NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 22 Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Dave-H said: Ah, so they pile up if you've disabled the feedback telemetry that uses the files? That would make sense, but I'm surprised that @NotHereToPlayGames wouldn't have done that! Don't listen to unproven Conspiracy Theories. Totally disconnect yourself from the internet, disable your network card, you name it. *IF* this Conspiracy Theory were true, then a TOTALLY UNCONNECTED browser would pile these up left and right "because they were not successfuly sent". 2
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 22 Posted March 22 (edited) I cannot test this in Supermium (I have in the past) at the moment but give this as a Testing Method for anyone interested in PROVING THAT A BROWSERMETRICS FILE IS **NOT** "SENT" ANYWHERE. For one, the minimum file size for this BrowserMetrics file is 4 MB. That's a LARGE file and cannot be "sent" without catching it in the act, it just can't happen, 4 MB is HUGE and not a "blip on the radar" that a blink of the eye would "miss". 1) Launch System Informer or something similar so that you can see how many chrome.exe processes are running. 2) Launch DNSQuerySniffer or something similar to catch DNS activity. 3) Open your file explorer to where your BrowserMetrics file is written. 4) Launch Supermium - do not visit any web sites... let it sit IDLE for TWO FULL MINUTES... 5) Watch how many chrome.exe processes are running via System Informer or similar 6) You will see a chrome.exe process close - continue to not visit any web sites... continue to let sit IDLE... 7) You will see a couple more chrome.exe processes close - continue to not visit any web sites... continue to let sit IDLE... 8) You will see another chrome.exe process close and you will see a BrowserMetrics file eventually written - if not, exit Supermium, let all processes close, relaunch, and LET IT SIT IDLE... 9) Keep doing this over and over and over, launch Supermium, LET IT SIT IDLE, wait for BrowserMetrics to be created, exit, relaunch, LET IT SIT IDLE, over and over and over 10) NO DNS ENTRIES SHOULD EVER BE CREATED DURING ALL OF THIS I still only use Supermium R5. I have never witnessed it sending out BrowserMetrics. I only have one file that gets created, it deletes itself, then it recreates itself. I have never seen it being sent anywhere. Anything more than that, then I revert to this - submit on GitHub. Edited March 22 by NotHereToPlayGames
Saxon Posted March 22 Posted March 22 14 hours ago, Dave-H said: Ah, so they pile up if you've disabled the feedback telemetry that uses the files? I disabled everything I could, and I use the Ungoogled switch.
Saxon Posted March 22 Posted March 22 12 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: BROWSERMETRICS FILE Why is it created in the first place, even with the Ungoogled switch? Interesting procedure, but we can't observe 24/7 for it to not slip through with that sensitive information. 2
Saxon Posted March 22 Posted March 22 13 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Totally disconnect yourself from the internet, disable your network card, you name it. *IF* this Conspiracy Theory were true, then a TOTALLY UNCONNECTED browser would pile these up left and right "because they were not successfuly sent". Did that. and the browser still keeps to record the metrics on me. 4
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 22 Posted March 22 10 minutes ago, Saxon said: but we can't observe 24/7 I do! I don't stare at the logs while they are being written but if it lands in the log, then I know more needs done to axe telemetry. I read the log line by line each and ever day. 14 minutes ago, Saxon said: Why is it created in the first place AGREED! It should not be written in the first place! Recording the data is one thing. SENDING it is another. SENDING it is easy to prevent. Perhaps the Supermium developer took the "easy route" - record the data, but don't send it. Only a GitHub Issue would get the developer's response.
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 23 Posted March 23 It should also be noted that this has already been discussed at GitHub and the Supermium developer has already stated that Supermium's --ungoogled-supermium PREVENTS ANY POSSIBILITY OF THE TRANSMISSION OF THE DATA. Which, for the record, is how Official Ungoogled deals with BrowserMetrics also. Full read - https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/1110 Excerpt - 1
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 23 Posted March 23 17 hours ago, Klemper said: I also have one million of BrowserMetrics-spare.pma about 5mb each, lots of them. This really should scare the living sh&t out of you. Not to scare-tactic or anything, but the "normal" behavior is for there to only be ONE folder and ONE file. The folder is basically always there, the file is erased and recreated by the browser over and over and over. If I were you, I would rebuild my profile ONE STEP AT A TIME. First verify if I only have ONE folder and ONE file with a brand new profile !!! !!! !!! Then rebuild my profile ONE STEP AT A TIME, one variable changed at a time, and track down just what I did that made Supermium start acting NOT-NORMAL.
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 23 Posted March 23 17 hours ago, Saxon said: How can I prevent these folders - or at least tell Supermium to delete them after it quits? If you are serious about having Supermium delete them after it quits, this CAN EASILY BE DONE by adding Chrome++ to Supermium then adding one line to Chrome++'s .ini file to silently and invisibly run a .bat file every time you quit Supermium.
hidao Posted March 23 Posted March 23 25 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: If you are serious about having Supermium delete them after it quits, this CAN EASILY BE DONE by adding Chrome++ to Supermium then adding one line to Chrome++'s .ini file to silently and invisibly run a .bat file every time you quit Supermium. Chrome++ is a good project, unfortunately it doesn't support to XP... 1
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 23 Posted March 23 58 minutes ago, hidao said: Chrome++ is a good project, unfortunately it doesn't support to XP... Right you are! Apologies, I should have did a trial-run first. Still should be quite easy. I suspect that 360Chrome's "loader" can be configured to run Supermium. That "loader" has the ability to delete files when the browser that it launches is closed. I have not tried, but it "should" work. Would take several folder/config differences and is not just a "copy Supermium and overwrite 360Chrome" process. There are several other "loader" obtions as well. Or, even just a simple .bat file to launch Supermium (I myself prefer actual "loaders" over .bat files). But .bat files are "extremely easy" and anybody with a keyboard should be able to figure them out. 1
hidao Posted March 23 Posted March 23 1 hour ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Right you are! Apologies, I should have did a trial-run first. Still should be quite easy. I suspect that 360Chrome's "loader" can be configured to run Supermium. That "loader" has the ability to delete files when the browser that it launches is closed. I have not tried, but it "should" work. Would take several folder/config differences and is not just a "copy Supermium and overwrite 360Chrome" process. There are several other "loader" obtions as well. Or, even just a simple .bat file to launch Supermium (I myself prefer actual "loaders" over .bat files). But .bat files are "extremely easy" and anybody with a keyboard should be able to figure them out. You can try, welcome to share us the result...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted March 23 Posted March 23 33 minutes ago, hidao said: You can try I will not have the time. It's not a priority on my end because Widevine/Netflix does not work in Supermium.
hidao Posted March 23 Posted March 23 1 hour ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: I will not have the time. It's not a priority on my end because Widevine/Netflix does not work in Supermium. It's a bad news...
Dave-H Posted March 23 Posted March 23 5 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Right you are! Apologies, I should have did a trial-run first. Still should be quite easy. I suspect that 360Chrome's "loader" can be configured to run Supermium. That "loader" has the ability to delete files when the browser that it launches is closed. I have not tried, but it "should" work. Would take several folder/config differences and is not just a "copy Supermium and overwrite 360Chrome" process. There are several other "loader" obtions as well. Or, even just a simple .bat file to launch Supermium (I myself prefer actual "loaders" over .bat files). But .bat files are "extremely easy" and anybody with a keyboard should be able to figure them out. The 360Chrome loader works fine with Supermium, I use it on XP. I use Chrome+ on Windows 10. 1
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