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  1. Most likely NO! https://github.com/e3kskoy7wqk/Chromium-for-windows-7-REWORK/issues/6#issuecomment-4101818115
  2. <disregard previous statement. e3k is both faster by score *and* faster by duration of test.> <granted, this also compares v144 to v150 because those are the most recent of both forks> <I personally like e3k *way more* than Supermium. BUT... I would also call it more of a "gut feeling" than a "scientific justification".> <Plus, in my readings throughout the 'net, there are DOZENS of forks that REFERENCE e3k as their "base" and *NONE* that reference Supermium as their "base".> Here is my Supermium test result: Here is my e3k test result:
  3. I really need a screencap'd example. I consider PROXOMITRON "old technical knowledge" and Google Search has ZERO problems in PROPERLY indexing PROXOMITRON. BUT... Eureka! Yeah, while not "Siamese", there is that "odd looking" red-arrow result! I searched several of what I would consider "old technical knowledge", none of the others did this (the red-arrow result). So okay, I'll give credence to the Google Blame. But it still does not trump (card game slang) placing 100% blame upon any forum owner befallen to such.
  4. BUT... as far as I can tell, it's the **ONLY** victim! Which (until proven otherwise) is why I *FULLY* blame the forum OWNER. I have NEVER witnessed this type of "Siamese results" since being brought up on computers in the early EIGHTIES. So I've basically been on the internet "since day one". What we have happening here, to the best of my knowledge, has NEVER happened to any other forum. I kind of do not like to "divide" blame. I don't see it as 20% to the Siamese hacker, 10% to all members not seeking "better management" by the OWNER, 10% to all members just sitting idly by, 29% to Google Search, and 31% to the forum owner. I myself place all 100% on the forum owner. I would totally flip blame from forum owner to Google Search *IF* (and only if) somebody provides a screencap of those types of results (Siamese) for *ANY* other forum. But since (to the best of my knowledge) this has hit ***OO NN LL YY*** MSFN, then I cannot (in good faith) blame Google Search (they are PROTECTING their "BRAND", as *any* business SHOULD).
  5. My last word on this: Apologies, we are all entitled to our own World View, THIS ALL FALLS SQUARELY ON THE FORUM OWNER. At the stage we are at now, I kind of "fully support" the NON-EXISTENCE of MSFN. The OWNER is running a FAILED BUSINESS MODEL. You have your view, I have mine. AGREE TO DISAGREE. BUT... That is NOT me taking Google's "side". That is me "wanting" a forum owner HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO HIS SHORTCOMINGS in this matter. edit: that said, *IF* there was evidence of Google doing this to another site similar to MSFN, then (and only then) would I jump onto your bandwagon. But from what I have seen throughout my history of being an MSFN member, this all is a "failed business model", a model that *DID* work in the past. But business models must evolve when the industry that the business resides within evolves.
  6. No disagreement here! I *agree*. Just saying, I kind of think that the algorithm is doing what it is "designed to do". Everything else (like have a member list that MEANS SOMETHING, none of those "fake accounts" cluttering the 'statistics') is nothing more than a "the buck stops here" philosophy. That buck lands squarely on the forum OWNER. Not Google. I don't place ANY "blame" in all of this on Google. The buck stops at the forum OWNER. The "donations" section of MSFN isn't as clear as the Members List, but it kind of looks like ZERO DONATIONS since January. I am *NOT* saying that Google (and the like) are "innocent" in all of this. But I also really do think that the algorithm is doing EXACTLY what it was DESIGNED to do. NO NEW MEMBERS IN SIX MONTHS. That really does tell me everything I need to know. Me personally, I don't want those Siamese results! And if I *owned* the algorithm, INCLUDING them cuts into the "brand reputation". "I'm not going to use Google anymore, all it ever does is feed me fake Siamese results." So yeah, Google all but *HAS TO* fine tune the "algorithm" to PREVENT that "loss of client base". I'm not on Google's side here !!! But I also have to look at it UNBIASED from the view of "I love MSFN, I hate any search engine that doesn't share that love!"
  7. To further that Devil's Advocate take on things, if I were a "globally reknown" search engine, WHY WOULD I INCLUDE SUCH A LOW-TRAFFIC RESULT ??? The "algorithm" seems to be DOING ITS JOB, if you ask me. MSFN is *NOT* a "high traffic" website, it really is just a bunch of OLD MEMBERS that just TALK TO THEMSELVES. We haven't had any NEW MEMBERS for **SIX MONTHS** !!! So yeah, if I ran a "search engine", I would have been demoting MSFN each and every month for the past SIX MONTHS. And at month SIX, yeah, I'd remove it from the "list of results" ENTIRELY. Again, MSFN is *dead*. It really is! No new members for six months, just a CRAPLOAD of *FAKE* members with ZERO "posts". The "algorithm" is basically doing what I myself would do if I "owned" that algorithm.
  8. Another Devil's Advocate way of looking at this is that this has been happening for THREE MONTHS. And we have all been continuing to visit at our normal rate! ie, NONE OF US HAVE LEFT (I actually think we "should", but yet I'm still here also!). I've always been skeptic of the effectiveness of "boycotts", but are not *all of us* telling the owner that this "issue" is a *non-issue* for the CURRENT MEMBERS ??? We are all still here, afterall. BUT... Now the flipside. Look at the MEMBERS LIST and sort it by "Joined". This website *always* has had (past tense!) "NEW" members each and every month spanning DECADES. Yeah, many of these aren't really "real" people, but I still request you to look at that LIST. We haven't had any "new" members since JANUARY. And NONE from January have a "post count" higher than ZERO. Look deeper. None of our DECEMBER 2025 "new" members have a "post count" higher than ZERO. Keep going. NOVEMBER 2025's "new" members only has FOUR members (out of 82 !!!) with an actual "post count". You can read into this what you want. TO ME, this all says that MSFN is ***DEAD*** and the *only* people that still visit/post kind of do so more out of "habit" than anything. Myself included. MSFN hasn't really been what we all knew it to be *ALL OF THIS YEAR*. It has been reduced to a very small number of members, NO NEW MEMBERS, that just keep "talking to ourselves". I really do think that the "owner" is just content with "as-is" and DOESN'T CARE that we technically don't have NEW MEMBERS that CONTRIBUTE. Not since last NOVEMBER. How can the owner not have NOTICED THAT? It can't be JUST ME that has noticed that! Don't believe me? Take a look for yourself -- https://msfn.org/board/search/?type=core_members&sortby=joined&sortdirection=desc And look through the first several "pages" of that "new members" sorted by "joined date". MSFN IS *DEAD* !!!
  9. Call it what you want, no skin off my back. To me, that sounded like a violation of forum rules! But I am MAN ENOUGH to "let it slide". Bottom line, TO ME, is that I view all of this as a "the buck stops here" and I point to the FORUM OWNER as where that "buck stops". I really do, as superficial and depthless as it may sound, BLAME THE FORUM OWNER and not Google or Microsoft or Bing or even AstroSkipper. The buck stops at THE FORUM OWNER, nothing more, nothing less, to this "superficial and shallow" BYSTANDER. And yeah, again, I'll let that one slide, but it really is walking RIGHT UP to the "line in the sand" of VIOLATING forum rules. In the end, it's not gonna matter, we may be at the very initial stages of MSFN *ceasing to exist*. But what do I know, I'm just superficial and shallow. Pfft.
  10. Perhaps. NOT knowing the details of how all this works and unfolded, all I can see is that it TOOK TWO TO TANGO. ONE person did the hacking/spamming/shenanigans. And ONE website owner that was unable to prevent it. So let's just start picking them all off one by one. The hacker WON. The website owner LOST. So let's tell tell the hacker what forum to take down next.
  11. Those "spam redirects" were brought to our attention in FEBRUARY. If you ask me, we should consider ourselves "lucky" that all of those search engines didn't remove MSFN results WAY BACK IN FEBRUARY. We can blame Google and Microsoft all we want (that is an "easy" blame-game that we have all played over the years). But if you ask me, the "first domino" was LACK OF SECURITY PROTECTIONS, the second domino was those "spam redirects", the third domino was the OWNER of MSFN "unable" to patch the security hole that ENABLED those "spam redirects", the last and final domino is the search engines left with no other choice than having to remove *ALL* search results because the MAJORITY of the results were now SPAM REDIRECTS and not REAL "url results". We can blame any single one of those dominoes. But the "first" seems more important "blame" than the "last", in my opinion.
  12. There is the other way to look at it, and it is just as valid. The OWNER of MSFN has not (or can not!) "fix" the 'hack redirects' being discussed in that thread I directed you to, that those have been getting WORSE and WORSE since they were first brought to our attention, that the OWNER of MSFN has just ACCEPTED that as "it is what it is", and all of those search engines removed MSFN from their results AS A RESULT of the OWNER of MSFN not being able to "fix" those 'hack redirects'. CAUSE AND EFFECT.
  13. Also, YouTube's "certificate" algorithm is ECC (Elliptic Curve Cryptography). Windows XP (and IE8) does ***NOT*** support ECC natively. ECC is Vista and higher. So unless you are doing something to address that LACK OF SUPPORT in XP, then YouTube is not going to work.
  14. Your two YouTube screencaps are *NOT* both visiting the SAME website. One is visiting http youtube, the other is visitng httpS youtube. In this day and age, NOBODY should EVER be visiting ANY website *without* that S. Sure, somebody is going to come along with an EXCEPTION to that RULE, but generally speaking NEVER VISIT http, ALWAYS visit httpS.
  15. I agree. I do not use Google on a regular basis. I don't, and never have. All I know is that a member was discussing his Google results and so I did a search for "MSFN Start Is Back" and the results **DID** find MSFN. I am not advocating for Google here, I do not use Google, all I can do is report the facts as they unfold. And what is unfolding TODAY is *NOT* identical to what unfolded a week ago. We *ARE* further down that drain today then we were yesterday. *Fact!* I feel like you are twisting my words, I AM ON YOUR SIDE in this discussion.
  16. I agree TODAY. But this is actually NEW news. A week ago when I posted that, you **COULD** do a Google search for "MSFN Windows XP" and you **DID** get MSFN results. That is no longer true. As you have noted in another thread. But again, this is NEW news that was not true a week ago. A week ago, I did a search for "MSFN Start Is Back" and the Google results listed MSFN as the #1 result for that query. That is not true "today".
  17. That said, I don't fully support that type of "nanny state". Pros and cons on both sides, in my opinion.
  18. Actually, in the case of Google excluding MSFN "results", there is a case to be made that they are doing so FOR YOUR PROTECTION. The DNS "chain" (I don't know the technical terms) has been EXPLOITED and HACKED by "bad people". Since that has never been "fixed", then Google and *all forms of AI out there* see accessing MSFN as a SECURITY RISK. That there "is" evidence of a MAN IN THE MIDDLE "ATTACK". So there is a case to be made that "security conscientious" search engines *SHOULD* be EXCLUDING results.
  19. ie, this thread/discussion == https://msfn.org/board/topic/187750-sometimes-redirecting-to-spamgamble-site-when-accessing-msfnorgboard/#comments
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