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You can have it, I'll stick to winamp... @Tarun 5.05 is still on their website and most likely will still be for quite a while. But as for 2.95 I'm sure some ppl would appreciate as v2 has not been available for quite a while now

@jdoe I know it's not drive independant too. I understand not everybody has the same needs. I just mentionned it was easier in most cases (unless you don't have an english system or change the path - which will never happen around here, neither home, work, friends, ... It's always an option) Perhaps making a all languages/paths build is your goal, but it clearly isn't mine. I think it's still relevant. Using either one is no big deal, not much of a change to do (run regedit /s file.reg OR whatever.cmd)... or you can edit the .reg file and "replace all" by whatever program files happens to be in your own language or path you use if you wanted too. @Astalavista yep, that's my point. It may work for you, but it may not work so well for others - exactly my point. You either use it as is or not... Or you can use a basic installer like SiMoNsAyS' (or your own) which is easy to update (take new vers, change a couple lines in ini and use other setup.exe). Updating extensions is child's play if you use a batch post install- just replace the xpi files for whichever ones you want. As for the search plugins, I don't think you could ask for anything simpler either. Everybody is different and everybody will want (or *NOT* want) different extensions. I don't see much of a point of posting my own installer with my own preferences, bookmarks, extensions, skins, search plugins and such. Posting mine? SiMoNsAyS' installer is right here. After that, you can use a simple batch (which I did post) to install extensions and just extract the search plugins... Having it all in a msi file will not make it easier, it will mostly make it hard to update/customize, unless you release not the msi itself but the not-built-yet project, along with the scripts and everything fully documented (and even then it's a lot more work and reading to do). Ppl using msi's have to rebuild it every time (and if it wasn't done by you - you're at the mercy of whoever did it to come up with an updated one) and it's quite time consuming. Basic installer + stuff added after from a extensions dir and such can't be beat when it comes to maintainability/customizability. Anyone can take their own stuff and dump it in there, change to new vers, delete some or what not. Same goes for skins or search plugins. And if the main installer is updated, there's only that to change and it doesn't affect the extras. Like you said, to each their own.

No offense, but it's not eaxctly what I'd call kick a** - I still much prefer SiMoNsAyS' installer. To me, it's just another silent installer, but without most the plugins I use, a bunch I don't want (and while it's easy to automate adding plugins, you can't exactly automate removing them) and unwanted skins. It doesn't (seem to anyways) adress any of the 3 points I brought up either (mind you those points may not be much of a concern for you). Or perhaps there's a way to specify don't install the extra stuff - making it a bare installer with no advantages over any other installer... Don't take this wrong, it's not meant as an insult by any means. I'm sure it answers your needs, but it may be a better installer for you (and Astalavista?) than for other people (which is why I keep bringing up the customizability issue)... And thanks for sharing your work regardless. [edit] As for installing misc extensions post-install, I just gave it a try with v1.0 final again. I used this small test.cmd: @echo off for %%e in ("c:\temp\extensions\*.xpi") do "c:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -install-global-extension "%%e"(Some ppl mentionned needing a delay, but this way always worked 100% for me...) With all the extensions (*.xpi) inside C:\temp\extensions; ran the .cmd manually, waited about a minute (for like 30 some extensions), reopened firefox - everything installed perfectly. So there's hardly a need to include a bunch of them (other than those plugins SiMoNsAyS already has included in his installer). You could also have the xpi's and cmd inside a sfx to save a couple hundred kb I would suspect installing skins would works similarly too. (if you want, you could even peek inside the extension installers for user profile for plugin configs for things like WeatherFox or FoxyTunes - might have a look later) As for the search plugins, it's ridiculously easy to add/remove, they're kept in %ProgramFiles%\Mozilla Firefox\searchplugins. del /q %ProgramFiles%\Mozilla Firefox\searchplugins\*.* should get rid of all the ones currently installed and as for adding new ones go, you could (x)copy new ones over or have a sfx extract directly there... Nothing hard. Now if I could have an installer like SiMoNsAyS but using the optimized binaries I'd be all set (can't be too hard to do)

Maybe the screen is hidden, but afaik, it asks to reboot, and the only way to install it right now is to use AutoIt or repackaging it... Search, you'll see the CloneCD subject has been brought up before.

It was bought by AOL. So I'm pretty sure the money from buying the pro features went to AOL's pockets, and that way, they can't release the source either and couldn't be used in other apps otherwise either (unlike you don't care, like m$ taking code from sound forge 4.5 ) The coders all quitting seems to be due to them being trapped in a big corporation environment, and lawyers that don't want them to do anything so AOL doesn't get sued and such...

It's safe to delete. You could also try using some spyware scanners (some are freeware too)

[most of the people don't read the guide] Hmm, I thought this was the whole point of being here? [i tried to explain everything about firefox and the installer that is the main problem] Well, making a silent basic installer is very easy. (replace setup.exe, edit a ini file, repack/sfx it) I don't think it's an issue really. The only hard part is customizing it with your own stuff and user profiles. The way it installs and that the data is on the HD is rather confusing. Too many "chrome" folders, too much javascripts, xpi's, rdf's and everything... I'm not even sure what goes inside every directory (what they do) - especially about using GlobalProfile. The way you integrated your stuff is still half a mystery to me. More and more I'm starting to think it would just be better off copying most of the files as is (this is what I used to do with 0.9.3 and it worked flawlessly), and creating a GlobalProfile with everything already in it. But you seem concerned that it will only work on english systems - which is not a concern for me. (importing the registry part is easy - again, I use a .reg file instead of a cmd with tons of REG ADD - english systems only!) That way I could easily update/maintain it, use optimized builds, tewaks, and anybody could use their profiles as desired. So it looks like we're going to use different ways to install. [edit] after reading into it, there is no such thing as GlobalProfile, it's just some folder someone picked and uses to store a default profile along with yet another vbscript to fix it after installing, like in the first post of this thread... Oh well. Looks like we got work to do. As for your jar file association, it will probably break some apps (like ProjectX), and I don't have much of a use for it, but it should not be a major issue for most ppl. xpi should be fine.

K. I misread... "SDK".

No thanks

That does really suck. Maybe 5.05 will be the real "final" version. I'll continue using it anyways, but it's sad to see the best player die. Thanks AOL The only good side about that is, I guess I can finally make a all-in-one winamp pack, with winamp 5.05 customized how i want it, with DFX (and possibly MuchFX/RockSteady too), ASIO/KS plugins and everything else (all preconfigured)... As nothing will change anymore [edit] I just peeked at potential replacements and I guess I'll be using winamp 5.05 10 years from now... (foobar2k made me think "WTF is that? Is that even a music player?" and while iTunes seemed at least like some sort of a music player, it reminded me too much of windows media player or other jukebox type apps, takes all the screen, categorizes everything... plus long setup, background tasks and everything - no thanks)

My friend totoyMola has made a superior version. he is waiting for someone to host his msi. I am talking about kick a** msi. Well, the thing is, he doesn't mention what he's using or what will be included. And really, I don't think it really matters that much. What I'd like: 1) Optimized binaries and some optimized settings 2) A mega easy way to update ff with next build, same goes for extensions 3) If possible, have the extensions install for all users As for #1, it can't be that hard. #2 is my current major concern. #3 is less of a concern, but it would be nice. Currently, SiMoNsAyS' installer works fine for me. Unless you can come up with a solution that adresses issue #2, I hardly see any reasons to switch to anything else (as I can take care of #1, and #3 is just "nice to have"). I just need something we can update as we go, instead of relying on someone else to come up with a new msi of theirs, or spend a couple days with every build to come up with a new installer (too time consuming). I don't have much free time lately to look into it, but I'd like to come up with a overall solution to all this... I don't care if it's not really silent (progressbars showing) or isn't super compressed or things like that, it just has to work - and again be maintainable. I anybody else really has the time to maintain their packages like that too.

That's eactly what I'd say. Seems to find stuff about as good as spysweeper (a bit better than ad aware and spybot s&d), but the false positives are nearly ridiculous. I got at least a half dozen false positives last time I tried it, so I'm sticking to spysweeper instead (and kaspersky as AV). Unless you use IE and that you visit bad sites, you probably don't need anything more than that

Most FTP servers will let web browsers parse them, in some cases you'll have to let the users log in more than once per IP. BPFTP server is good, but I like G6 FTP server better (from the same company, just the "bigger brother" version of it), then after comes all the others... BTW, if you don't have a static IP, you can look into dynamic dns services too.

Hmm, .NET FW SP1 can be easily added to your install disc (you can do it yourself or download a pre-made one). Same for the sun java vm. As for the other updates, look for RyanVM's update pack v1.03 full. I won't prevent future updates, but at least it'll take care of everything until now. As for downloading future updates, there's another site where you can download them instead of windows update.

There is no "central" places like that. This is the best site (MSFN) and there's always a couple minor other places like AppDeploy. The big companies usually have the info and tools (Resouce Kits or what not) available on their own site for their corporate users along with knowledge bases and everything else. Most of their stuff usually have pretty good installers too, so they're not that much of a problem usually - unlike some small apps with 1 coder that uses crummy installers with sometimes no switches and such...

I got lots more to suggest, a good 30 to 40 different ones. @army20: bah. Why? I don't think anyone really cares about what your IP is... I can post mine if you'd like to know

Amen to that Jeremy! @gamehead200 by your screenshot I can see you haven't discovered the web Developper Toolbar, nor FoxyTunes, not WeatherFox, nor ... It's VERY addictive. As for the the "real url" thing being useful, uh, I'll take your word for it! @peachy yep, quirks mode SUCKS. But then again, the sites that force you to use it usually do too. The kind that still uses frames, tables for the lacking layout it has (if it has any), no CSS at all, and their HTML doesn't validate My CSS2/XHTML 1.1 strict sites have a doctype and everything validates, no quirks mode there. Too much webmasters don't have a clue.

Webserver: IIS could do fine, Apache is another alternative which is very much worth being looked into (and other apps as req'd; PHP, MySQL, other DBs and what not) Especially since IIS 5.1 is VERY limited - even if you edit the metabase. I'd rather even use a 2000 server box than a XP box for serving with IIS, but then again Apache would work fine and is considered by most as less vulnerable. FTP: Anything *BUT* IIS (it just uber super mega sucks at it). There's tons of good ones (incl some freeware ones). Google for "ftp server" and you'll find lots or look for reviews or ... Depending on your actual needs (or needs down the road, not long time but semi-long time...) win 2003 could be a better option (even though it's more $$ to cough up). I like to have one (or more, depending on network size) win 2003 server on a network, and XP pro on the desktop (that's if you're not the *nix type). Lots of ppl will end up using DCP, DNS, web services and other features from 2003 down the road, and 2003 has other advantages that pays off right now (such as IIS6).

BPFTP, then perhaps FlashFXP as a distant second choice

If they filter port21 it's for a reason. Most ISPs don't allow it (unless you pay for a commercial connection) so they won't support that. FTP server wise, we could answer your IIS issues, but I think the very best advice anyone could give you is - use another app for that. While IIS is ok for web pages (some prefer apache, but anyways - that's not my point) FTP wise, it's lacking at best. There's tons of good FTP servers out there, and there's even some freeware ones (and I can't imagine one that would suck more than IIS does at that job) -And that's coming from someone who uses IIS daily at work

Hmm, a ftp program - name unknown, and a single unheard of, discontinued audio app is all it takes you to turn your back to SP2? ... I use hundreds of app, and I have yet to see one glitch in any way because of SP2... The only issues I've seen people tell me about SP2 were non founded. Some things wouldn't run because of the old crappy M$ java VM (missing since SP1a, but some ppl were still running SP1 or SP-nothing), spyware related issues and such. SP2 works great. As for reverting to downbed-down, I have not noticed that. But that might depend on your user settings too. The only real annoyance to turn off immediately is the security center, then you'd swear just about nothing has changed (with my settings at least). The thing is too, I hardly "apply" SP2 to already installed PCs, I install XP with a slipstreamed SP2, works a lot better. As for spending 4 hours installing, that's why we use anuattended setups for I put my DVD in, wait an hour or 2 and I got a fully installed, fully customized and tweaked, ready-to-go PC (while I'm doing something else). As for the new security features (like, disable the security center service), I can't even see it possibly take over 15 minutes to "tweak". (and btw, not only you can have the security center disabled by default, you can completely get rid of it on your install disc) As for the PCs I installed it on, I'd say just about anything between 450MHz and 4GHz... Tons of them.

While I don't have the tweak handy right now (I could look at it later if needed), peek at HKCR\.AVI and the associated half (most likely HKCR\avifile) You could always rename them, then reinstall PowerDVD and let it take over the extensions and back up that... (maybe not the best way, but it would be easy to do) Personally, I wouldn't let PowerDVD touch my avi's

If you make an additionnal copy of them, it will take extra space on your disc - unless you optimize your disc. And I doubt it would be any faster. I mean, you still have as much data to copy from the CD to the HD... I haven't made any comparisions, but I doubt it changes the time noticeably.

sounds pretty obvious to me too...I think you'd be better off with another windows than a server OS for your uses anyways (like XP).

I know... Amazing how 5 skinned buttons and a window frame with scrollbar can be ugly... That's beyond me too