PCIe with Win98SE?

[rainyd]

My question is a very simple one: can PCIe graphic card (6600GT) work under Win98SE?. The motheboard maker (ASRock) states it should work but I have a problem. At the NVidia Windows 9x/ME drivers page the support for the GeForce 6 series GPUs is clearly specified for PCI Express and AGP version. Hovewer, during the driver's standard installation a message appears that this card is not supported by the driver. After manual driver installation the OS stop shortly after the Windows logo shows up. I would be grateful for any tip.

Config: 939Dual-SATA2, Athlon64 3200+, GEIL 512MB PC400 CL2,5, Galaxy 6600GT, ULi Integrated Driver 2.13, ForceWare 81.98.

Edited December 25, 2005 by rainyd

[Petr]

According to table 3.1 in Release Notes (v81.98) page 44 this adapter is not supported by Windows 98/ME driver.

Petr

[rainyd]

Petr, thank you for the answer unfortunately for me you're right.

[guest18]

manufacturer really should put warning on their package

I have the same motherboard as you except mine is socket 754

and apparently the driver provided by them doesnt work

thus I get my other network card to run

and found out that they no longer produce any driver for win98se

[bristols]

Seems that no NVidia PCI-E card has driver support for 98/ME.

Perhaps this thread could be used to document cards/chipsets that do have 98/ME driver support.

With this in mind and without further ado, here's a list of ATI chipsets that apparently qualify, via the use of the Catalyst Version 5.9 driver (for both 98/ME, although please note, support for these cards is specified as being beta only):

Radeon Xpress 200 series

Radeon X300 series

Radeon X550 series

Radeon X600 series

Radeon X700 series

Radeon X800 series

Radeon X850 series

The above list was taken from this ATI page (Referrer Logging needs to be switched on to load it).

By the way, does anyone know if any of the unofficial NVidia drivers provide support for PCI-E on 9x?

Hope to see more contributions to the above list.

Edited December 29, 2005 by bristols

[Bleeder]

Does ATI have a committment to future Catalyst releases for Windows 98SE/ME? Or is Catalyst 5.9 the last 98SE/ME release? I can't seem to find a support statement from ATI in regards to this.

I know Windows ME is arguably MS's worst 32-bit Windows release, but it was still sold preinstalled on millions of home and small-business PC's for 3 years (up thru q4 2003, a good 2 years after Windows XP Home was released). Either we're missing something (perhaps a beta Nvidia driver floating around out there), or ATI must really be raping Nvidia in the upgraders market.

[Fiodor]

Although production workers official do not support PCI-express inWin98, install some graphics

card on mainboard with PCI-express is possible. I have installed ASUS EN6600SILENCER on NVIDEA GeForce6600 on mainboard ASUS P5WD2 on 955X chipset with PCI Express.

At First it is necessary install support Intel Chipset ver.6.3.0.1007 and than – video driver ver.77.72_win9x. This procedure must makes handle: began unpack video driver and select update driver, than display list of all the drivers and then Have Disk.

[Petr]

Although production workers official do not support PCI-express inWin98, install some graphics

card on mainboard with PCI-express is possible. I have installed ASUS EN6600SILENCER on NVIDEA GeForce6600 on mainboard ASUS P5WD2 on 955X chipset with PCI Express.

At First it is necessary install support Intel Chipset ver.6.3.0.1007 and than – video driver ver.77.72_win9x. This procedure must makes handle: began unpack video driver and select update driver, than display list of all the drivers and then Have Disk.

This is interesting because I see no Win98SE support for 955X chipset (with ICH7R southbridge) in INF utility 6.3.0.1007. Have you modified the inf files? What IDE/SATA driver do you use?

Regarding Win98SE support of PCI-E version of GeForce6600, version 77.72 is the latest that supports PCI-E version of GeForce6600 or any newer (81.98) version can be used as well?

I have Gigabyte GA-8I955X Pro motherboard with the same chipset and PCI-E GeForce 6200 and I even not tried to install Windows 98 SE because of no support for 955X, ICH7R, PCI-E GF6200, ALC882... It would be interesting to know that it is possible.

Petr

[Fiodor]

Petr,

Realy, it is happen mistake in version inf utility. Correctly version is 6.21.1001 at sept 10, 2004.

I do not examination another drivers of Video Card, because for me this is enough, since time do not success install HD audio for ALC882.

Fiodor

[Petr]

Petr,

Realy, it is happen mistake in version inf utility. Correctly version is 6.21.1001 at sept 10, 2004.

I do not examination another drivers of Video Card, because for me this is enough, since time do not success install HD audio for ALC882.

Fiodor

Hi Fiodor,

version 6.21.1001 does not support 955X and ICH7R as well. Intel INF utility supports 915G/P/GV/GM/PM/GMS/910GML chipsets only, and then older 8xx chipsets.

Petr

[Fiodor]

Hi Fiodor,

version 6.21.1001 does not support 955X and ICH7R as well. Intel INF utility supports 915G/P/GV/GM/PM/GMS/910GML chipsets only, and then older 8xx chipsets.

Petr

Petr,

I am agree, but in documentanion on version 6.2.1.1001 indicate support down to Intel 925X:

New Features

Features Added in Production Version 6.2.1.1001

ID Description

1 Support for the Intel® 925XE Chipset. Updated Formal Name Strings to:

Intel® 925X/XE Memory Controller Hub - 2584

Intel® 925X/XE PCI Express Root Port - 2585

That’s fair for version 6.3.0.1007 too.

Question how much this is correct for last 9XX Intel Chipsets surround’s Win98? Apparently, not quite. However, that allows to install driver of graphics card, look capture photo.

FiodorWin98.zip

[Petr]

I am agree, but in documentanion on version 6.2.1.1001 indicate support down to Intel 925X:

New Features

Features Added in Production Version 6.2.1.1001

ID Description

1 Support for the Intel® 925XE Chipset. Updated Formal Name Strings to:

Intel® 925X/XE Memory Controller Hub - 2584

Intel® 925X/XE PCI Express Root Port - 2585

That’s fair for version 6.3.0.1007 too.

Question how much this is correct for last 9XX Intel Chipsets surround’s Win98? Apparently, not quite. However, that allows to install driver of graphics card, look capture photo.

FiodorWin98.zip

Hi Fiodor,

It's not correct for Windows 98 SE. If you look into ICH6\WIN98SE\ subdirectory,915.INF contains the following devices:

PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2580.DeviceDesc="Intel® 915G/P/GV Processor to I/O Controller - 2580"

PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2581.DeviceDesc="Intel® 915G/P/GV PCI Express Root Port - 2581"

nothing more, but the same file in ICH6\WIN2000\ subdirectory contains 915.INF with the following devices:

PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2580.DeviceDesc="Intel® 915G/P/GV Processor to I/O Controller - 2580"

PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2581.DeviceDesc="Intel® 915G/P/GV PCI Express Root Port - 2581"

PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2584.DeviceDesc="Intel® 925X/XE Memory Controller Hub - 2584"

PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2585.DeviceDesc="Intel® 925X/XE PCI Express Root Port - 2585"

This is exactly the same for INF utility ver. 6.3.0.1007 and 6.2.1.1001.

It means that 925X/XE northbridge is supported by Win2000/WXP/WS2003 INF files only, not by Win98SE and WinME.

But still you will get support of ICH6 southbridge.

Petr

[Petr]

I have installed ASUS EN6600SILENCER on NVIDEA GeForce6600 on mainboard ASUS P5WD2 on 955X chipset with PCI Express.

At First it is necessary install support Intel Chipset ver.6.3.0.1007 and than – video driver ver.77.72_win9x. This procedure must makes handle: began unpack video driver and select update driver, than display list of all the drivers and then Have Disk.

Does it mean that the right driver is not autodetected?

77.72 Win9x driver contains just one device, with PCI Device ID 00F2:

NVIDIA&DEV_00F2.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce 6600"

While 2K/XP driver contains two IDs, with PCI device ID 00F2 and 0141.

NVIDIA_NV43.DEV_0141.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6600"
NVIDIA_BR02.DEV_00F2.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce 6600 "

What is the PCI ID of ASUS EN6600 SILENCER? Is it 00F2 or 0141?

Edit: I just recognized that "BR02" means AGP bridge, then it is clear that your device ID should be 0141 and therefore you had to select the diver manually. Very good news is the fact that it works OK.

Petr

Edited January 22, 2006 by Petr

[Petr]

OK, so I was able to test Nvidia 6200 PCI-E in i955X motherboard and it works fine with manually selected driver:

I have also created INF files for i955X Express chipset: http://www.winpack.org/petr/i955X.zip and now everything looks correctly in the device manager:

Warning - Nvidia GeForce 6200 Turbo Cache does not work in Windows 98 SE!!

It seems that just GeForce 6200, 6600LE and 6600 are supported.

Petr

Edited January 24, 2006 by Petr

[RJARRRPCGP]

My question is a very simple one: can PCIe graphic card (6600GT) work under Win98SE?. The motheboard maker (ASRock) states it should work but I have a problem. At the NVidia Windows 9x/ME drivers page the support for the GeForce 6 series GPUs is clearly specified for PCI Express and AGP version. Hovewer, during the driver's standard installation a message appears that this card is not supported by the driver. After manual driver installation the OS stop shortly after the Windows logo shows up. I would be grateful for any tip.

Config: 939Dual-SATA2, Athlon64 3200+, GEIL 512MB PC400 CL2,5, Galaxy 6600GT, ULi Integrated Driver 2.13, ForceWare 81.98.

Nvidia.com is stubborn!

It sometimes lies that something is supported. I remembered a while ago, I decided to download and try nTune for my nForce 1 motherboard. Nvidia.com had nForce in the list. But, it refused to even continue the installation process with the error message saying that it requires at least a nForce 2!

The web site lied to me!

I thus believe the same thing happened to you! Be wary, because Nvidia's web site sometimes won't warn you that it's incompatible!