mina7601 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 13 hours ago, j7n said: Why does this website show a grey screen for me in New Moon and Serpent and not work? https://www.radio-browser.info/ It looks rather plain and ugly in Opium with mostly text-based UI. No problems here in loading in latest Serpent (2023-10-12) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCyborg Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, j7n said: Why does this website show a grey screen for me in New Moon and Serpent and not work? https://www.radio-browser.info/ You're probably blocking JavaScript. This website is rendered client-side with JavaScript. The list of most-clicked streams doesn't open though. Looks like an issue with the website. Edited October 15, 2023 by UCyborg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j7n Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 What is an example of a WebGL page that can be accessed quickly, to test performance? In the past I visited a few such sites and played a browser game, but I don't recall the names of them. You had to disable "angle" because it attempted to translate all the calls into Direct3D, with a high CPU usage overhead, for no reason. CPU usually gets maxed out with modern (and not so modern) websites, and must be conserved. On any normal computer, including with Intel Graphics, you can play OpenGL Quake, and on a "modern" PC, even play Euro Truck Simulator 2. That's odd that the Radio Browser works for you, but doesn't for me. It's probably something I configured with JavaScript indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Markson Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 5 hours ago, j7n said: What is an example of a WebGL page that can be accessed quickly, to test performance? Here is a simple game that uses WEbGL. It's a nice example because it's quick to load and the website gives proper diagnostics for any missing browser features. https://play.ninjadoodle.com/clickplaypics/ Now, can someone tell me how to have it run under XP without maxing out the CPU? For me it idles at 75%. I'd always assumed it's down to limitations of XP – with the same browser under W7 the CPU is negligible. Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j7n Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 For me it also uses 70% of Core 2 Duo in New Moon 28 under Server 2008 R2. I haven't been able to reduce the CPU usage. The "game" won't start in Serpent. The interface stays black and says 100%. https://webglsamples.org/aquarium/aquarium.html I can launch 1000 fish in Serpent. 5000 fish max out the processor and the image is choppy around 40 fps. If I configure webgl.disable-angle = false, I can only launch 500 fish in Serpent. At 5000 fish the processor is overburdened and yields 10 fps. It's baffling that they included a slow translation layer by default. The image is always choppy in New Moon 28, and uses around 70% of the processor. I don't know what is up with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Markson Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 52 minutes ago, j7n said: The "game" won't start in Serpent. The interface stays black and says 100%. Okay, so that's curious, under Serpent, my example only runs if webgl.disable-angle = true otherwise, like you, I get a black screen and a console error: failed to acquire a renderer - check WebGL or WebGPU is supported. I've long decided that WebGL and XP just don't play well together – flash was vastly superior. Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 19 hours ago, UCyborg said: Download link for the curious, needs to be extracted in the folder of an actual web server as browsers' security protocols prevent access to certain resources through file:///. It loads without "an actual web server", if file "Lights.html" is drag-n-dropped on a Serpent 52 New Tab, provided you temporarily disable (from true to false) "security.fileuri.strict_origin_policy" pref: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j7n Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 I get the following: Timestamp: 10/15/2023 4:52:02 PM Error: uncaught exception: TypeError: Argument 1 of AudioContext.constructor '[object Object]' is not a valid value for enumeration AudioChannel. Timestamp: 10/15/2023 4:52:02 PM Warning: Error: WebGL warning: texSubImage2D: Conversion requires pixel reformatting. Source File: https://play.ninjadoodle.com/clickplaypics/scripts/c3runtime.js Line: 580 Timestamp: 10/15/2023 4:52:02 PM Error: uncaught exception: TypeError: Argument 1 of AudioContext.constructor '[object Object]' is not a valid value for enumeration AudioChannel. I don't know web development and how to interpret these errors. Some other WebGL runs, so it's not that simple that it doesn't work. Does the content from webglsamples.org run for you? OpenGL can run far more comples animations than Flash could on the CPU alone. Whether we need them on the web is another matter. I could download a game to the disk once with less effort than to tweak a browser. Simple drawings were faster in Flash than with other technologies. It was made back when Pentium II processors were in use. Remember gaming magazine front-ends built in Macromedia Director or Flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 10 hours ago, UCyborg said: The list of most-clicked streams doesn't open though. Looks like an issue with the website. Indeed, https://www.radio-browser.info/topclick leads nowhere ; one might use: https://www.radio-browser.info/search?page=1&hidebroken=true&order=clickcount&reverse=true to get that info, though ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, j7n said: Timestamp: 10/15/2023 4:52:02 PM Error: uncaught exception: TypeError: Argument 1 of AudioContext.constructor '[object Object]' is not a valid value for enumeration AudioChannel. I don't know web development and how to interpret these errors. This is probably Bugzilla bug #1361475 ; Mozilla fixed it in Firefox 55.0a1: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/68543862570f https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/55#web_audio_api Edited October 15, 2023 by VistaLover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roytam1 Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 hours ago, VistaLover said: This is probably Bugzilla bug #1361475 ; Mozilla fixed it in Firefox 55.0a1: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/68543862570f https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/55#web_audio_api but it is already done by upstream: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commit/a0d362b6e32ede456ce2bd50ad5b6b111ae25f58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j7n Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I updated to the latest Serpent. In-place updates seem to go smoothly with this browser. https://i.imgur.com/9gE6b14.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roytam1 Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/12/2023 at 11:49 PM, VistaLover said: Their code is still incomplete/bugged - those two prefs you mentioned simply turn that API off... FWIW, the same crash occurs on latest NM28 (32-bit) on the very same VK clips you referenced alright upstream noticed this and provide a partial fix for this: https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProductions/UXP/commit/d5020b69bd84b937de89b2aef5787bfdb4e37dac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Markson Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 hours ago, j7n said: I updated to the latest Serpent. You seem to be using a different Serpent to me... Ben. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j7n Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 It's the "55" version. I don't know what the differences between them are exactly, and assumed that is sligthly newer and better. The WebGL that work don't have any sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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