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MrMateczko said: > 137GB patch is required if you have a Win98SE partition that exists (in part or fully) beyond > the first 137GB portion of the disk, regardless how big it is. > In other words, if Win98SE needs to access any data beyond the 137GB position, > counting from the beginning, it is needed. > Yes, I always made 98SE partitions at the beginning of the disk. Seems like the easiest thing to avoid all problems. https://msfn.org/board/topic/177106-running-vanilla-windows-98-in-2019/?do=findComment&comment=1174559 dencorso said: > The so called 137 GB limit is due to the use of 28-bit LBA. With just 28 bits, the biggest number > that can be represented is 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 = 268,435,455 > so one can count from sector 0 to sector 268,435,455. Ala in all that gives a total of > 268,435,456 x 512 bytes (512 being the lenght of one sector) = 137438953472 bytes~wich is ca. 137.4 GB or exactly 128 GiB. > However, the system is interessed in addresses, so a partition starting right at the begining of the disk > can have any of its sectors addressed using just 28 bits. But no sector beyond that point can be addressed at all. > The solution is to patch the correct system file for it to use 48 bits, instead of 28, which is what both LLXX's and RLoew's patches actually do. Thank you both. So it's hopeless on unpatched systems, all partitions TOGETHER must not be larger as 128/137, and the rest of larger disks remains unpartitioned, wasted space. Oh well. I did have a look at those patches, but they consist of so many files, and come with notes that also this or that other stuff must be checked, and when starting to read up on that it involves yet more files, which have their own "and also check" notes, leading to yet more... yikes...feels like a too high suicide risk for a main system. All those system files seem so interconnected, creating so many landmines when conflicting, like above the warning to not install any NTFS driver. Or elsewhere a warning of not using MBR-restore tools after a certain update, etc. Too complicated :-( At least am slowly getting an idea why most people claim that larger disks are working if partitioned, or that in mobile phones larger sd-cards are working, while only a few contradict: one of my rarely used USB backup disks, containing several 30GB partitions, has some weird "bug": partition #4 claims to be all empty, although it's half full. Can read and write fine, all works normal, except that the system claims that those 14GB content were only 60MB, and the whole partition still had 30GB empty space! So the probs with larger disks (or sd-cards) may only start when no space is left, yet the system doesn't realize it...

It's interesting how our opinions are at the same time so much opposite and so much alike. Like you, I'm also avoiding javascript wherever possible at all. Like you, I'm also very hesitant of messing too much with system stuff. Although in my case, that's mainly due to lack of self-help skills, aside from making a complete backup of win folder etc. before experimenting. Especially fearing all sorts of possible side-effects which may show up only much later. That's why so far I didn't manage yet to replace those two core files you mentioned (but meanwhile high on my todo list) On the other hand, although I was "forced" to try and install KernelEx to get some crucial newer apps running, I absolutely love about the old, stable version 4.5.2 that it could be installed with a DEFAULT setting OFF. That means it's NOT ACTIVE by default, the system and all apps still use the original files. Except those apps with a compat-setting in their properties get tweaked system files, and only in RAM. Only OLDER or NEWER versions as Kex4.5.2 have given me much trouble. Long ago, the very first installation attempt with a yet OLDER version was a disaster, because after uninstalling it again (for some forgotten reason), the original kernel dll file was also deleted and Windows didn't start anymore! Luckily, I could copy it over from a backup folder, using DOS, and all was fine again, but was quite a sweat. This ancient version had still replaced the system files physically. Since Kex452 that bug was fixed and the system files get replaced in RAM only, if I got that right (?) And yet newer versions, like Kex4.5.16/17, which I was again "forced" to install to get KM-Goanna74 and other stuff running, gave me different killer probs: the "default=off" setting doesn't work anymore, a real disaster, and it's not even possible to completely disable it in single app settings. Well possible I did something wrong while updating, for lack of clue, but now some native, old Win98 apps are broken. On the other hand of course, some newer apps starting working, especially can't live without KG74. My hope is that a future stable Kex version will allow a default-OFF setting again, but for the time being am mighty glad to have a much younger fallback browser.

GRRR.... sorry must vent. As was reported already a few days somewhere (?) Wikipedia now completely blocks old browsers too, by accepting ONLY TLS1.2 ciphers. Which makes IMO absolutely no sense if a reader's browser just isn't able to use it, and the reader only wants to see a public page, but have already ranted a bit about that in another topic. But to add insult to injury, and what makes Wikipedia now even much WORSE as github, twitter, sourceforge, developer.mozilla.org and countless other blocked public sites: Wikipedia immediately REDIRECTS old browsers to a fix URL warning page: https://en.wikipedia.org/sec-warning That means they even destroy the original target URL! And that means in old browsers it's not even possible anymore to copy the target URL from the blocked page for copy/pasting into a fallback browser. > Wikipedia is making the site more secure. You are using an old web browser that will not be able > to connect to Wikipedia in the future. Please update your device or contact your IT administrator. > We are removing support for insecure TLS protocol versions, specifically TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1, > which your browser software relies on to connect to our sites. This is usually caused by using > some ancient browser or user agents like old Android smartphones. > Also it could be interference from corporate or personal "Web Security" software which > actually downgrades connection security. For now my only lousy workaround will be to make my kmeleon redirecting macro to automatically replace all wikipedia links with something like xxxwikipedia on middle-click, in order to retain at least the URL. The other alternative would be to redirect them all to googlecache or googleweblight automatically too, but want to decide that case-by-case. Then again, perhaps they'll remove that killer redirect again next year? This sounds like it: > You must upgrade your browser or otherwise fix this issue to access our sites. > This message will remain until Jan 1, 2020. > After that date, your browser will not be able to establish a connection to our servers at all.

Sigh, all that stuff about hard disk limits and probs I've been wondering about for years, but just can't get "system" stuff memorized. Too complicated and over my head and especially just way too much stuff, only for use once in a blue moon and a week later forgotten again :-( Finally awhile back, had the impression that even without all those updated system commands (scandisk etc) all is safe if simply no partition is bigger as 137GB. But now have read a few posts above, slightly shocked again, that it were a dead horse and not true, so back to square one. Sigh. And now this: dencorso said: > Moreover, if one puts the 137 GB partition at the end of the HDD, instead of the beginning of it, > then corruption will occur in unpatched systems, even in DOS 16-bit compatibility mode. Still riddling and trying to understand... so a new theory/guess: could this perhaps mean that still everything is safe if all partitions are smaller as 137GB, just as long as the SYSTEM is in the first one??

https://msfn.org/board/topic/152471-kernelex-apps-compatibility-list-new/page/33/?tab=comments#comment-1174556 > ....Puppy Linux for 98... > KernelEx is not required. Any questions just PM or post on the vanilla Windows thread, no sense cluttering KernelEx. > FYI - It's a multi-boot, you'll be running Linux, not downloading from Windows 98. > You can also set up much newer Puppy versions, as outlined. Yes this thread is really about Win98+Linux (=vanilla98, but Win98+KernelEx is less vanilla? depending on viewpoint ;D) Not sure but perhaps it would be a good idea to also add Linux to the topic title?

HA! Figured out a little waybackmachine trick, when an addon xpi isn't archived. of course it will not help if really not archived, but great if the culprit is just the query: crop the end of the xpi URL at "?" https://web.archive.org/web/20/https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/860538/behind_the_overlay-0.1.6-an+fx.xpi?src=dp-btn-primary (and the /20/ means as usual, look for the closest date starting with 20xxx)

Jarsin said: > What switches in about:config did you use to connect to sourceforge with retrozilla? Not really, it always just worked. Just have lots of default stuff tweaked, or rather blocked all sorts of stuff. Now tested toggling a few settings, trying to get broken ciphers, but no chance ;-) Perhaps it's the build? Used retrozilla 2.0 from 20180504 and with 2.2 from 20180708 In 2.0 (FF2) SF Page properties say it's connecting with AES-128-GCM 128bit Or - could it perhaps be SSE related? Probably not, just riddling. Thanks for the Lynx link. But am never using setups if avoidable at all, only portable builds. And more doubts because the homepage says it requires msvcr120 now, but last time I tried that didn't run in my OS yet. Oh well, may try it in the future perhaps, when having more time.

> I think Retrozilla 2.2 will not be able to negotiate 1.2TLS with sourceforge > and github nowadays, at least here I'm not able to do so. Just a quick little test, those pages are refused in KM1.6 but work OKAY with my Retrozilla: https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/releases https://sourceforge.net/projects/kmeleon/files/k-meleon-dev/ (SF: and after loading must kill styles to unhide the file list and links) My current Retrozilla is Roytam's 2.2 version, just because I got it first and it works. Some day will try the original authors younger 2.2 version too. The forum comments sound like it probably contains yet more ciphers, and has that additional aboutconfig trick mentioned above. > K-Meleon 74rv:38.9 for winnt 2000 runs stable on my Windows 10, but not on Windows 98. > It freezes like I mentioned before for Firefox 23.0. So I'm not sure what I'm missing, > maybe some additional Servicepacks or dll files, that I don't know. You're mainly missing that it's build for Win2000, not Win98 ;-) Luckily it runs anyway, but with some killer bugs. Just curious, have you tried if your better system has the same bugs that I mentioned above? Freezing in general: of course I'm blocking javascript wherever possible, or would constantly run into freezes too. Perhaps that's why Lynx works better for you? (PS: where can I get that updated version?) But even with blocked JS my KM1.6 and KG74 freeze temporarily while loading heavy new pages. Not all, not instantly, only a bit later. There are hints it may be related to loading external resources (images etc.) after the main document was already downloaded and "Ready", just not finished with parsing yet.

Opera 12.18: > Apparently - it was even mentioned on MSFN forums somewhere - You cannot, but you can use > some files from the 12.18 install on 12.02 install, like Opera.dll and gstreamer folder, I think. I know what you mean, but nope, that turned out a dead end. Just recently was also confirmed in that topic. Had just wondered if it might be possible anyway in your heavily updated 98, since you can even start KM75.

Yeah, if I could, I'd definitely prefer Win2000 too, since LOTS more stuff runs on it. But just curious, while you have that super-updated 98 version: Would Opera 12.18 run on it? (last presto, got cipher updates as farewell surprise present) With win98 and basic old KernelEx the last version was Opera 12.02 for years, much older, but it must have been incredibly advanced at its time, containing already some TLS1.2 ciphers. Or whatever, at any rate it had access on almost all sites until just 1 year ago, when Google started trying to force all website owners to kick old browsers out. So meanwhile Opera12.02 started failing too. Could still kick myself for not discovering it earlier, could have saved me from lots of broken websites before roytam came to rescue.

Wunderbar98 said: > Of course, rendering is poor compared to a modern browsing experience, > JavaScript engine is dysfunctional and many sites still don't load, take what you can get. > To me this drawn out testing experience was worth it. Secure and functional online access > remains the primary obstacle from keeping Windows 98 fully viable. > IMHO I am now using the best browser for this old system. Well yeah, just always keeping in mind it's only a personal decision to keep those obstacles as high as any possible. By sticking strictly to ancient "vanilla" version and not installing even the tiniest updates, just for purity. In reality, users who'd like to use better browsers can of course install KernelEx. That makes the obstacles about half as high only, huge difference. And the system still remains win98. Yes we all know this here and I'm aware it's just done for experimental reasons, just a little reminder for later passing readers ;-) Bruninho said: > If KernelEx with updates on Windows 98 is supposed to make possible to run XP-like apps, > then why it doesn't work in practice for SeaMonkey? Something must be missing. That's a misunderstanding. KernelEx doesn't make that "all" XP-apps work, only some. Especially those which are unnecessarily blocked. For example when a setup.exe checks the system and then cancels without even trying, the KernelEx compatibility setting (chosen by user in the exe properties) makes apps believe they were running on another system. And it helps to start some apps which are "mostly" working, just missing a few minor features. Better partly running as not at all. Especially apps which are checking at startup the existance of all sorts of system features by default, when not even needing some of them. KernelEx provides "stubs" for some of those missing system features, pretending those would exist, when in reality they still don't. I think it's also creating some real replacement features, but that's dev stuff, this water is getting too deep for me, no clue. Not sure how big the current version is, but the slightly older ones had a setup size of only 0.3MB. This alone shows already that it can't contain lots of new functions. And the dev wrote recently again that newer versions replace the original system files only in RAM, not physically anymore, really like this.

By the way, one of my worst probs with KG74 on 98se is some weird killer bug: for every single link on a page it seems to wait for something that never happens, and timeout obviously about 0.2sec, and the prob is: all those timeouts are cumulative! My homepage is a local link list, about 200 links, and it takes FOREVER to show up! Even when set offline. Same for webpages, the more links they contain, the longer KG74 "sleeps" before showing anything at all. Am always wondering: does anyone else have that prob too?? Perhaps on your much more updated machine this doesn't happen...? Ah right, and my killer bug #2 (there are yet more): after loading a LOCAL page, and THEN opening a web page, the whole browser crashes! Hmm... or was it only the second webpage? At any rate I must NOT open any local pages when planning to do some WEB surfing afterwards in the same session :( PS: is that your default useragent? Windows NT 6.2 is Windows8! So you're running it KM with Win8 compat? Very interesting.... At the moment I have a fresh backup of my system partition, am starting to feel a bit experimental again, but only in little steps ;-)

Jarsin said: > was curious about windows 98 in virtualbox and read about kernelex 4.5.2 and 4.5.2018.23, > sddwin 7beta, Servicepacks 29459 winboard Updatepack 1.2 Win98, sesp2d_de.exe > (but on a english system), U98sesp3.exe (v3.64? preferences>ver) So you have win98 (first or SE?) in a virtualbox, with kernelex, and a whole bunch of oter updates. This starts K-Meleon75? Cool! I have only kernelex16 or 17, and my most modern running browser is roytam1's special KM-Goanna74 build for native Win2000, and updated TLS1.2. Win98 needs KernelEx-compat set to Win2000. Downloading from github+SF works fine with it, no prob. Just sadly can use it only as fallback browser, since KG74 is generally very buggy yet on my less-updated 98se, but am sure those bugs are only partly related to the system. The older KM74-gecko had a bunch of 'normal' bugs too, not system related, which were slowly fixed until KM76. KM75 had a couple old bugs too, in younger systems. With Retrozilla downloads on github+SF are working too, last time I tried, unless that has meanwhile changed again. Hmm, perhaps I should mention that I'm browsing without javascript whenever possible, otherwise quickly freezing, and of course for security. If that means page elements are hidden, killing styles often makes them visible again. LOL! I see you found KMG74 already, am just 10 min late :D

Firefox THEMES VistaLover said: > Your only source of Complete Firefox Themes currently is what has been salvaged from AMO by the web archive Am shocked. Again :-( What a loss, what a senseless destruction frenzy by the Mozilla boss again, of precious, hard work. And even only 1 backup left, which can vanish any day too. So my idea was now to download at least this one as example skin, if ever needing one some day. And fell into another shock, whoa: 2MB per skin! and a new one needed for every new FF version! And with tons of bugfixes, over 140 versions! And double as many again for Linux! Ouff.... am giving up, not enough space even when saving only a dozen versions, plus Linux, would be already whopping 50MB. Considering that 140x2x2 together make about half a GB to store, for just 1 theme - frankly, am starting to understand the CAA maintainer...

> The current plan is to fork the project with ongoing development continuing as 4.5.2020. > 4.5.2016 API support will then be slimmed down to XP and below for stability. (Kexstubs will still be supported.) > (Or should 4.5.20 be the slimmed version and 4.?? or 5.0 the ongoing?) Just my opinion, but I've never seen much logic in keeping the same old main versions forever in any product, and only counting up the X.X.X.xxx sub numbers, despite major updates. Like the old gecko engines too, e.g. 1.8.1.xx, and some day Mozilla jumped to the exact other extreme. Or Seamonkey too, also gives the wrong impression of being a very early product version yet, when seeing that it's still only version 2.x Seeing a lot of development going on for KernelEx too since the good old 4.5.2 version, it IMO deserves a new main number long since too. Perhaps 5.x for max XP and 6.0 for new developments. Also like the years as part of version numbers. KernelEx2019+2020, why not. Just saying ;-)

screengrabs: searching around in my folders, the one I played with was probably just this prefbar button. Was starting that little research with the prefbar-button code since chances are hopefully higher to somehow figure out a standalone-script for KM: https://web.archive.org/web/20161022040647/http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/buttons.html#pagetoimage No idea why it's not listed in the current page anymore :-/ There's also a (german) discussion of this button and some size limits here (set useragent IE7 to view in old browser): https://groups.google.com/d/topic/de.comm.software.mozilla.browser/blXaEn3GQ1Q But so far haven't spend much time on those experiments yet, due to eternal KM-prob with addonpower scripts being forbidden outside of chrome-pages, and the eternal jsbridge riddles for the GUI :-( Am sure there is some trick possible to give addon-scripts access to websites too, especially after figuring out that narumans old KM74+1 build can actually list page properties a la Firefox too, but so far still way over my head and will require huge amount of time, due to almost zero clue of addons and of even just plain JS. Also have saved two other screenshot-addons it seems, will try to get ScreenGrab too.

Firefox3.6: Wunder98 said: > Thanks for the Firefox v3 link @siria. Unfortunately the 7z file does not come as an installer > and attempting to run firefox.exe results in an illegal operation stack fault failure Huh??? Have always used portable programs if any possible, and definitely only unzipped Fx36 too and it works. So am now slightly shocked. But it's been awhile, and there's a good possibility it's just profile related. Of coursing sharing the same profile among different browser versions is quite unhealthy. Did you try with a separate profile instead? Incidentally, roytam has even included a PORTABLE profile inside already :-) To use it, Firefox can be started with the BAT file in its root folder, instead of starting firefox.exe directly. Or better, create an all NEW profile for it, using the profile manager. By adding "-P" in the start shortcut: firefox.exe -P It's also possible to have that profile manager show up at every startup automatically, even without adding "-P" When already open, it has a checkbox for this setting. Or alternatively, that setting can be edited manually too, inside file "profiles.ini", by setting StartWithLastProfile=0 > It is evident vanilla Windows 98 is becoming more limited all the time. After months of success, > Wikipedia failed today using all three browsers, even newer useragents: Wikipedia is getting killed now too, without any need? Oh no.... ARRGH!! And GRRRR.... they know full well they're neither a banking nor a shopping site, and that their info is absolutely needed by everyone. So they know full well that intentionally forbidding to just READ their sites at all is far more HARMFUL and DAMAGING to readers as just getting it with lower encryption or even unencrypted. This is a PUBLIC site! Forbidding to just read it only increases any possible damage for users, so it would make absolutely zero sense, except them just openly joining now the war of the other monopolies against the population too. With the only goal to make sure that absolutely no one can escape their much more powerful SPYING and tracking possibilities anymore, contained in younger browsers :-(( Shame on them. Luckily even for VANILLA Win98 there are still the TLS-updated browsers mentioned already. Not for banking of course, but to access at least harmless public content without need for proxies or vpn, which are great spying tools too. Strongly hope the portable profile helps for Firefox3.6, but if not, there's still Retrozilla. Although unbearably ancient engine, era FF2, but with working TLS1.2. I keep wondering why you don't like to use it even as fallback for broken ciphers. Or do you...? Possibly when talking about Seamonkey, really meaning the retrozilla-builds? Meanwhile a few supermodern sites are even blocking public pages with older TLS1.2 in those updated browsers too, but so far only a few. And suppose future new builds will contain more cipher updates too. Screenshots: am using FastStone Capture, old version 5.3, was freeware at the time. Quite popular and fantastic tool which can even grab complete webpages in my KM1.6. Including tooltips, and option for mouse cursor etc. Just sadly occasional stuttering or hickups, probably RAM related. Made a macro long ago to start it from inside KM, but later found it to run more stable when starting it directly, standalone. So just for quick info: http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?9,100997 Not quite sure if FSCapture was running on Vanilla already, but well likely, since I always had KernelEx installed with "default=off", and my start shortcut contains no special Kex-setting. Strangely Faststone's auto-scroll-grabbing doesn't seem to work in old Firefox at all, but never investigated this closer. Well possible just some browser setting involved, or even just too little RAM again, running fallback browsers usually parallel to main browser. But for Firefox, for grabbing whole-page-screens, there's an even better FF-addon out there, much faster and no hickups (just quickly tried it once somewhere, as proof of concept, now forgot details). Would LOVE to get this FF-addon running in KM too, but no clue how. Or using any other systemwide method to grab complete webpages, just how?

@Wunderbar98 There might be a misunderstanding, but I'm not using this Dillo browser, know zero about it nor have it installed, nor ever seen anywhere except in your posts. Only meanwhile realized it's a Linux app, which for me is the same as "from outer space, can't use". When I'm forced to use a fallback browser, necessary for modern TLS, there's already Roytam's Retrozilla version and his Firefox3.6 (both work in vanilla98) and K-Meleon-Goanna74 (KernelEx2016), all with familiar gecko engine at least. Would not recommend you to consider seriously ancient KM1.5.4 in your vanilla 98. It's engine is much older as in KM1.6 with KernelEx, with crucial features missing, and of course TLS extremely broken too. If you want to use an ancient browser with those TLS probs anyway, you're better off sticking to your own favorite browser, as I do too. It just makes no sense to replace one broken browser with another broken one. As fallback for vanilla98 I'd recommand roytam's Firefox 3.6, since it has a much better engine as FF2: http://o.rths.ml/gpc/files1.rt/fx36vc71-20171108.7z Regarding google, would try killing css-styles. For me that often helps to get blocked or hidden stuff working (for example the Edit-button here ;-) (PS: meanwhile figured out that my old system has only SSE, not SSE2 as wrongly guessed recently)

msfntor said: > Ah, in Application Data , I see now, thank you Mathwiz for this screenshot! Ouch... Attention! Now you're confusing again something important: the screenshot (and further info) is great but was only meant to show you that "profiles.ini" exists, nothing else. It does NOT mean that all profiles of everyone else are always found in the same path too. Although it's the most usual and the default path, but still not 100% reliable: different users with different browser types or installation methods etc. can have different profile paths too. So if you don't verify your own path, you risk backing up the wrong folder. Borrowing VistaLover's screenshot from above again :-) Simply click on the marked BUTTON below! This is the ONLY 100% reliable way to open your real, current PROFILE folder. And when that folder is open, step 2 levels higher (provided you do do know how to step higher?)

ClassicNick said: > I personally would like to see a build of K-Meleon 1.5.x with TLS 1.2 support, > or a build of RZ browser (Firefox Community Edition) 3.6.x. The prob with KM1.5 is that's it's SO extremely old (Firefox2), that really crucial functions are missing. For example in javascript doc.querySelector(), or in CSS break-word, the ability to wrap lines with superlong words by force-breaking those, or macrolanguage has no return-function for injectJS, etc. But luckily even in vanilla98 it's not necessary anymore to use such ancient builds. Roytam created a fully functioning Firefox3.6 already two years ago, so it surely would be possible to create a vanilla98 version of KM1.6/1.7 too. Awhile back have posted a little list of his retro builds here: https://msfn.org/board/topic/178351-what-software-developed-by-roytam1-do-you-use/?tab=comments#comment-1163104

msfntor said: > When sorting the new profile, I'm afraid of losing my bookmarks and extensions - I've never done this... Open page about:support, and look for the button or link to open the Profile folder. In normal Mozilla browsers this contains everything of the current user profile. All settings, bookmarks, history, extensions etc. (except in K-Meleon, which has more stuff shattered elsewhere) Then step 1 level higher, there should be a file "profiles.ini" - right? Make a backup copy of that whole folder and you're safe. To be 100% sure, you could even copy the whole browser folder. Now open "profiles.ini" in a text editor (notepad), and find this line: StartWithLastProfile=1 "1" means "true" and means for the browser: if several profiles exist, do NOT ask user at startup which he wants to use this time, just start with the last used profile. You can change this to 0 (=false = not automatic) and restart the browser. Now it should show the profile manager at startup with some options, incl. a button to "create" a new profile. The new profile will not replace the current one, it will just be an additional one. Am using myself multiple profiles for various reasons, find this very handy :-)

roytam1 said: > then I'd keep IA32 branch intact. what else build should I build? > as it is predicted pm28/bnav build will be almost the same performance as sp52 i430VX said: > I will try to think of a good thing, I suppose there is the question, what can you build that you haven't yet? LOL! Oh that's an easy choice, I for one am in growing desperate need of an OLDER K-Meleon version which runs fine on win98se with basic KernelEx (=KM1.6/1.7), just with modern ciphers built in. For example with the engine of Fx36 (3.6) Just strongly suspect that gracious offer was meaning non-SSE-related builds ;-) Guess I even have SSE2 (EDIT: oops, only SSE!), my prob is just that meanwhile 60-80% of all webpages are complete blocked in old browsers only due to missing ciphers. Again and again those *** ciphers! Who cares about old JS/CSS if you're not a fan of fancy social services or cloudy apps anyway, and must keep JS disabled for security and tiny RAM reasons too, but don't even get the html source of most websites today? KG74 is great as occasional life safer, but not for main use, it has a far too buggy GUI yet. Am sure those are just 'normal' bugs and could be solved rather easily some day once the reasons are figured out, just which exactly? Only know that e.g. upper/lowercase probs in the GUI cause crashing, under certain circumstances. But such fixes are not in sight at the horizon at all yet, and meanwhile just need those darn ciphers in a stable (old) KM, grmpf. Yes I know there's already a cipher-updated Fx3.6 by Roy, which runs fine. The prob is just I can't tweak FF to my needs (with highly complicated addons), only KM (with simpler macros and css, plus complicated JS more and more). KM1.6 (FF3.5): Am afraid the last sources weren't fully uploaded. The last official build was beta2, then KM went into hibernation and only the community posted important fixes and updates (until beta2.6, with last Seamonkey gecko engine). The prob is those updates are not stored in the SF-repo, nobody had access. But recently learned that after beta2 Dorian did actually create yet more fixes, which he hopefully uploaded too (are also used in the community builds), he just didn't get around to publish a completely package anymore: http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?1,122806 at bottom Additionally my hope is that even when a new build were based on an older repo version, it may be possible to just copy over some single files from the last community build. KM1.7 (FF3.6) was only available as very buggy alpha version. Especially macrolanguage badly broken, no injectJS at all, let alone JS returning anything, so could never use this either. A few people actually posted they were using it as main browser and it was running stable for them. But those were browsing with JS enabled and didn't use many macros. Some compiling hints were posted here http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?2,117161 looking4awayout said: > Interesting to see a K-Meleon based FF45 ESR SSE... I like the simple UI of K-Meleon > and porting it to FF45 would definitely reduce the strain on the CPU. Cool, am definitely not used to someone actually liking that "simple UI" :D Usually the prob is rather that this simplicity causes lots of "missing" functions, although many still do exist and work in the engine itself, just never made it into the GUI too for lack of dev time ;-)

msfntor said: > At the same time as I was logging in to MSFN via Serpent 55, I had an open Slimjet browser > avec Zenmate enabled (but not functionning - why?), maybe there was any influence on the behavior of Serpent 55... > If Zenmate extension enabled, I've this message page on all websites: > "Your connection is not secure. ..." Click Advanced --> "Peer's certificate has expired." > After disable my proxy extension, restart the page, website's content is here, OK. > This happens to me in all browsers where I've downloaded proxy extension: > Serpent 55, Serpent 52, New Moon 28, Firefox 45. For a long time. Sorry I know hardly anything about proxies, but your problem seems completely independant from browsers. My non-expert impression: the prob is only your systemwide, independant zenmate APP, which connects to its own server directly. Obviously your version is just too old, if it contains only outdated certs/ciphers. Or perhaps it uses the very old ciphers of the system. But the used browsers don't matter, since they get the data only afterwards. After the app has already downloaded them from its own server, using a direct connection and it's own outdated ciphers. Roytam's fresh builds certainly contain modern ciphers. You could try disabling that global app and connect with a normal browser proxy directly to the zenmate server, if knowing the necessary connection data, probably different for each fake country. Zenmate offers own browser addons, but only in WebExt type. For browsers using only 'legacy' power addons, a general proxy addon should work too, if IP etc is known. K-Meleon has a proxy function already built in, configuration in F2>Network/Performance>Proxy

It's been a longer while that I tried other search engines, but always found they are lacking important info, so was forced to stay with Google. Although strongly disliking the spying, but can't help it, and yahoo&Co are probably not much better either. While on the more private engines like DDG, IIRC was especially missing the page date. Although, meanwhile most google hits have no dates anymore either. And the other crucial goodie was always the direct cache links - which are now also gone of course. Aargh. But at least can open them now by menu, was not aware that was even possible until recently. The only catch is that not all pages are cached, what can only be figured out now after trying to open them. The obfuscated search links don't catch me, hehe - when using a middle-click to open them in background, what I've always done anyway, one of my macros reads the LinkURL and cleans it (if necessary) before opening the new tab. Am sure there exist also FF addons for that same purpose, have seen them in passing, but can't remember details. What's surprising me now is that you say you often get no clickable search hits at all anymore, very weird. But overall I really don't want to use proxies all the time. For occasional use G-cache and G-weblight are okay, but when it gets too much, still prefer to fire up a fallback browser.

> Funny, first read it to be google_we_blight not google_web_light :) LOL! That's brilliant xD Almost like they're hiding the truth in plain sight Thanks for yet more interesting cache links, will check and add them to my macro too. > The nearest date, interesting. Personally not interested in various archive dates I think you will soon be, when discovering those are especially important for old systems. For example when the current page only contains information about their newest software versions, and all older stuff is long since deleted. Or the current page is only readable with javascript, or only with modern javascript, or as mentioned above, only shows "not found" or 404 errors instead of e.g. Mozilla's former "legacy" version of a Firefox addon page etc. etc. > In vanilla the internet is fairly crippled. Without cached pages or a web-proxy at least 25% of pages fail to load. Sigh, in my impression meanwhile rather 60-80% of pages broken, not because of the system, only due to missing modern TLS in older browsers! :-(( Especially when it comes to researching any current stuff, like news or products. E.g. yesterday was googling around for smartphone models, and really most pages didn't even show up. Then have to fire up one of roytam's fallback browsers, which are lifesavers, but cannot use those as main browsers, either being not my beloved KM or too buggy yet. Speaking of googling: Just the last week google killed the classic search view too, yet another huge desaster :-(( At the moment only the normal page, while the image search still works, but sure will be next soon. No one else a prob with that? Had to waste two evenings again just struggling to figure out little css+js snippets, to get the results view bearable again (in KM1.6 without JS). And now have to toggle the useragent back+forth all the time too, for googling, grmpf. And found no way yet to figure out the number of hits without JS, argh.