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VistaLover replied to Dave-H's topic in Pinned Topics regarding Windows XP
Works OK here in NM28 32-bit (Vista SP2 x86); direct link for KB4092483 32-bit: http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/secu/2018/09/mso-x-none_852c8f4c16a121d662c070374553e1ffe159779a.cab -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
In this case "Nightly" is the default app name in unofficial Firefox branding; Roytam1's offering is an unofficial (unbranded) fork of Mozilla's Firefox ESR 45 branch... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
A number of Jetpack SDK extensions can be force-installed (but non-guaranteed they'll function as designed) in NM27 via the Moon Tester Tool extension (v1.0.2 should be preferred in NM27, because it also supports Firefox Complete Themes and Mozilla dictionaries ; both were dropped in recent Pale Moon 28.1x.*/29.0.0a6, thus latest MTT 2.0.1 also axed support for those... ) https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProductions/UXP/issues/120 was the upstream UXP issue that tracked this for the transition Pale Moon 27/Tycho -> Pale Moon 28/UXP -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
(NB: OT content, NPP related ) It's probably Notepad++ bug #8010 on XPSP3/2003SP2, which started with NPP v7.8.3 Notepad++ bug #8010 was closed as WONTFIX; dail8859, a member of NPP's organisation, plainly states that XP is not supported anymore: -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Another (English writing) reviewer noticed that: -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Unfortunately, the youtube SSUAO method has ceased working many weeks ago, whether you impersonate Google Bot or a relatively old Firefox (etc.) version ; more finer "machinery" is currently needed for Youtube in order to access their non-polymer layout, the process involves URL and Request Header manipulation (to specifically request from the server a late July/early August version of the embedded youtube player, as mentioned by @RainyShadow here ), plus some additional HTML/CSS fixes may be needed to be applied on the generated "Classic" youtube page... This is basically what the two Firefox WEs discussed previously actually do... WE need a "legacy" type extension for both New Moon 27+28 to regain Classic YT ; NM28, with its more advanced platform and engine, stands better chances of having such an add-on created for it, not least because it also supports jetpack extensions... Another possible solution would be to write a usescript duplicating the functions of those WEs and installing it on NM27/28 via "Greasemonkey for Pale Moon" This subject, but for official Pale Moon 28, was first brought up in the official support forum: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=25030 but the developers there, despite having the know-how to write such an extension, vehemently refused to do so, sayin' it isn't worth their time and effort on developing something that may get obsoleted any day now... I do note, however, that we have a "coders corner" here at MSFN: https://msfn.org/board/forum/99-coding-scripting-and-servers/ ...perhaps it wouldn't hurt asking over there... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
7-zip has an (advanced) setting under Tools -> Options -> Editor where you can input the full path to your preferred code editor's main executable, and from then on "text-like" files inside an opened archive will open with said selected editor; very handy indeed, does not involve OS-wide file type (i.e. extension) associations... A similar (advanced) setting exists inside WinRar, too: (Apologies, but I currently have a Greek-only installation of latest WinRar 5.91, I guess you still get the idea, hopefully ) PS: The code editor of my choice... -
@Mr.Scienceman2000 : You need to have previously installed (and probably also fully updated) .NET Framework 4 for Kaspersky Labs Products to run on XP and beyond; the last "series" of Kaspersky products to not require .NET4 was the "2013" one... Do you actually have .NET4 on your XP Pro SP3 machine?
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My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Window's Notepad is unsuitable for editing code ; as @nicolaasjan suggested, use for such tasks a dedicated code/text editor, with coloured syntax themes; proper code editors will automatically identify syntax errors (e.g. missing brackets, commas, etc.) and alert you about them (e.g. by highlighting the error block in a different colour or poping up a notification, etc...) [Another thing to consider when using Notepad is the encoding format when saving a modified file; usually Notepad saves a file as ANSI, but several code files need to be saved as Unicode/UTF-8 instead...] -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
The Firefox add-on is of a type called Web Extension (Mozilla's attempt to ape Chromium extension format; search for more info...); Pale Moon, of which New Moon 27/28 is an unofficial fork, has never supported Web Extensions (by choice of its developers), thus 'Good Old Youtube' can't be installed in New Moon... Try Serpent 52.9.0 (the ia32 build should run on non-SSE2 CPUs, if you fall into that category) ... Sadly, at this very moment, Roytam1's binary repository is DOWN, so you may have to kindly ask for that among members here... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
So sorry to hear about this but, to be honest, was kind of expecting it to happen, if one takes into perspective their previous record: o.rthost.cf was taken down on ca. Oct 21st 2018; o.rths.cf was taken down on ca. Oct 8th 2019; and (not surprisingly) o.rths.ml has been taken down on Oct 22nd 2020... ... As you can tell, they are being consistent, allowing you a free domain for the duration of (approximately) a whole calendar year (and, as I recall, a maximum of 3 [free] domains can be granted to a free "freenom" account holder) ... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Latest version of G-O-YT, 1.15.2, installs and functions perfectly fine in St52 as long as the correct modification to its manifest.json file has been performed, which is probably where you messed-up... @vikmin : Since Serpent 52 does not observe extension-signing, you can also do away fully with the META-INF directory... Those not confident modifying source code files, may switch to Old Youtube, which was updated to v2.1.1 (I prefer myself the G-O-YT one because it's more failproof than O-YT ). NB: Serpent 52 does NOT currently search AMO for WE updates, so you must yourself do so (e.g. bookmarking both extensions' "versions" pages on AMO and visiting periodically...). Do keep in mind both extensions are just "hacks", they may break at any time, when Google completely obliterate the classic GUI's files from YT servers... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Related upstream support forum thread: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=24993&p=197006 The website admins basically write code targeting very recent Javascript engines and/or Chrome-specific web technologies (e.g. ShadowDOM, part of Google Web Components); latest New Moon 28 should function correctly with WBM's timeline bar ; as for getting this to work under NM27, I can only guess it'd be an extremely difficult task, if at all achievable... Best greetings -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@roytam1's Pale Moon fork does not target Windows XP exclusively; it can run very well on Windows OSes past XP, i.e. Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10; "our" maintainer has, among other things, extended upstream support "below" the officially sanctioned Windows OSes, to include Vista/XP/2k (probably with "Extended Kernel" installed); I see no reason to remove support for OSes other than XP (this would be plainly selfish coming from XP users), since our UXP fork has already diverged enough from upstream to be a separate platform... I am aware of people (several of them here on MSFN) on Win7+ using New Moon 28 and/or MyPal 28 because they prefer them to the upstream offering... Divergence is more pronounced on the Serpent 52 fork, e.g. it has retained WebExtentions support, thus a person on, say, Win8.1 can't use official Basilisk if said person wants a "legacy-style" browser with additional WE support; e.g., recent discussion about WEs restoring "classic" Youtube layout comes to mind... Denying people the ability to appreciate @roytam1's offerings on OSes other than Windows XP is an OS-discriminatory stance akin to the one exhibited by upstream, denying their applications to Vista/XP users ; and I stand to be corrected, but Win8-specific codepaths in the platform won't even load when the application is launched under XP, so I wouldn't call "Start Menu Tiles" support in the platform/app code a "feature" that has "crept"... The majority of people here that have stayed on Win<7 are tied to some older hardware which, for a wide variety of reasons, don't want/can't make parts with... Each one's (older) hardware combination (motherboard, CPU, GPU, etc.) is probably unique, so it might be unwise to generalise on overall performance going just by one's own particular setup(s)... Thankfully, Roy tries to maintain a wider variety of forked browsers to accommodate most older setups, the key here is what works best for "you" (your H/W, S/W, workflow, etc.). I'll refrain from commenting on your "security" views, I said recently that this is a (mostly) democratic community, thus all opinions are welcome/heard (to the point they don't violate forum rules); FWIW, we have here proponents of both extremes on the subject of "security"... Best regards -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
It is currently ca. 00:20 GMT on Mon, Oct 19th and it appears the issue has rectified itself ; "o.rths.ml" is again accessible from my location... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
The Good Old Youtube extension I linked to above has been recently updated to mitigate the broken yt search feature... (screenshot above was taken with New Moon 28; will look slightly different when visiting with Serpent 52 ) -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@roytam1 : Has the hostname been changed to something else, again? Can you please share? I am, too, getting the Error 522 Cloudflare response with everything hosted on o.rths.ml ... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Good Old Youtube also does a brilliant job of re-instating the non-polymer youtube interface (which is more lenient towards computer resources, especially applicable on older hardware/OSes), but, as it is an id-less Web Extension not supported on Serpent 55/52, it doesn't install out-of-the-box ; but if you modify its manifest.json file to include a gecko-id, then it will install (and work) OK! { "name": "Good Old YouTube", "manifest_version": 2, "version": "1.15.0.1-unsigned", "description": "Switch back to classic YouTube interface!", "icons": { "96": "images/logo.svg" }, "background": { "scripts": [ "shared.js", "options/default-options.js", "logger.js", "reconstruct.js", "background.js" ] }, "content_scripts": [ { "matches": [ "https://www.youtube.com/*" ], "css": [ "styles/hide-alert.css" ], "js": [ "shared.js", "content-script.js" ], "run_at": "document_start" } ], "options_ui": { "page": "options/options.html" }, "permissions": [ "https://www.youtube.com/*", "storage", "webRequest", "webRequestBlocking" ], "applications": { "gecko": { "id": "{482060de-6804-4020-a1b9-16dc012a3c93}" } } } (The id string is identical to the one generated when the extension is installed in FirefoxESR 52.9.x) -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/old-youtube/ -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Shadow DOM v1 implementation on UXP is being tracked (by upstream) in https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/UXP/issues/1375 Related implementations tracked in: Custom Elements v1 Google WebComponents ... so the answer to your question is yes... FWIW, are you in any capacity to lend a hand towards implementing the remaining "1/2 of Shadow DOM v1" and/or expediting the full implementation of the rest of the Google-spawned web technologies? -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Isn't this just like Firefox ESR 52.9? It looks as though no-one really pays any attention to the stuff I post ; I mentioned WF Classic just in the previous page... ... And the recent OT discussion about browsers that do NOT launch and run on XP (/Vista) should be better continued in one of the Win7+ subforums... Just my 2 (euro)cents... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Not according to the M.A.T. person, who claims a supreme knowledge of even the "finest letters" of the MPL-2 licence: I think that part was explained previously by M.A.T; hosting the source code of one project covered by MPL-2 in a private repo does not make it Closed Source; whenever the code author releases an executable form (binary) of the code, he has the obligation to provide, by reasonable means, access to the source code that was used to compile the executable form; "reasonable" means could very well be a link to a source tarball or, upon user request, dispatch of the used source via a physical storage medium (the cost of which should be covered by the user requesting it...); what's more important is the fact that the publicly revealed source code does not carry the "buildability" obligation, that is any additional "hack" used by the author to compile the source into an executable form can remain private... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@Sampei.Nihira : You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion, this is a (mostly) democratic community of users, but as a person whose workflow relies on GitHub (a member since 2014), not installing that linked extension by JustOff means my only other recourse on my current OS (Vista SP2 32-bit without Extended Kernel) would've been (abandoning New Moon 28 and) switching to a 360 Extreme Explorer variant (even v11, Chromium 69 based, was tested to work OK on GitHub)... PS: Let's all hope that upstream get a wake-up call with this recent GitHub debacle and decide to focus on fully implementing Web Components on UXP sooner rather than later... Then we wouldn't have to install workarounds to get GitHub working (at least those of us that need it working...) -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Upstream support forum thread: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=25435 Workaround, that will restore ~ 95% of GitHub's lost functionality: Install github-wc-polyfill-1.0.3.xpi from: https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases/tag/1.0.3 All credit goes to (upstream) Ukrainian developer @JustOff ; however, that extension was created with official Pale Moon in mind, hence its install.rdf file has: <em:minVersion>28.14.0</em:minVersion> Should install as is on Mypal 28.14.x (if that's what you want it for ), but to install on latest New Moon 28, one has to edit that line to read: <em:minVersion>28.10.2a1</em:minVersion> The add-on itself has been probably inspired by the WebExtension add-on Polly, that was created for Waterfox Classic users to mitigate GitHub's breakage on Oct 14th 2020... Polly targets a Firefox 56 fork, which has a lot more WebExtension APIs than either Serpent 52.9.0 or Centaury; as a result, Polly will install on Serpent/Centaury, but won't work as designed... Additionally, Waterfox Classic users can (mostly) fix GitHub by toggling dom.webcomponents.enabled to true but, while the same pref does exist in UXP browsers, Web Components support in UXP is extremely unripe/at a very early stage... FYI, github-wc-polyfill extension embeds a base64encoded copy of https://unpkg.com/browse/@webcomponents/webcomponentsjs@2.4.4/webcomponents-bundle.js https://github.com/webcomponents/polyfills/tree/master/packages/webcomponentsjs#using-webcomponents-bundlejs ======================================= Some background: Before the Microsoft buyout () , GitHub would support the latest version of major browsers like Google Chrome, IE/old Microsoft Edge, Safari, Firefox, and care would be taken to not break the current ESR version of Firefox; additionally, "legacy" browsers like Pale Moon, Basilisk, Waterfox (Fx56-based) were "whitelisted" and treated in a special manner so as to remain compatible, but still on a best-effort basis... It well appears that now the "old" team of GitHub developers, the ones sympathetic to "legacy" browsers, have been set aside by the new management, which is hardly any surprise as Microsoft have colluded with evil Google, the net effect being that currently GitHub only caters to the four iterations of Chromium that dominate the browser market (Google's Chromium=Chrome, Microsoft's Chromium=[New] MS Edge, Apple's Chromium=Safari and Mozilla's Chromium-wannabe=Firefox [Quantum] ) ...