r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8!

[Jody Thornton]

7 minutes ago, VistaLover said:

In closing, I'm not being entitled or ungrateful towards the r3dfox author; huge thanks  from my side for what he has offered to me over the last two years or so  ...

I COMPLETELY agree @VistaLover.  By the way, you really did a complete job in your above assessment.  I'm also grateful to what @K4sum1 gave us.  But I also need to look after my needs.  While I hate that we have a Google-fied web, I've stopped worrying about the implications of all of the privacy issues we face.  It's not that I disagree with the level of concern, but it's that we REALLY can do nothing about it.  I need to perform online banking, watch and help produce videos on YouTube, use WebRTC to voice traffic reports, and take part in Zoom meetings, Google Meet and Teams Meetings, and apply for work; all which basically NECESSITATES providing a good chunk of personal information to proceed.  I don't agree with the corporate tactics, but I must continue to function.

It was indeed K4Sum1's project, as Pale Moon was Moonchild's.  What I feel these visionary types (who admittedly deserve a lot of credit for their work), fail to realize is that those that make up their user base are CONSUMERS or CUSTOMERS.  Now Moonchild and his "moonie minions" VEHEMENTLY disagree with that.  But customers are not just defined as those providing monetary exchange to a company or corporation for a product.  They can be those who provide voluntary stake to a company, or mission.  So in this way, those who co-develop alongside Moonchild, those who provide add-ons, those who beta test, and YES even those who simply (and regularly) USE Pale Moon, are indeed customers and stakeholders.

When someone creates a project, and it attracts users to the resulting product, such as in K4Sum1's r3dFox, expectations begin to be developed.  No matter if these expectations are right or wrong for the userbase to behold, they are real, and the developer needs to contend with them.  Those are simply the facts.  K4Sum1 provided a way for me to use Windows 8 on an extended basis, and you become reliant on that. When K4Sum1 understandably says, "I'm just not feeling it", it doesn't incite a favourable response among the userbase.  Fair?  Perhaps not, but it's a very real sentiment.

@K4sum1, I genuinely hope you are OK.

[VistaLover]

8 hours ago, ED_Sln said:

The repository on GitHub is archived

... And un-archived now : 

https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox

[ED_Sln]

7 hours ago, VistaLover said:

And un-archived now : 

Yes, and versions ESR 128.14.1 and 140.5.0 have already been released.

[VistaLover]

On 11/12/2025 at 4:03 PM, ED_Sln said:

and the website is down

21 hours ago, VistaLover said:

As for the Eclipse Board , they mention "Temporary maintenance" (stress on "temporary" is mine  ) ...

... Eclipse Board is now back on business  (technically, it never went off-line) ...

9 hours ago, ED_Sln said:

and versions ESR 128.14.1 and 140.5.0 have already been released.

.. But I'd be very wary of ; both have been LibreWolf-ified ; I'd make a profile back-up prior to updating, in case one decides to revert to the previous ESRs (128.12.0rc2 and 140.2.0, respectively); just sayin' , not suggesting people shouldn't update...

[NotHereToPlayGames]

I clearly haven't been following close enough.

I have no "d#mn clue" as to just what LibreWolf-ified means. 

I know what LibreWolf is (tried it several years ago, didn't like it, deleted it, never looked back).

[VistaLover]

32 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

I clearly haven't been following close enough.

I have no "d#mn clue" as to just what LibreWolf-ified means. 

Not my fault, really, but here you go: 

https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=7539#p7539

https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=7542#p7542

https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=7593#p7593

There was this r3dfox bug and the author (thought he) found the solution in one of LibreWolf's special "policies", but while he was "there", he decided to also implement several other LW policies into r3dfox; this is implied in the bolded wording of every new "LW-ified" r3dfox release, e.g. 128.14.1esr: 

Quote

NOTE: There are a bunch of changes made to this build which may break compatibility with websites and may change default settings. Please let me know if 128.14.1/140.5.0esr+ or 144+ breaks any websites for you.

Testimonies of breakage are to be found in the linked Eclipse Forum thread and in the GH issue tracker (recent open/closed issues), e.g. 

https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/issues?q= is%3Aissue state%3Aopen sort%3Aupdated-desc

https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/issues?q=is%3Aissue state%3Aclosed sort%3Aupdated-desc

What made me furious the most was this  ; but, as I wrote already, I'm only speaking for myself here; it may well be that the majority of the r3dfox users are still very happy to have got new releases with the latest security patches, courtesy of Mozilla  ..

As you often write, "moving on"  ...