MrGRiM

Well your problem is right there in your post. I've put all the files uncompressed from DWMHook094-64.7z to C:/DWM ,and changed the LoadGlass__AppInit_DLLs.reg as ' Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows] "LoadAppInit_DLLs"=dword:00000001 "AppInit_DLLs"="C:\AeroGlass\\DWMGlass.dll" "RequireSignedAppInit_DLLs"=dword:00000000 You should have the following [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows] "LoadAppInit_DLLs"=dword:00000001 "AppInit_DLLs"="C:\DWM\\DWMGlass.dll" "RequireSignedAppInit_DLLs"=dword:00000000

You are not being helpful at all with any of your posts, your just trying to find a way of making this a useable start menu without the need to purchase the release version, please just test this as it was intended and report bugs that can be fixed.

Much better, no flashing at all now, looks perfect

Sounds good mate, tested it again on 7 and I can see the User Picture frame is now disabled when meant to be and the all programs button now displays correctly, also see the places list content margins are now fixed, still no joy with the different default pane sizes for LogOff and Open Box though also don't know if it's just me but the animations seemed a bit more glitchy in this version, when switching to the all programs view or expanding the places list there seemed to be some flashing images mostly around the search area but I also noticed around the LogOff and Places List, you need to click the more programs button and the expand arrow a fair bit to see the glitch, it happens in the default Aero theme as well as my custom themes.

You might like this, it's the only one I know of http://browse.deviantart.com/art/Windows-Classic-Vs-372853688

SIB Native

I still don't understand how should search (openbox) look when searchbox and logoff haves have different height. Only clipping or holes come to mind. Or you intend to give them same height in their search state?OK here is another example of how it should work and how yours is working.

Don't see this either. Yep. OK I found out what is causing the Places List item Hover issue, it is being effected by the IconTitleFont:Font size in system metrics, if you make the default size smaller it makes the button smaller and changes the spacing. For some reason even though I added my font properties to PlacesList:ListView and StartMenuCompositedMFU::ListView it still changed the size of the button without effecting the text size but this is only seen with SIB, in the native menu it doesn't matter what size you set that font the button still remains the same size.

Is it just height or width too? How does/should search view look with different heights?The Height is what matters there, it looks fine but when you adjust the Search Box pane it should not effect the LogOff Pane, the width on the other hand is ignored on the Open Box, this is the same on the native start menu as well, it will only go by the width set by the Programs List. That's strange because it should.OK I tested this a bit more and the default Pane Size does work but unchecking the UserPicture:Bool does not remove it, One strange bug I did notice is the places list is not reading the content margin for the top only, left, right and bottom content margins work fine though. Currently it reads only bottom one.OK well it does read it but only if I remove the property from the bottom one. Yes, animations are bit different but they're smoother than native ones. Blending is done in separate thread to improve responsiveness.Well it is a very noticeable difference, I am really loving how well some of this skins compared to the native start menu, I would love to use this on Windows 7 as well lol A few other things I noticed was the sleep missing in the LogOff options, the spacing between the Icon and the text on the programs list is out by 2px and the Places List Item Hover content margins are out by 2px on all sides making the button look smaller and making each item 4px closer to each other on the list resulting in it looking squashed up..

This thread is for: - Useful bug reports, explaining chain of your actions and your setup. - Useful screenshots. - NOT for Windows 8.1 discussion. - NOT for any kind of support. I'm sure that will be something to add in a future version but not something important to work on right now, this is strictly for testing only, only core features and skinning need to be tested, the final version will have to read a custom msstyles containing the start menu images as 8.1 msstyle images and properties have been completely removed.

OK well I tested HC but it didn't work for me. Default Pane size was an interesting one, this has worked to some extent, only problem I found is that on some of my themes the default pane size was not set on what seems to be a duplicate places list, this default pane size is normally ignored when I add properties to the first places list, not sure if you can do anything about that or not but it's not a big deal, I can either set that value or delete it and it will then read the correct value. UserPicture:Bool and it's default pane size is still not being read from the msstyles, that is the setting to enable or disable the user picture frame. All Programs button image is using the wrong image, it's using the Programs List Item image instead of the More Programs Tab Default Pane sizes for Open Box and LogOff should both be adjustable without effecting each other, at the moment if I change a value to either one it effects the other. I really like it so far though, the extend animation looks smoother then then the native one and some of the sizing margins that were not being respected properly in the native start menu are being read correctly in yours, so this is great work, better then the shoddy work that MS were doing, give yourself a huge pat on the back my friend

No I was on Windows 7 having a look with Resource Spy, I have blur disabled on there, it's OK though I went on Windows 8 after that and found where it is C:\Windows\System32\en-US\themeui.dll.mui

I would think it belongs to the themecpl.dll as that's where the save dialog is. Edit: found it, it's in the themeui.dll.mui, string line 3 122 Windows can't find one of the files in this theme. Do you still want to save the theme?

The all programs might have something to do with me using script size 1 font, it pretty much removes the normal text there and allows me to use an image there instead, I will test it a bit more and see if I can get it to show again. The search icon is taken from the theme folder, I have a folder called explorerframe.dll inside the themes folder and that contains the png image that is normally a bitmap image taken from the explorerframe.dll in the system32 folder, I use a program call Theme Resource Changer that loads images into memory from the themes folder that would normally be loaded from the shell32.dll, exlorer.exe and exploreframe.dll, anyway I will have a play and report back with anything interesting.

Thanks the space looks much better now, cant test the windows update though at the moment as I have no pending updates. Custom skins work OK but some things need to be worked on a bit, if the custom theme has the same default panel size then it would be perfect but that can be changed in the msstyles and at the moment that's being read from your hard coded values. You can also see in the pic the user picture frame is disabled in the msstyles on the one the right but yours still shows it there. All default Panel sizes need to be read from the msstyles if possible, at the moment it looks like sizing margins, sizing type and content margins are being respected, so that's a good start, also with some of my custom themes I set the searchbox (Open Box) default panel size to 0 and adjust the content margins to 1, -1000, -1000, -1000, what this does is removes the search box but at the same time removes all the blur from the start menu and is the only reason why I do this, that way I can have more interesting start menus and also add shadow to them. Not sure if you are able to do this but if you could somehow have an option to have the blur and colorization removed that would be an amazing feature for us skinners. Here is an example of one of my start menus without blur and the search box and next to it is how it looks with yours, still a good start though. This is something that SIB currently can do perfectly when the transparency setting is turned off or when using Aero Glass for Windows 8 by Big Muscle. At the end of the day though I would love to keep the search box there and have a better way to remove the blur then this nasty hack in the msstyles lol Obviously you plan on having a open and close using a custom start button and other customizing options the same as SIB in the future versions? Not sure what else to test or tell you at the moment, I could probably point out a few more things, I did test it on windows 8 and worked OK aside from the programs list not being populated, have not tested on 8.1 yet though as I don't have it installed and probably best to wait for the official public preview. Here are a couple of custom themes on Windows 8 pro x64.

Nice to see your working on alternatives mate, just had a quick test on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and I like it so far, did notice a couple of things though, the windows update image on the shutdown button sometimes showed a second image under it and in the programs list there was an extra large gap at the bottom that forced the start menu to be larger, other then that it looked identical to the native start menu. It's a great start anyway mate, look forward to seeing how you go with this road

Uninstalled uxstyle and yes, I can apply custom themes when using RC3 Yep I uninstalled it as well now, just hope nothing breaks Aero Glass and we end up with a black screen on boot.

Sorry mate, maybe I should not try to help in future, the installer had options for x86 or x64, maybe you selected the wrong one, who knows, just wait for the final version.

Sir I installed aero glass installer could not able to get aero effect though. I tried OP's links earlier. I do not know much about how to apply it. But I have been trying to make it for a couple hours. I watched videos, searched web. Still could not figured it out. What should I do ? I want it so bad )) I can give my teamviewer id and pass as well You can give my installer a go if you like, it will install it to the correct directory and install all the necessary registry entries as well as give you options to enable or disable the new experimental features (deleted)

Another great update mate, tested with both new features on, had a look at the debug log and looks like it is working the way you wanted. I haven't tested heaps of programs, tested changing themes opening multiple windows moving multiple windows, a log off and a restart, tested it still plays nice with SIB and the desktop gadgets window, hopefully a short and sweet debug log for you to look through, only bug I still noticed is the delay on the explorer JumpList, it still takes about 2-3 seconds to open fully to see the most recent list. Here is my debug log. debug.zip

I decided to make a context menu shortcut to disable and enable Aero Glass, only problem is that you needed elevated privileges to run the batch files so it wouldn't work, I then found a way to use autoit instead and those can be run as admin, all it does is move the DWMglass.dll to a temp directory inside the DWM folder and restarts dwm.exe to disable glass and to enable it again it moves it back to the DWM folder, deletes the temp folder and restarts dmw.exe again. The EnableGlass.exe and DisableGlass.exe files need to go in the DWM folder. Download here http://www.mediafire.com/?8ra7j6zvuglcbxs If you want to know what is in the autoit exe here it is: FileMove ( "C:\DWM\DWMGlass.dll", "C:\DWM\temp\DWMGlass.dll" , 8 ) Run('TASKKILL /F /PID ' & ProcessExists('dwm.exe')) FileMove ( "C:\DWM\temp\DWMGlass.dll", "C:\DWM\DWMGlass.dll" ) DirRemove ( "C:\DWM\temp" ) Run('TASKKILL /F /PID ' & ProcessExists('dwm.exe')) and the registry file: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\DesktopBackground\shell\Start Aero Glass] [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\DesktopBackground\shell\Start Aero Glass\command] @="C:\\DWM\\EnableGlass.exe" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\DesktopBackground\shell\Stop Aero Glass] [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\DesktopBackground\shell\Stop Aero Glass\command] @="C:\\DWM\\DisableGlass.exe" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\Layers] "C:\\DWM\\EnableGlass.exe"="~ RUNASADMIN" "C:\\DWM\\DisableGlass.exe"="~ RUNASADMIN"

I think this is a good idea, this doesn't remove the notice at all unless you disable aero glass as well and has been the advice to all those that don't want the message to pop up, if they don't want the message then don't test the program, in this case, playing battlefield, then when you end the game you continue testing, this seems to be a great workaround and may stop allot of those people that complain about the message, I do agree with ORelio though, you should make this a separate app so it does not interfere with any future updates to AGTweaker. Not sure how your program works though but a simple way to disable and then enable it again would be to move the DWMglass.dll to the temp directory then restart DWM, then after you game has closed move it back to the DWM folder and restart DWM again. @ECHO OFF REM Stop Aero Glass SET PATH1=%SystemDrive%\DWM SET FILE1=DWMGlass.dll Move %PATH1%\%FILE1% %temp%\%FILE1% taskkill /f /IM dwm.exe @ECHO OFF REM Start Aero Glass SET PATH1=%SystemDrive%\DWM SET FILE1=DWMGlass.dll Move %temp%\%FILE1% %PATH1%\%FILE1% taskkill /f /IM dwm.exe

Might be a better idea to close this thread and start a fresh one rather then trying to remove all the useless posts, I check this thread daily to find out if there are any updates or testing I can do but it seems most of the time I am just reading the same thing over and over from all these guys asking the same stupid question.

At the end of the day, 8.1 is only available through the windows store, it's not coming through windows update, so it's entirely up to you if you want to use it, I am sure there will continue to be security updates for the 8.0 release, so if the 8.1 release brings nothing that anybody wants and only continues to lock down the OS even more then we can just skip it all together.

Not to worry mate, as long as this problem doesn't cause problems else where more important, that sidebar has options to turn off the aero glass effect anyway, so if anyone wants to use it they still can, I think by the looks of it MS was having problems using aero in Windows 8, probably the real reason they dropped it, probably ran out of time and rather then delaying the release to work them out, they went for the easy alternative to disable it instead.