, this CHEAP and USELESS "user agent switcher" does change the user agent. BUT... the Client Hints still tell SMART people (like CLOUDFLARE !!!) that this isn't Firefox 33, it is Chrome/Chromium 144. User Agents really are *USELESS* in this day and age. Doesn't mean to not "try" spoofing your user agent, BUT IT WILL NOT FOOL "SMART" COMPANIES (like Cloudflare).