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i wanted to mention that backporting newer web browsers to work on 98SE with kernelex or even 95 / NT4 would help but the problem is that websites and content keep changing, what may work now may not work later and no one seems to really give an explanation for this, a general explanation is that the web browsers aren't supported anymore but this doesn't explain why some thing stop working altogether. for example, i was just testing some web browsers just now on my windows 10 system and noticed that youtube worked on opera 12.10, but it just so happens that opera 12.10 appears to not run on 98SE with kernelex, and of course the playback only allows 360p settings. from 12.10 - 12.18 and all the way to 17, the browsers are slow, have rendering issues and do not play videos more than 360p. i noticed that opera 18.0.1284.49 was the last / first version to support 480p, 720p and 1080p youtube playback. firefox 9.01 ran youtube with only 360p playback option, not clear if it would do so in 98SE with kernelex, firefox 4.0 and older do not support any playback as i noticed on my windows 10 system, i didn't test 4.01 - 7.0, but it doesn't really matter because one would just use either 3.5.19 ( in my opinion since it still supports java classic ) or firefox 9.01 in this case ( if it support youtube playback in 98SE ). firefox 21.0 was the first / last version to support 720p playback option along with 360p, but no other option, firefox 20.0 and older only had the 360p option. firefox 31.8.0 esr only had 360p/720p option, and i find that odd because i think it had 480p / 1080p also on my windows 2000 system i tested just a little while back, but i am not sure. 45.8.0 esr as mentioned by sdfox was the version he used on windows 2000 and although it did support up to 1080p youtube, it never worked properly on my windows 2000 tested system, and caused instability, scripting errors, not loading youtube content properly, freezed constantly, and i couldn't get it to work properly, regardless of whether i even had windows script host 5.7 manually installed or not. although testing 45.8.0 esr just now on my windows 10 did work fine, no issues, with 1080p playback, but of course, two very different systems ( 2k vs w10 ). it appears that NT4 will have some good news ahead for the extended kernel project being worked on which allows newer web browsers which i would assume opera 18.0.1284.49 would be compatible, but unfortunately 98SE and windows 95 are limited so far for youtube playback at least.

hi, i was wondering if anyone can give me some straightforward answers on WSH ( windows script host ), javascript ( integrated part of web browsers ), and WMI ( windows management instrumentation ). so here are my questions: . what is the difference between javascript and windows script host? . does a general usage person need to install both windows script host and javascript on the same system for added functionality?, the reason why i ask is because i noticed windows 95 and NT4 are the only ones that do not come with windows script host at all, where as windows 98 and newer ship with windows script host 1.0. this makes me believe that installing wsh 5.6 on 95 and NT4 is sort of needed for added functionality, so this goes in another question below . does windows script host 5.6 add increased functionality, stability and performance for general use if upgrading from version 1.0, and if so, for what? what difference is there if someone does not use WSH 5.6 on a 95 and NT4 pc vs having WSH 5.6 installed, does having it installed make web browsing functionality better? . why does windows management instrumentation 1.5 never work properly on any of my systems, is this just me or does it have to do with wmi 1.5 being flawed? the specific issues i would have every time i installed it, at least on 95 and 98SE is that it would continuously hang or freeze the system whenever i opened certain programs, and the only way to keep working was to manually shut off the system and reboot every time this would happen, so i would exclude installing it on any system. . so i was wondering why the older versions of windows management instrumentation do not crash or freeze the system, being that older WMI ships on 98SE, as well as included in windows 95. i do not remember on the functionality of installing windows script host 5.6 on 95 and 98SE, i think it's possible that when i did install it on 95 or 98SE, that it behaved similarly like WMI 1.5 would, in that it would causes instability and freezing, complaining about unresponsive scripts, only within the web browsers of course, but that issue didn't seem to happen on normal 98SE builds without manually installing WSH 5.6, which makes me believe that the older WSH version didn't interfere or cause problems, although it's possible that none of these are the reasons and it could have been from other reasons / factors like using a specific web browser and / or missing other components, but i can't seem to pinpoint what, i don't think it would be java because java and javascript engine are different.

keep us updated on the browsers, i specifically want to know what will be the latest release that also works on windows 95 as i would like to update it to that, i currently have firefox reading version "1.8.20180.50420" for the file version, also with this whole tls thing, is tls 1.2 supposed to be backwards compatible with older tls versions, sorry if it may be a noob question but i just don't understand any of these, i also heard of ssl and you also mentioned js engine, does having higher versions for any of these mean more compatibility or functionality? a quick search on ssl 3.0 through wikipedia shows that it was released in 1996, so i guess your browsers already come with the latest version being ssl 3.0. did you say your web browser for windows 95 had tls 1.2 support? 1.3 is shown to be the newest.

Java SE Runtime Environment 6u22 is the specific version you need to download, i believe i downloaded mine off java directly, you just need to make an account there if you haven't done so, the filename should be " jre-6u22-windows-i586.exe", i was able to install it without any errors on my system recently through testing, of course, i had installed kernelex 4.5.2 beforehand before attempting install and no other versions of java were manually installed from before. newer java versions should also "work" but i see no practical reason to go past java 6 update 22 as it is the last version to work properly with classic plug in with firefox 3.5.19 which is what i use, however you have to take special steps to get it to work in classic plug in mode, you have to rename the "new_plug in" folder of java, and you have to go to the java control panel application and uncheck the next generation plug in. i am not sure why you got that invalid signature related error, also, it's possible you may have not installed some necessary components that would affect installing newer versions of java, etc. i specifically also use unofficial service pack 3.62 as the most recent ( installed before kernelex ) and there are 2 kernelex updates i have, there is the standard 4.5.2 and then there is another update for it i always install.

i was gonna make a thread mostly for windows 7 tweaks with the assumption that the system uses a solid state drive, however before giving all the detailed info and tweaks i found so far, i wanted to first ask individually on specific tweaks and how they work as i am unsure on them and what can really help with performance. one thing in particular i am not sure of is the windows 7 aero function. i have searched up on it and at fist, there were sources saying that disabling aero entirely will improve performance, but then other sources and forum users saying it actually reduces performance because it disable hardware acceleration on the gpu and / or so the cpu / gpu have to work harder and so overall, this would reduce performance? the problem is i havent found a step by step instruction on what the best settings would be and what you need to do. for example, a user on one of the forums posted this "You get the highest performance from using Aero with Shadows, Transparancy and Animations disabled. Known this for a few years now, it's pretty obvious too." with that being said, and if that's true too, can i also set the windows view to classic or does that disable windows aero or does that not have anything to do with aero? i guess what im asking is what the highest performance settings would be for aero, i understand there may not be a huge difference in performance if any with tweaks in general, though some may be noticeable, however this is something i would like to have in customization. not all tweaks would be for a faster system but more for reliability such as disabling caching of thumbnails but making it so it actually shows the thumbnails. on my w7 systems, i always disabled themes in services.msc, as well as set windows to classic theme and adjust for best performance option with smooth edges of screen fonts checked for one. i also wanted to talk about bios tweaks.

i had made my own personal update checklist for nt 4.0 a while back, i've collected most updates, were there any in specific you wanted information on or just wanted like a list in general? since my checklist was made in a specific order to work ( mostly from earliest to latest dates ), you might have to follow it exactly the way i do, meaning, you might have to install windows 2.0 restributable before "q314147i".

this is very interesting, i thought 98SE was nice with kernelex, but after seeing this api wrapper project, it makes it seem like nt 4.0 is even "better". i wish there was a similar project in windows 95 and i've tried voicing this out before, since there is so much that can be improved in windows 95 such as newer web browsers with better compatibility, wpa2 support, etc, i mean, imagine a wpa2 client that worked on windows 95 and custom network drivers for certain wifi cards that allowed connecting them to wpa2 networks. sorry if i went a little off the topic but i thought it may have been nice to mention and somewhat relevant.

as far as i have experienced, there is no usb 2.0 in windows 95 osr 2.5, meaning, the speeds will be limited to usb 1.1, that being said, you should still get the controller and hub to work, just that it will be limited to usb 1.1 speeds, getting usb to work on 95 osr 2.5 can be tricky sometimes, the bios settings like you mentioned can change the way devices show up or work, interestingly for me, i actually had to do the opposite, set usb emulation to disabled for some usb devices to work on certain laptops, though i don't really remember to be honest how i got them to work on 95 osr 2.5. as far as the other things go, i did want to mention that i wasn't gonna necessarily point out which installation order to do things but for the other stuff, can you list the hardware id of the ethernet and firewire, i have gotten firework drivers to install on 95 but i never tested them. i may or may not have had to manually add the hardware id to the inf. also, i was wondering where you got the scitech display doctor 7 beta, i have been using more recently the univbe driver but for some reason on some systems i tested, it gives a windows protection error / fault / divide in zero related error, i am not sure if the scitech did this but i feel like the scitech would be better overall and not have the issues i have experienced.

hi, i was just wondering if there is anyone out there who might want to install windows 7 on a cannonlake system or 10nm architecture ( ice lake for example ) on either a laptop or desktop based system and whether or not it's possible, being that it's a little early to say, i still wanted to talk about it generally, i already researched what ssd i would want to use and how you would have to install it on windows 7, apparently the intel optane ssd 900p which is one of the fastest ssd's in the world with very fast random read 4k qd1 speeds is supported on windows 7 and intel has step by steps on how to install it on windows 7, though im not sure if this will be affected by newer hardware, i dont see why it would. i suppose it might be easier on a desktop, so far its a hypothetical thing for me and i dont know if il do so for either or no, but im still interesting in knowing what obstacles there would be in doing so, apparently there is some unofficial update that bypasses the blocked microsoft thing so that you can still receive updates till 2020 or whenever they stop updating windows 7. there is also the usb 3.0 / 3.1 drivers you have to get and nvme support, one program i downloaded does this but it doesn't mention the optane 900p ssd, i suppose you can just add the hardware id in the inf file? also the program was designed for a certain brand / models i think, though i think it might be universal?

i agree generally on what is being said here, my main reason for opting for pentium 4's in w95 osr 2.5 - 98SE builds instead of pentium iii is many reasons, but mostly it's because i have the intention or at least wan't others to have the ability to browse the web better and have websites load properly from the added instructions (SSE2 VS SSE), the difference doesn't seem to be much but i do remember some sites not loading properly with SSE only capable processors where as SSE2 processors had more compatibility, also hardware for SSE2 compatible is more readily available / cheaper and CAN offer just as much, if not more support than pentium iii or older hardware in terms of combining legacy and modern functioning in one computer / operating system. sure, SSE2 still might limit web browsing, but some boards can accept also SSE3 processors which i think most websites or sites work properly with, i think it is SSE2 and lower that may not load every site out there properly, but don't quote me on this, im just guessing this based off some random experimenting with some SSE2 based systems in the past, however SSE only is limited to very basic sites and web browsing such as wikipedia. btw lonecrusader, thanks for the info on the motherboard version and bios stuff, it's nice to know this when assembling or picking out a pc build, especially if you want to maximize legacy and modern in one package.

sorry if im just skimping here but why not just use vlc player? i guess i was wondering what the biggest differences would be from running for example an mp4 file on vlc player vs media player 6.4 on windows 95C. part of the reason i use vlc player now for the default of watching video ( mp4 ) mostly that is on 95C is that mp 6.4 wouldn't load mp4 and i use winamp 2.95 for mp3. there are a lot of different build options / software mentioned here so i was wondering if someone can sort of give me a conclusive answer to me. i basically want to know what would be the best software or softwares ( if more than one is needed ) to play mp4 and mp3 in highest quality possible. i noticed vlc player isn't bad for mp4, however the picture / video quality is limited a little and so i was wondering if anyone knows why, in 98SE, the quality seems to be the same as well, the sample file i use was a downloaded file off youtube that looks very nice in actual youtube playing at 1080p, however with vlc, it's limited somehow.

is there any particular reason you would know why it still won't start, even if fixing the missing function part? or in other question, would it practical to found out why and find a solution that can actually allow the browser to work?

wait what.., firefox 3.6 can work on nt 4.0? is this an unofficial firefox 3.6 that i can use, how can i use firefox 3.6 on nt 4.0? could this also be possible on windows 95 osr 2.5?

i personally wouldn't use any w9x based systems with anything less than a SSE2 CPU if you want to connect it up to the web or internet ( really i am looking at SSE3 minimum actually if i were to actually do a serious build or experimenting since SSE2 seems to not load a lot of webpages properly either or perhaps it could be from other reasons ), but yeh, the instructions are necessary for a lot of websites to function properly or load completely, even though processors that only have SSE like the pentium iii will load sites like wikipedia fine, it tends to limit what you can do. of course browser issues are another thing as well as javascript / java support as mentioned earlier here. the only thing i ask of is hoping that we can have further unofficial updates for increased compatibility and other fixes. i miss being able to load youtube videos on windows 95 at 240p on either firefox 2.0.0.20 or opera 10.10 / 10.63 unofficial, although it would have been nice if it was possible to run it at higher playback settings, i never understood why there was this limitation for windows 95. now it's difficult enough to get 98SE to play youtube videos at all and i used to be able to run videos at 1080p, for some reason, i couldn't select that option more recently when it did work, 720p was the max, although 720p still looks really good.

i wouldn't re-enable acpi, if you already installed with acpi disabled, then keep it that way. most computers will not work properly with the default acpi enabled on windows 9x systems, some might not even finish setup, i had run "setup /p i" ( acpi disabled ) on one of the sony laptops i have right now experimenting on windows 95. it uses ich3-m chipset. only some systems may function "properly" with the default acpi enabled. i use driver version "4.13.01.9066" for ("MOBILITY RADEON 9000" = M9_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4C66&SUBSYS_205817C0) which is used on the latitude d600 and inspiron 600m. i would make sure you have the right or adequate system.ini settings for vcache and maxphyspage. for 1 GB systems, you can use "maxphyspage=40000" and "minfilecache=44000" and "maxfilecache=44000". these are personally what i have used and my systems and about the minimum necessary for the vcache. it seems that when i used to use 0 for the filecache, it would cause the hard drive to stop working properly and run in compatibility mode after updating the system to a certain point, but when i used the proper vcache settings, it seemed to not have that problem anymore. some other solutions is to make sure the hard drive size is less than 127.5 GB i believe, it seems that on the last laptop build i did, the performance and functioned seemed rather buggy or slow and / or showed signs / had data corruption or related issues that apparently would occur if running on partition sizes 127.5 GB or larger. for the broadcom wifi, i dont remember what configuration i had on the dell latitude d600 or inspiron 600m, but i personally had more success, at least recently, with using the realtek 8185 mini pci wifi card. it works well on the dell precision m70 and might work on the latitude d600. i had problems running the bcm4318 on the precision m70 and i think another laptop with inability to boot.

i gave up trying to collect all 98SE updates, yet alone want to install all of them individually, restart the system, and so on. i use the unofficial service pack instead and through a certain update process that works fine, quicker and offers better compatibility / performance. however, i still install each individual update on my windows 95 osr 2.5 systems, except for of course stuff like the unofficial usb update, etc. my windows 95 update folder contains more than 105 updates and at least 55 MB of space, i know there may be a few updates i still dont have but i never went back to search which ones i may not have, although there was some guy recently who posted a link in msfn of w95 update history, so i may use that in the future if needed.

i know this thread is very old but i didn't want to make a new thread on working out the issues i need with a particular system. i have used via 4in1 version 4.43 on the laptop im working with which is averatec 3200 on windows 95, i believe it uses the kt, kn or km400 chipset or some via chipset, anyways, the problem is that although the 4.43 driver package does install important things like the agp 3.0 driver where i can get the gpu driver to work, etc, however, it doesn't seem to update the ide driver, or if it does, it shows the name as via hard disk controller, but doesn't show any date or updated file driver, there is other issues with it too. another issue is the cardbus devices will not properly work / configure. installing the drivers gives a code 29 error in device manager and i know the drivers are for windows 95. i've tried researching this issue, saying it may be a bios or allocation issue, however i couldn't find anything in the bios that would affect this. i've looked up pci routing as it seemed to explain similar issues i was having or possibly the same issues which the pci bus handles such as code 29 error with cardbus devices, unfortunately, applying the changes given by the website did not change anything. i also had problems with the usb controllers, which i seem to have with other computers that also used via usb controllers with dev 3038. it will install the controllers, but will give a yellow exclamation mark and it wont install the drivers, it just shows the controllers in yellow markings in device manager. back to the cardbus issue, it is dev 6972 and ac50 cardbus, the 6972 is the one the laptop internally uses and the ac50 is a supplement to the toshiba e5d7 mini pci wireless adapter im trying to use, in other words, to detect the toshiba card, the ac50 cardbus driver has to first be installed and properly working which it doesn't. i was gonna start fresh again, wipe the hard drive and install with ACPI disabled this time, im hoping maybe combining that and applying some other changes, i may be able to get the system to properly work or configure things better. one of which to be specific and why i replied to this post is to patch in the updated irq driver which i was gonna ask if anyone knows how to that as i don't know how to do that. i feel as though this could be the reason why everything in the system isnt running the way it should, being that i always install chipset drivers first, then the unofficial usb update ( xusbsupp ), and so on.

thanks for the detailed info, i dont remember where i checked to see if fable uses opengl but i noticed i had made another thread a while back for this same exact topic and i had mentioned that wikipedia had mentioned fable as using opengl, but i guess that was wrong information at the time and i actually did not find it after doing a quick google search of list of opengl games on wikipedia, and the dependency walker tool apparently shows it as not using opengl at all like you said. guess il just try fable tlc on 98SE. the experimenting was really to find a nice rpg games with good graphics that works on windows 95, there is dark age of camelot that is similar to wow, the initial system requirements mentioned windows 95 but im not sure if the newer versions / updates will allow working on windows 95, and if its ok to get a little off topic but i really wish they made a game engine level editor for "project igi: im going in" which does work on windows 95, with the exception that you can design the levels or maps in a updated way that allows directx 8.0a capabilities, since the original game only supported directx 7.0, despite looking so realistic and just as good, if not better than some directx 8.0 games.

i had researched fable the lost chapters and noticed that it uses opengl, i was wondering if you can bypass the directx 9.0c requirement it has someway and make it run still on older operating systems such as windows 95 that only supports up to dx8.0a but fully support opengl. i had researched and a source had mentioned that fable requires a minimum of directx 8.0 pixel programmable pixel shader 1.1 which directx 8.0a does support, 8.0a supports up to 1.3 pixel shader, so with that being said, is there any way to bypass the error it gives of the directx 9 dll file, like tricking the system in thinking it has the updated directx 9 file or some other way, or is it more complicated than this? i have tested this myself a while back by copying the fable program into the windows 95 pc and trying to run it, and it just threw the directx 9 error.

where exactly do you go to apply these changes? is there a similar setting for firefox 2.0.0.20 or seamonkey95? i'm trying to get youtube working again on windows 95 but don't know where to go to apply these changes. does one also need the flash 7 spoof for this?

man, enough people are having difficulty running youtube on 98SE and im trying to get it back running on windows 95 :(, man, it was nice having youtube work on windows 95 before, even if it only played at 240p settings, i never understood why it was limited to 240p settings though, i haven't found an explanation for this.

i use odyssey client 4.56 on my 98SE builds and it ran fine the last time(s) i used it. if only they came out with odyssey client for windows 95 that allowed a way that can connect wep only wifi cards to be able to connect to wpa2 encryption. im sure it shouldn't be that difficult to make a software that can do some sort of conversion process from wep to wpa to wpa2 to allow very old legacy hardware to connect to wpa2 settings. windows 95 doesn't even support wpa or does it?

i like windows 95 more, simply because of it feels more nostalgic while still being able to do some modern things with it, but it's harder to get to work with certain things, for example, on 440bx chipsets, at least from my experience, usb drives simply do not want to work on most laptops, on desktops, the problem is less of a problem and usually they will detect fine but for most laptops with 440bx chipsets, everytime i plug in any usb mass storage device ( with the xuspsupp update ), they all just show as unknown devices with no driver to install and have them properly work. also i have not been able to get youtube to work in the 240p settings that you use to be able to get it working in, i've tried many methods, i tested most recently the "&nohtml5=1" setting in each video on opera 10.63 ( unofficial ) and it wouldn't work in either opera turbo enabled or disabled, neither would it work if i tested it with the flash 7 spoof file in the program plug ins folder or if it wasn't in there. i also tested with the gstreamer folder deleted with or without the flash 7 spoof and with or without opera turbo enabled and still wouldn't work :(. windows 98SE in general offers more usability, performance and stability but i feel though it is not as nostalgic as windows 95. as far as installation order goes for updating the system, i can only say for 98SE, this is what i use, set option in folder options to "Show all files" and smooth edges of screen fonts , edit the system.ini settings to have the proper maxphyspage and minfilecache and maxfilecache settings, install winrar, internet explorer 6 sp1, unofficial service pack, directx 9.0c, inf update, unofficial usb update, mdac 2.8 sp1, gpu driver or other drivers, but don't install wifi driver yet until the end, fidenu31 ( intel processor frequency id utility 7.1 ), adobe reader 6.0, java 1.5 update 22, office 2000 and it's updates, .net framework 2.0, kernelex and it's latest updates, adobe flash player 11+, optional stuff such as vlc player and make sure to select full setup for vlc player, other updates from the unofficial service pack can be installed if not done so already, although i had a problem with the ntfs driver messing up the system so unless you really need this or know what you're doing, don't install this or other stuff like performance tweaks, etc.

^i agree with pretty much all the things you said, besides, why use a power hungry card like the 7950gx2, even if it was possible to have support for both gpu chips, it would run hot and use a lot of power. heck, i would rather use something like a 7600 gt instead of the 7950gt. it would definitely be nice if someone were to get modded working drivers for the radeon x1xxx series as you can have a cooler running lower wattage chip compared to the older chips.

i would agree on this, if you are worried about some games preferring no more than pentium iii speeds, not running well or problematic, there is some programs that can limit cpu speed, something down to like 200mhz or lower which may help with compatibility with some dos games or possibly disabling of cache with the cpu to also help with compatibility or functionality with a specific program or game. some of the newer games that work on windows 98SE require fairly high specs to run smoothly on high settings such as fable the lost chapters, far cry 1, etc. i would love to give you build options / suggestions to parts, pm me if you want with price / budget range, etc.