Windows 10 ESU after 2025

[yoltboy01]

It‘s a little bit off topic but speaking of Windows 10 and Updates:

 

Microsoft has just announced the ESU program for Windows 10 after it‘s official EOL in 2025. They also mention private, home users being eligable of buying

 

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/windows?ranMID=24542&ranEAID=kXQk6*ivFEQ&ranSiteID=kXQk6.ivFEQ-Zsv5T8iNr8jGbUX_p2j0hw&epi=kXQk6.ivFEQ-Zsv5T8iNr8jGbUX_p2j0hw&irgwc=1&OCID=AIDcmm549zy227_aff_7593_1243925&tduid=(ir__x6m0fparuwkf63wsvfmaipyo1n2xbdjtlhiqkniz00)(7593)(1243925)(kXQk6.ivFEQ-Zsv5T8iNr8jGbUX_p2j0hw)()#what-options-do-i-have-for-continuing-to-use-versions-of-windows-10-that-reach-end-of-support-on-october-14--2025-

[DanR20]

Home users like myself will probably consider it if the price is reasonable. If Microsoft expects everyone to pay $300.00 per year they can forget it, especially since the security updates are going out anyway until January 2032 with IoT enterprise versions so it's not like it's a major expense for them.

[XPerceniol]

Well I don't usually do this copy/paste things from the net - but I figured I'd post this from betanews this groggy morning whilst drinking a green tea. Surely; but please don't call me Shirley ...I swear, if I read any more articles like this I'm gonna go bonkers ... wait .... I'm already bonkers (Oh ... don't be so shocked )

Thoughts?

https://betanews.com/2023/12/21/windows-10-240-million-pcs-e-waste/

Experts say the end of Windows 10 support could turn 240 million PCs into e-waste

The upcoming end of Windows 10 support may lead to hundreds of millions of devices becoming obsolete, potentially contributing significantly to electronic waste. The industry predicts that the end of Windows 10 support in 2024 will affect customers' refresh plans, with one in three devices expected to be replaced in the next two years.

Despite the growing capabilities of partners to refurbish and resell PCs, devices not supported by Windows 11 will not be viable for reuse, exacerbating the industry's e-waste problem.

SEE ALSO: Win10Privacy 5.0 gives you complete control over your privacy in Windows 10 and Windows 11

Market research firm Canalys predicts an 8 percent growth in the PC market by 2024, spurred by customers upgrading their pandemic-era PCs and the emergence of new AI-capable devices. However, the hardware requirements of Windows 11 may prevent many in-use devices from being refurbished for a second life.

Canalys estimates that around 240 million PCs will become e-waste when Windows 10 support ends in October 2025. Most of these devices, if in good condition, could be recycled, but their incompatibility with Windows 11 significantly reduces their value for refurbishment and resale.

While these PCs could still be usable for years, demand for devices no longer supported by Microsoft will be minimal, even among companies with tight IT budgets. Moreover, donating these devices to disadvantaged communities is not a viable or socially sustainable solution to bridging the digital divide.

In response to these concerns, Microsoft has announced that Extended Security Updates for Windows 10 will be available until October 2028, albeit for an unspecified annual fee. However, the cost of these updates may deter many users, pushing them to migrate to newer, Windows 11-capable PCs.

The e-waste implications of the end of Windows 10 support highlight the responsibility of device and operating system vendors to maximize the lifespan of their products. To support a circular economy, vendors must ensure their devices are durable, repairable, and recyclable, and remain usable and secure for as long as possible. However, without regulations to drive this change in the PC market, cross-industry collaboration may be the only solution to the technology sector's persistent e-waste problem.

Edited January 2, 2024 by XPerceniol

[DanR20]

On 1/2/2024 at 11:11 AM, XPerceniol said:

Experts say the end of Windows 10 support could turn 240 million PCs into e-waste

The upcoming end of Windows 10 support may lead to hundreds of millions of devices becoming obsolete, potentially contributing significantly to electronic waste. The industry predicts that the end of Windows 10 support in 2024 will affect customers' refresh plans, with one in three devices expected to be replaced in the next two years.

 

Microsoft is probably doing this to appease European countries who will sue and fine them at the drop of a hat for antitrust. Millions of computers being turned into junk over night is exactly what will do it.

[yoltboy01]

Strangly, Microsoft will add back Beta Chanel to Windows 10. 

Source: https://www.deskmodder.de/blog/2024/01/12/windows-10-testet-bald-neue-funktionen-im-beta-kanal/

[halohalo]

Microsoft provides a personal use one-year ESU option for $30. 

 

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2024/10/31/how-to-prepare-for-windows-10-end-of-support-by-moving-to-windows-11-today/

[Tripredacus]

On 1/2/2024 at 11:11 AM, XPerceniol said:

devices not supported by Windows 11 will not be viable for reuse

This is complete nonsense.

[legacyfan]

well according to the verge microsoft has opened up consumer esu purchases for only a one time 30$ purchase https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/31/24284398/microsoft-windows-10-extended-security-updates-consumer-pricing i don't know for how long that entails but at least there willing to open it up this time  

Edited November 1, 2024 by legacyfan

[halohalo]

5 hours ago, Tripredacus said:

This is complete nonsense.

Because these devices like NVIDIA's Kepler GPUs or AMD's Zen1 CPUs are no longer supported by manufacturers, which means latest security updates are not available.

Besides, I am sure NVIDIA's R550 Vulkan beta driver will be replaced by new driver branch which only works on Windows 11 compatible CPU when NVIDIA releases Blackwell GPUs in 2025, so old CPUs like AMD's Phenom2 or Intel's Core2 will be affected.

[legacyfan]

On 1/2/2024 at 10:11 AM, XPerceniol said:

Well I don't usually do this copy/paste things from the net - but I figured I'd post this from betanews this groggy morning whilst drinking a green tea. Surely; but please don't call me Shirley ...I swear, if I read any more articles like this I'm gonna go bonkers ... wait .... I'm already bonkers (Oh ... don't be so shocked )

Thoughts?

https://betanews.com/2023/12/21/windows-10-240-million-pcs-e-waste/

Experts say the end of Windows 10 support could turn 240 million PCs into e-waste

The upcoming end of Windows 10 support may lead to hundreds of millions of devices becoming obsolete, potentially contributing significantly to electronic waste. The industry predicts that the end of Windows 10 support in 2024 will affect customers' refresh plans, with one in three devices expected to be replaced in the next two years.

Despite the growing capabilities of partners to refurbish and resell PCs, devices not supported by Windows 11 will not be viable for reuse, exacerbating the industry's e-waste problem.

SEE ALSO: Win10Privacy 5.0 gives you complete control over your privacy in Windows 10 and Windows 11

Market research firm Canalys predicts an 8 percent growth in the PC market by 2024, spurred by customers upgrading their pandemic-era PCs and the emergence of new AI-capable devices. However, the hardware requirements of Windows 11 may prevent many in-use devices from being refurbished for a second life.

Canalys estimates that around 240 million PCs will become e-waste when Windows 10 support ends in October 2025. Most of these devices, if in good condition, could be recycled, but their incompatibility with Windows 11 significantly reduces their value for refurbishment and resale.

While these PCs could still be usable for years, demand for devices no longer supported by Microsoft will be minimal, even among companies with tight IT budgets. Moreover, donating these devices to disadvantaged communities is not a viable or socially sustainable solution to bridging the digital divide.

In response to these concerns, Microsoft has announced that Extended Security Updates for Windows 10 will be available until October 2028, albeit for an unspecified annual fee. However, the cost of these updates may deter many users, pushing them to migrate to newer, Windows 11-capable PCs.

The e-waste implications of the end of Windows 10 support highlight the responsibility of device and operating system vendors to maximize the lifespan of their products. To support a circular economy, vendors must ensure their devices are durable, repairable, and recyclable, and remain usable and secure for as long as possible. However, without regulations to drive this change in the PC market, cross-industry collaboration may be the only solution to the technology sector's persistent e-waste problem.

this will not be a concern anytime in the near future thanks in part to windows 10 consumer esu updates and the ltsc and ltsb releases which should keep old hardware running until at most 2031 at the latest

[halohalo]

Manufacturers follows "Windows as a service", so they just drop support for LTSB releases before EOS and change minimum OS requirement. Users of LTSB releases have to use outdated and vulnerable drivers, and ESU or LTSC releases will face same problem sooner or later.

Users of old hardware may not care about vulnerability issues, but I don't think users of new hardware can accept the fact. Another problem is Microsoft will provide security intelligence update for Microsoft Defender Antivirus through at least October 2028.

Edited November 1, 2024 by halohalo

[j7n]

I don't see how this offer provides value to an individual consumer. To him it might look similar to the technical support scams. I wouldn't install their updates or Defender if I was paid $30. They take up disk space, are known to sometimes bring anti-features. The exception being something that is actually useful for interoperability, like new SSL certificates (forced upon us by other companies) or a new USB generation, or another technology that happens to be refinement stage about now like the Vulkan thing. But these probably won't be made as part of "security" support.

[legacyfan]

12 hours ago, j7n said:

I don't see how this offer provides value to an individual consumer. To him it might look similar to the technical support scams. I wouldn't install their updates or Defender if I was paid $30. They take up disk space, are known to sometimes bring anti-features. The exception being something that is actually useful for interoperability, like new SSL certificates (forced upon us by other companies) or a new USB generation, or another technology that happens to be refinement stage about now like the Vulkan thing. But these probably won't be made as part of "security" support.

im sticking with windows 10 below 2004 as those were at least known for having the least amount of telemetry of the bunch plus Ive never had any update issues with anything everything after that is just extra weight i don't need on an os

Edited November 2, 2024 by legacyfan

[legacyfan]

On 1/2/2024 at 10:11 AM, XPerceniol said:

Well I don't usually do this copy/paste things from the net - but I figured I'd post this from betanews this groggy morning whilst drinking a green tea. Surely; but please don't call me Shirley ...I swear, if I read any more articles like this I'm gonna go bonkers ... wait .... I'm already bonkers (Oh ... don't be so shocked )

Thoughts?

https://betanews.com/2023/12/21/windows-10-240-million-pcs-e-waste/

Experts say the end of Windows 10 support could turn 240 million PCs into e-waste

The upcoming end of Windows 10 support may lead to hundreds of millions of devices becoming obsolete, potentially contributing significantly to electronic waste. The industry predicts that the end of Windows 10 support in 2024 will affect customers' refresh plans, with one in three devices expected to be replaced in the next two years.

Despite the growing capabilities of partners to refurbish and resell PCs, devices not supported by Windows 11 will not be viable for reuse, exacerbating the industry's e-waste problem.

SEE ALSO: Win10Privacy 5.0 gives you complete control over your privacy in Windows 10 and Windows 11

Market research firm Canalys predicts an 8 percent growth in the PC market by 2024, spurred by customers upgrading their pandemic-era PCs and the emergence of new AI-capable devices. However, the hardware requirements of Windows 11 may prevent many in-use devices from being refurbished for a second life.

Canalys estimates that around 240 million PCs will become e-waste when Windows 10 support ends in October 2025. Most of these devices, if in good condition, could be recycled, but their incompatibility with Windows 11 significantly reduces their value for refurbishment and resale.

While these PCs could still be usable for years, demand for devices no longer supported by Microsoft will be minimal, even among companies with tight IT budgets. Moreover, donating these devices to disadvantaged communities is not a viable or socially sustainable solution to bridging the digital divide.

In response to these concerns, Microsoft has announced that Extended Security Updates for Windows 10 will be available until October 2028, albeit for an unspecified annual fee. However, the cost of these updates may deter many users, pushing them to migrate to newer, Windows 11-capable PCs.

The e-waste implications of the end of Windows 10 support highlight the responsibility of device and operating system vendors to maximize the lifespan of their products. To support a circular economy, vendors must ensure their devices are durable, repairable, and recyclable, and remain usable and secure for as long as possible. However, without regulations to drive this change in the PC market, cross-industry collaboration may be the only solution to the technology sector's persistent e-waste problem.

this whole e-waste myth is getting a little crazy now as there are other options for how to reuse a old pc well past 2025 even using linux while i don't usually recommend it due to its terrible non ease of use is still one of the few best options besides downgrading to windows 7-XP and hoping everything still functions

Edited November 2, 2024 by legacyfan
better explanation to the question

[Sampei.Nihira]

After 2025, there is also the 0-patch solution:

https://0patch.com/