Tripredacus

--JorgeA Yes and no. I think it was something in the things they were trained so say by their masters.... but I did give a clue to "who" it was already. One quick answer, if you want a greater debate, post a new thread someplace. Its real simple. Windows is "less secure" because of this: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 If you could find a relative pie-chart that showed % of OS infections, it would likely be on the money.

Well it seems that the UEFI thing was decided back in 2006 as you can read in that KB article. Remember this was even before it was expected that Windows 8 would only have a 64bit and 128bit version. So what ended up happening was that after initial development, the UEFI spec was only to support 64bit. And it turns out the market didn't exactly trend along with the projections, so we now have a situation where hardware supports UEFI 2.3.1 (due to manufacturers getting product out to support Windows 8) and still quite a demand for 32bit OS. And most of that demand is from the Enterprise and ISVs, not so much the consumer market.

boot.wim in Windows XP? I haven't used Windows Defender Offline. It might have a Vista boot.wim instead of a Windows 7 one. If this is the case, you would try using PEIMG to do driver updates.

I can't speak about XP and older OSes. The problem seems to be with the newer Bootmgr introduced with Vista/2008. Here is some reading. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/930061

These quotes and responses were from linked articles. This is potentially an invalid complaint, as some notebook BIOS will report the empty card reader as the C:, so there a potential for a first time installation to fail, while a reboot and it works. This is because setup would format the hard drive, but fail in assigning the drive letter due to it already being in use, and then installation would fail. But on a reboot, the BIOS would assign the hard drive the letter C: and give the card reader something else. So it is a reasonable assumption that this wasn't the fault of the OS. Think of the average computer user: your relatives. You can easily imagine that there will be millions of Windows 8 users (presuming MS sells that many that is) who won't even know the desktop exists. Ignorance might be bliss for these users, but it will bring a horrible problem... Tech Support. If you've ever done tech support for regular users, you can already see how this is going to be a problem. Now imagine if a user has a problem and they need to do something in Control Panel (or worse, the registry) and they don't have a keyboard or mouse and only have a touch screen like an AIO PC. I know this not only from that type of job experience but also from personal experience. I've recently become the go-to PC tech for a retired fellow in his late 70s. He was a master of IE6 and Outlook Express. Once it became evident that these antiquated programs were becoming a large problem, he requested to change to something more secure. While it may seem trivial to us, his request to change is something maybe he wished he didn't have to do. To switch to Chrome and Thunderbird brought on a wave of mass confusion and plenty of phone calls. Edit: Here is a video that a user posted on Reboot, about a guy who had his dad try out Windows 8 for the first time. Exactly, this point was brought up in a teleconference last week. Its like Vista. But there is another problem with this that is behind the scenes. OEMs have been doing a crap-ton of work to prepare for Windows 8. There are big time differences in the production scenarios for Windows 8 compared to Windows 7. I sometimes wonder if all those man-hours (aka time vs money) is going to be worthwhile compared to how well the product is going to sell. This is partly true. Part of the problem is that Microsoft accepts the stigma that people put on it. They say that the OS is insecure. Take a look at the known fact that Windows gets a lot of viruses from IE or Outlook Express (when it was around). And people point the finger at MS about getting all these viruses, even though their own practices were the cause of their problems. Nevertheless, MS takes the responsibility instead of attempting to inform their userbase. And this led to the UAC. There was no attempt to educate their users, so they put in a system that was designed to help protect Windows from the users. Windows 8 with Metro is no difference. It is another step in protecting the OS from the users. This was already seen originally when the new Visual Studio was to only let you create Metro apps. The idea put forth at ADKFest was that regular desktop programs would cease to exist and there would only be Metro apps. Metro apps are not designed to touch the system files of the OS or the registry which would cut back on viruses or other corruption. This is the same thing as adding UAC IMO.

I am going to have to build an image with the RP, because handloading it off DVD and installing drivers every time is getting old fast.

Tripredacus, So I gather that motherboards with UEFI can't run 32-bit OS's? I didn't know that. --JorgeA Its not so much "can't" its more like "probably won't". As I struggled with getting things figured out about it... I was not able to explain the 95% failure rate of being able to deploy Win7 32bit on them, and the 95% success rate while using 64bit. I've done probably over 50 (or maybe 100) deployments on this new spec and was never able to explain why I wasn't getting a 100% replication of either kind. Intel and the other ODMs I was in contact with didn't really have any idea of what the trouble was. It took me about 2 months to get the "32bit not supported on UEFI" email from Microsoft. While the official line of why Win 8 32bit isn't supported because it can't take advantage of UEFI 2.3.1's features, I'm certain this slight incompatibility also weighs heavily into their decision. Now for the technical reasoning behind this, it has to do with the bootloader. You should be able to deploy 32bit Win8 (or Win7 for that matter) onto a UEFI 2.3.1 spec board as long as you use unattend to only have 1 partition. Its when there is a System Reserved (or similar) partition involved that Windows does a kabooom on this hardware spec. It was really annoying when I didn't have the answer, but now that I do we just adapt to it. What else can you do?

I've modified your topic title. Since this is not an RT7lite forum, you'll either need to put RT7 in your topic title or post your questions in their topic.

Its not so dreaded. Did you already set up a share on your Win7 PC and create an account to log in with?

Yes I've heard of this before... I think even seen it happen with Vista before. I don't think I've tried to use the ODD after having installed Windows 8 yet. I plan on doing some more development for Win8 on Monday so maybe I can try it if I remember. I am only dealing with Windows 8 RP x64 tho, not touching 32bit version at all I don't think.

32bit Windows 8 is likely going to be a legacy OS for people to use on older hardware. Of all the new hardware I am testing this month: 2 AMD boards 10 Intel boards 4 notebooks All of them except 1 have UEFI 2.3.1. So in this case, 32bit Windows (7 or even 8) is not supported on those devices. So because many manufacturers are using the new spec, I forsee that most Windows 8 in the market will be 64bit, or tablets which will have RT for ARM. And even the tablets will be from few manufacturers, since there is some limiter in the channel for who can sell ARM based products for some reason.

I'm thinking you'll have to code something up to run at FirstLogonCommands or SetupComplete.cmd. How to deploy from a website using JavaScript [ MSDN ] However, it looks like you should be able to use AutoIT, VBScript or some other language to install it using the API call msAddTrackingProtectionList.

Yes you can use WSUS which will let you manage what updates your clients receive. You can even set up different groups of types to add computers into, say if you want managers to get different updates than secretaries or whatever you think of. But is this an Unattend question?

Ha great. Yes I know about that, but Win8 seems to pop open those file contents less than a second after inserting the key. The same key takes 5 seconds or so to open on Win7. Although... I would say that Win98 can use a USB key just as fast as Win8... Oh the other thing I like... Event Viewer seems to be worlds faster.

That strange wallpaper used in those shots certainly doesn't help.

oh there was... I have a suspicion that "the OP" is a spammer that never came back. Well I can't prove it since I wasn't the one to remove the info from the profile page.

Get ready to open your wallet!

Maybe our approaches are different. For every final "gold" image I create, I also create a duplicate image that is in audit mode and save that too. This approach basically makes it so I don't ever have to go over the "2" syspreps.

Well that is the XP versioning. The Windows 7 one already has a 5 digit version number as opposed to the (256) 3 in your example. My netbook doesn't seem to have it. It has v7.5.7601.17514 from January 24, 2012.... although the file date that appears in Explorer is 2010... I don't see an update for WUA in the updates list there. Anyways, what is the problem you are having? You left that part out of your post.

The only time I've seen that is when you put the PC to hibernate, then swap the HDD and wake it up. I didn't ever see it at any other time of boot or installation.

Thanks for this great read. It has brought me some inspiration:

Can you get in from Safe Mode? You may have a corrupt profile.

Well, when a computer goes to sleep it does not turn off. You are thinking about hibernate, which turns the PC "off" when it "sleeps." There are a bunch of things that can keep a computer awake. Take a look at the power settings and advanced options on some of the devices in device manager, such as USB and NIC. I don't have an exact answer as I don't use this function.

What's different about the way Win8 handles USB keys? --JorgeA Opens right away and doesn't keep prompting me to scan them. I use these USB keys multiple times a day and all that time wasted waiting for the dirs to open adds up.

Thats one thing that is holding me back. But here I sit using my Win7 PC all day and sometimes wish it handled some things like Win8 does, such as USB keys.