niemand Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Hi greenhillmaniac, Would you be able to reveal your exact HP model (ideally, with a manufacturer's URL)? I'm also considering an HP laptop so knowing if it can handle Win 7 is critical. Obrigado
greenhillmaniac Posted February 10, 2017 Author Posted February 10, 2017 41 minutes ago, niemand said: Hi greenhillmaniac, Would you be able to reveal your exact HP model (ideally, with a manufacturer's URL)? I'm also considering an HP laptop so knowing if it can handle Win 7 is critical. Obrigado Be warned that I haven't been able to successfully install the Intel HDMI drivers on Windows 7. Perhaps with a bit more search it would be possible, but I've changed to Windows 8.1, as it suits my needs a bit better. The laptop model is a HP 15-ay105np, with a custom shop configuration to have 8Gb of DDR4 RAM: http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05326875/?openCLC=true
niemand Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Thanks for the provided information, greenhillmaniac. It's actually quite close to my other laptop's specification. Acer Aspire E5-774G-74CBhttps://www.acer.com/datasheets/2016/4876/E5-774G/NX.GEDEZ.006.htmlhttps://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/support-product/6784?b=1&pn=NX.GEDEZ.006 My HP is below. HP Notebook - 15-ay146nz (Z6L92EA)http://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c05348678 I tried installing Win 7 on the above Acer but without much luck. I'll continue for some more time and then try the HP.
G4600 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 I just wanted to confirm that both v21.20.16.4508 & v21.20.16.4526 are compatible with Kaby Lake iGPU and Windows 7 x64. They work fine for the most part. I found two glitches: 4508 - it has a performance issue with the Cinebench R15 CPU test. 4526 - scaling doesn't work for some resolutions. 2
greenhillmaniac Posted March 14, 2017 Author Posted March 14, 2017 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4012982/discusses-an-issue-in-which-you-receive-a-your-pc-uses-a-processor-tha So this is how they are gonna stop support on newer processors... Artificially make Windows Update not give updates. Gotta say, expected worse
Tripredacus Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 If anyone finds a CPU that makes Windows 10 not able to get updates, be sure to let me know.
greenhillmaniac Posted March 14, 2017 Author Posted March 14, 2017 52 minutes ago, Tripredacus said: If anyone finds a CPU that makes Windows 10 not able to get updates, be sure to let me know. I searched for updates on my Windows 8.1 Kaby Lake laptop this Sunday, and it worked just fine... Maybe they only applied that today.
dencorso Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Here's some old news, updated somewhat (or, at least MS says so...).
Dibya Posted March 15, 2017 Posted March 15, 2017 13 hours ago, Tripredacus said: If anyone finds a CPU that makes Windows 10 not able to get updates, be sure to let me know. I think i know ............................. Any processor with out NX Bit as they cannot run 10 so no way of update
greenhillmaniac Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) Guess we already know how Microsoft is going to block Updates for Kaby Lake and Ryzen owners: with an update (how ironic!) https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4012218/march-2017-preview-of-monthly-quality-rollup-for-windows-7-sp1-and-windows-server-2008-r2-sp1 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4012219/march-2017-preview-of-monthly-quality-rollup-for-windows-8-1-and-windows-server-2012-r2 If we go to Windows 7 and 8.1's update history page, both these March preview updates have one line in common: "Enabled detection of processor generation and hardware support when PC tries to scan or download updates through Windows Update." So, from now on, owners of new CPUs need to only install Security Only updates and stear clear of the Monthly Rollups. EDIT: Once again, Windows 8.0 users are the lucky ones, since Microsoft doesn't give a frick about NT 6.2, they didn't include this "feature" in the March preview update for Server 2012. Edited March 21, 2017 by greenhillmaniac
Tripredacus Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Let us just hope it is only going to effect Windows Update and not the updates themselves. My last Win7 PC I built, I disabled Windows Update straight away. However, some times I did have to install an MSU due to other software requirements. For example, you can install H1Z1 on Windows 7 SP1 RTM x64, but it needs one update to work. They could really put the screws to people by blocking you from installing individual updates on these CPUs.
greenhillmaniac Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 55 minutes ago, Tripredacus said: Let us just hope it is only going to effect Windows Update and not the updates themselves. My last Win7 PC I built, I disabled Windows Update straight away. However, some times I did have to install an MSU due to other software requirements. For example, you can install H1Z1 on Windows 7 SP1 RTM x64, but it needs one update to work. They could really put the screws to people by blocking you from installing individual updates on these CPUs. Can Windows Update packages detect the CPU and block accordingly?
abbodi1406 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Yes, MSU files uses WUA engine however, dism + cab files can pass that 1
Jody Thornton Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 I guess I'm not as up in arms about this one, only because hardware vendors deprecated driver support for Vista and Windows XP, well before their expiry dates (I know CPU blocking might be unprecedented). My question is, will Windows 7 and 8x install on these CPUs without issue? I suppose if that was able to happen, then Microsoft should let the systems run in a compatibility mode of some sort. But I suppose I wonder why can't Microsoft exercise their "subject to change without notice" clause and say "Look guys. We're in a different business climate now. We need to streamline support testing and maximize profit. In doing so, we need to accelerate the deprecation of older systems, so that we have one corporate vision." Besides, since it's their product, can't they do with it as they wish, even by providing limited support based on certain new conditions? I guess, the only reason I'm not so worked up on this, is that I can run Windows 8 on older but still suitable hardware. Not meant to enrage anyone.
alacran Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) Quote KB4012218 and KB4012219 are patches with CPU detection If you recently bought a new PC or assembled one yourself with a new CPU and decided to install Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 on it, you will not be able to update these operating systems. Microsoft is not going to deliver updates for you any more. This was recently announced. A newly released set of patches brings the CPU detection feature to Windows 7 and Windows 8.1. ttp://winaero.com/blog/kb4012218-kb4012219-patches-cpu-detection/ Both updates will prevent your operating system from downloading and installing updates if you have one of the following CPUs: Intel seventh (7th)-generation processors (Kaby Lake) or later AMD "Bristol Ridge" (Seventh generation) or newer Qualcomm "8996" alacran Edited April 12, 2017 by alacran
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