NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 6 Posted February 6 17 hours ago, sunryze said: I can count the amount of countries on one hand that are not a part of it. Absolutely bonkers. I'm not sure I follow. It's really not as "simplistic" as agreeing with the "agenda" of the Paris Agreement or not. And it is not like the USA and its companies are now off-the-hook for reporting greenhouse gas inventories because the USA remains in the UNFCCC (United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change). The Paris Agreement and the UNFCCC very much OVERLAP EACH OTHER. The UNFCCC, as of 2016, essentially, implements the Paris Agreement !!! In fact, one entity (the Paris Agreement) does not exist without the other entity (UNFCCC). UNFCCC supercedes the Paris Agreeement. The USA has not withdrawn from the UNFCCC. Such a withdrawal from UNFCC would require 2/3 majority senate vote. US Politics is far FAR too DIVIDED to ever think a 2/3 majority is possible.
D.Draker Posted February 6 Posted February 6 On 2/5/2025 at 11:44 AM, sunryze said: I can count the amount of countries on one hand that are not a part of it. Absolutely bonkers. I'm not sure I follow, either. You want to say you honestly believe that those others, still left there, fulfil their obligations? 1
D.Draker Posted February 6 Posted February 6 11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: the USA Which USA do you mean, in particular?
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, D.Draker said: Which USA do you mean, in particular? I really DO NOT CARE about your (and others here at MSFN) GRAMMAR POLICE TACTICS. It gets OLD and I wish "members" could be BANNED for being GRAMMER POLICE. But alas, "it isn't against forum rules". 1
D.Draker Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: I really DO NOT CARE about your (and others here at MSFN) GRAMMAR POLICE TACTICS. It gets OLD and I wish "members" could be BANNED for being GRAMMER POLICE. But alas, "it isn't against forum rules". The AI is stupid, it confuses "the US" with "the USA", I bet those who develop it are of no English, French or German origin. Go ahead and ask it about the climate to make us laugh. It will tell you no changes observed, lol. P.S. (edit) Also, many decades ago, I noticed one fact, those who have troubles with articles, be it definite, or indefinite are mostly Russians, maybe Ukraine, smth like that. Edited February 6 by D.Draker
Tripredacus Posted February 6 Posted February 6 The Paris Agreement has always had the same complaint about it, that it was just an agreement and not binding. It was just used as a badge of honor. Many countries joined it but didn't change their operating procedures or used it as an excuse to make money from their citizens. 2
D.Draker Posted February 7 Posted February 7 From what I see with my own eyes, France follows it. For example, I can't drive my BMW R75 in my city 'cause it doesn't meet the new Euro norms, would it be fine in USA? It sucks 'cause I was honouring my grandfather's memories every year with it, I inherited it from him, also it's just a good, robust, manoeuvrable motorcycle, despite being quite heavy, and it saw glorious military usage. Oh, and this German marvel saved me during an accident. I owe my life to it, I wrote about in details some years ago here, on the forum somewhere. 1
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 7 Posted February 7 15 minutes ago, D.Draker said: From what I see with my own eyes, France follows it. Sorry, but no they do not. Every G20 country is FAILING TO MEET THE PARIS AGREEMENT (per a 2021 report called the "Climate Action Tracker (CAT)"). I grant that a lot can happen since 2021, but if France failed in 2021, then France also failed in 2022, 2023, 2024, and now fails in 2025. G20 Countries == 1) Argentina, 2) Australia, 3) Brazil, 4) Canada, 5) China, 6) France, 7) Germany, 8) India, 9) Indonesia, 10) Italy, 11) Japan, 12) Mexico, 13) Russia, 14) Saudi Arabia, 15) South Africa, 16) South Korea, 17) Turkey, 18) United Kingdom, and 19) United States plus the "regional bodies" of 20) The European Union, and 21) The African Union. Yes, this is correct, G20 is not really "twenty". I admit confusion though! Is France "France" ??? Or is France "The European Union" ??? The most-recent "tracker" I can find is September of 2021 - https://climateactiontracker.org/publications/global-update-september-2021/ Where France is doing no better than Chile, the EU, Germany, Japan, Norway, Peru, South Africa, Switzerland, and the USA. This is my confusion - why not list France separate from "The EU" ??? All doing better than countries like Canada, Mexico, China, India, Australia. Which in turn are doing better than Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, and Thailand. But none doing nearly as well as UK, Morocco, Ethiopia, Kenya, Nigeria, Costa Rica, and Nepal. No surprise to anyone, I'm sure, but Australia, Brazil, Indonesia, Mexico, New Zealand, Russia, Singapore, Switzerland and Viet Nam have all failed to lift ambition at all. They have submitted the same or even less ambitious 2030 targets than they had put forward in 2015. If anything, I would put "France" in the same boat as the USA. ie, "France" very likely is doing BETTER than "The EU" but France is just lumped in with the rest of "The EU" !!! The USA has the same thing going on! We are being "lumped in" with CANADA and MEXICO and unless the USA rocks that boat, then the USA only "enables" CANADA and MEXICO to 'hold us back'. Technically, the USA is "doing better" than CANADA and MEXICO. But how many countries OUTSIDE of USA, Canada, and Mexico KNOW THAT ???
Tripredacus Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, D.Draker said: I can't drive my BMW R75 in my city 'cause it doesn't meet the new Euro norms, would it be fine in USA No one can really say. Here you can drive anything you want but it has to pass inspection. I'm sure there are different rules for different things. During the summer you can see vehicles from 80 years ago being driven around. There is also a consideration toward import laws. Some vehicles are illegal to drive here only because they are illegal to import, based on emissions, safety or some other regulation. Two examples are Nissan Skyline GT-R (car from 2 Fast 2 Furious movie) and I seem to recall that Hyundai made a model of Elantra for Europe in the 2010s that got 2-3x the MPG as the US model but was banned for import. 1
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 7 Posted February 7 45 minutes ago, Tripredacus said: Here you can drive anything you want but it has to pass inspection. I'm sure there are different rules for different things. During winter and rain, I do drive something that "passes inspection" (one is 22yrs old, but it does pass "current inspections"). But the other 200 days or so out of 365 per year, I drive vehicles that are EXEMPT from "inspections". Two of them do not even have seat belts and "the law" can NOT force me to install them! At least not in my State of the USA. I do not live in California. Exact State is not really anybody's business, lol. Here in the USA, if you can afford to own a '32 Model A, a '56 Bel Air, or a '68 Fastback, you are EXEMPT from "inspections". None of those are what I drive, BTW, lol. I can pretty much do anything I want to "my vehicles", ranging from 1955 to 1990 then a '07 custom "chopper", without being "beholden" to 'inspections'. BUT... I have to do all the work myself! I cannot so much as even have a muffler installed at a "muffler shop" because the vehicles do not have a catalytic converter. As long as I can keep them on the road, without relying on "professional shops" to do any of the work, then I can pretty much violate any-and-all "EPA Guidelines" and I don't even face any "fines" for driving them. What floors me, as far as that goes, are what I shall call "paycheck to paycheck" folks that drive vehicles with rust and dents all over the place and white plumes of smoke bellowing from the exhaust at idle! Those I wish were FINED for using the same roads as I do. But as far as the EPA is concerned, are they really any different than my no-catalytic-era Fair Weather Rides ???
D.Draker Posted February 7 Posted February 7 11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: During winter and rain, I do drive something that "passes inspection" (one is 22yrs old, but it does pass "current inspections"). But the other 200 days or so out of 365 per year, I drive vehicles that are EXEMPT from "inspections". Two of them do not even have seat belts and "the law" can NOT force me to install them! At least not in my State of the USA. I do not live in California. Exact State is not really anybody's business, lol. Here in the USA, if you can afford to own a '32 Model A, a '56 Bel Air, or a '68 Fastback, you are EXEMPT from "inspections". None of those are what I drive, BTW, lol. I can pretty much do anything I want to "my vehicles", ranging from 1955 to 1990 then a '07 custom "chopper", without being "beholden" to 'inspections'. BUT... I have to do all the work myself! I cannot so much as even have a muffler installed at a "muffler shop" because the vehicles do not have a catalytic converter. As long as I can keep them on the road, without relying on "professional shops" to do any of the work, then I can pretty much violate any-and-all "EPA Guidelines" and I don't even face any "fines" for driving them. What floors me, as far as that goes, are what I shall call "paycheck to paycheck" folks that drive vehicles with rust and dents all over the place and white plumes of smoke bellowing from the exhaust at idle! Those I wish were FINED for using the same roads as I do. But as far as the EPA is concerned, are they really any different than my no-catalytic-era Fair Weather Rides ??? From what you both describe, USA became a much poorer country. My father used to be there quite frequently due to his work, especially in the 80s, early 90s. Poor country = impact on climate, very simple. And you already told us 32618936813 times where you allegedly live, I mean the state. I remember one member called legoofyan, not sure if I spelt correctly, wrote he lived in Texas, but later was caught by Tripredacus, and the location was somewhere in California. I suspect it could be a very similar case, I'm not saying you're lying, no. But your language seems very strange to me. And I spoke to a lot of US citizens, I mean, those that were born there. But they were mostly women and my mil. ex-colleagues, so everything is possible, I guess. But one thing is clear, the US education is following the negative climate changes. 1
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 7 Posted February 7 51 minutes ago, D.Draker said: And you already told us 32618936813 times where you allegedly live Find just ONE and feel free to screencap herein! I do not generally disclose that level of detail online so I do think you have me confused with someone else. I do not disclose what STATE that I live in! Admins/Moderators would be violating ethics to disclose! I really doubt, HIGHLY!, that I have ever disclosed what STATE (out of 50!) that I live in. I live in *the* USA. And I may have even narrowed it down to "midwest" (that's basically 12, 13, or 14 States, depending on which map you ask). Has the USA become a poorer country? I don't really know, to be honest. I have always earned above-average since the age of 21 or so and I do okay. So it's all kind of "relative". My "friends" went one way at 21yrs old, I went another! Hint- Drinking Age here in the US! I DO NOT DRINK AND I DO NOT SMOKE. "Two roads divereged in a yellow wood... I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." ~ Robert Frost What I have noticed over the DECADES is that the USA has become a DRUG ADDICT NATION. And that strains our society much more than other countries! And (to bring it back on-topic), as an AMERICAN CITIZEN, would I prefer our Government spend money on CLIMATE CHANGE ??? Or would I prefer our Government spend money on DRUG ADDICTION of its citizens ??? Because it has become clearer and clearer over the past DECADES is that we can NO LONGER just "throw good money after bad". Climate change dollars = good. To an extent! Preventing this 'once great' nation from becoming more and more and more of nothing but a gigantic CESSPOOL of drug addicts = BETTER. In my not-so-humble don't-drink/don't-smoke POV.
Rod Steel Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 4 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: Has the USA become a poorer country? I don't really know, to be honest. Are you out of your mind? How can you not know about huge poverty in USA? USA have AT LEAST 37 million poor people according to USA Census Bureau (which exclude non-cash factors such as food stamps or medical care or public housing)!!! 37 millions, Carl ! And this is only official numbers which excluding many factors like medical care (how convenient for establishment, by the way, i guess with medical care and housing this numbers would be much higher) ! USA middle class is basically destroyed, which was done intentionally by redistributing wealth to the rich. And impoverish people now radicalized and search for a "simple solution" which explain sudden right-wing shift in USA last years and last elections. 4 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said: I have always earned above-average since the age of 21 or so and I do okay. It's such a baby-boomer phrase. I understand that you provably are from boomer generation, but you have access to internet and you could ask google or YouTube about how your country is doing. I personally abolished idea of moving to America almost a decade ago when i done my research and realized how impoverish USA become after 2008 financial ruin and how situation become worse and worse every year. Let alone that i have (like almost everyone) medical problems, visit to doctor cost in USA hundreds of dollars without insurance and in Ukraine it cost nothing. Appendectomy in USA according to David Pakman cost 27,495 dollars before insurance!!! In Ukraine it's free or almost free. I know that before big war many Americans was medical tourists in Ukraine, but i was shocked to learn recently, that they STILL visiting Ukraine to have access to cheap European level medicine instead of they privatized bankrupting monstrosity machine. You probably never heard about such left leaning YouTube channels like "Secular Talk" or "David Pakman" but i recommend you to watch they several video to learn more about situation with poverty in your country. Wealth Inequality in America Has Never Been Worse. The Middle Class Has Disappeared My Appendectomy If I Didn't Have Health Insurance UN Official Shocked By Extreme Poverty, 3rd World Disease In US Edited February 7 by Rod Steel 1
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 7 Posted February 7 For one, NO!, I am NOT a Boomer! I don't say that to say "I'm not that old", I say that to say that while I am not that old, I see 'that generation' as SPOON-FED GIVE-ME GIVE-ME GIVE-ME "entitled class". And yeah!, "they" say the same about my generation, "they" say the same about the generation behind me, "they" say the same about the generation behind the generation behind me, et cetera. I know a lot of Boomers, "nothing is their fault". Don't get me started, lol... Re: "Has the USA become a poorer country? I don't really know, to be honest." I think you misread what I was trying to say. I do well for myself, I believe in MERIT-BASED CAREERS and have always done well for myself. No "union" lifting me up, I climb and promote and compete and do well. I did well in my 20s. I did well in my 30s. I did well in my 40s. And I'm doing well in my early 50s. I've done better than many around me, the vast majority of my own family included, et cetera. So when I say "I DO NOT KNOW IF THE USA HAS BECOME POORER", it is from the frame of reference that I had 100 friends in my 20s, I did better than 80 of them. I had 100 friends in my 30s, I did better than 80 of them. I had 100 friends in my 40s, I did better than 80 of them. I have 50 friends in my 50s, I am doing better than 40 of them (same exact percentage as 100/80) - but the beer-drinkers and drug-users are STARTING TO DIE OFF! So from my frame of reference, NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN DECADES. I'm doing better than the same exact percentage that I was doing better than in my 20s, 30s, 40s, ... So no, I don't KNOW if the country is poorer today than it was 40 years ago! I'll do some research over the weekend. What I do know is that there are ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS "haves" versus "have nots" and BOTH of the two groups think they are "entitled". So I just try to look out for MYSELF and that has served me well... In comparison to 80% of the people I know now, compared to 80% of the people I knew then... And it will be the same exact 80% a decade from now, just that the numbers will be smaller, but the percentage will be the same, due to DRUG ADDICTIONS killing 'em all off one by one... To *ME*, NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN DECADES. I'm not climbing any higher, but I'm not falling behind into poverty. NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN DECADES. So *NO*, to me, the coutry isn't "poorer". We do have a helluvalot more "dead beats". But the deadbeats that I know, and I know a lot of them, DO NOT THINK OF THEMSELVES AS DEAD BEATS. They think of themselves as "entitled" for MY taxes to pay THEIR subsidized living. Only 90 seconds, you'll get the idea -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC3kBsRpkZQ
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Rod Steel said: USA have AT LEAST 37 million poor people according to USA Census Bureau I fail to see your point. 37 million is just what percentage of total US Population? And is that percentage SMALLER or LARGER than a decade ago? Two decades ago? Three decades ago? That's where I am coming from! 10% of the people I knew three decades ago were "poverty". 10% of the people I knew one decade ago were "poverty". But 10% is 10%. Not POORER. But not RICHER either. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
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